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| Aries |
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 Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:55 pm
adamcjd10 ...well DUH it was aeirs! Two things. One is why do you believe this? And two is could you spell her name right?
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:46 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. RanmaxHikaru soadshuyin RanmaxHikaru .[.pink.spider.]. RanmaxHikaru Maybe rofl Now he's got a mother (Aeris) a sister (Tifa) and I guess Zack can be his father or brother. Ahahahahahahahahah rofl Who knows maybe Cloud doesn’t love any of them maybe he just liked them both a lot as friends. I just think he loved Tifa and they were suppose be the cannon couple but really either way you put it, it will never be proven unless Nojima makes a public statement or something, which will probably never happen.
cloud didnt really love her as a mother
because when he said 'mother?'
aerith replied by just laughing and joking around
because if she knew that Cloud was serious and that he loved her like a mother
then she wouldn't have joked around she would've mostly like said something like 'oh I see' and just smilied
I say this because once in FF7 if you reply that tifa is your girlfriend
she just replies sweetly and says 'oh'Aeris might have taken it as a joke but I didn't see Cloud laughing. Cloud went into the life stream, felt Aeris's presents, and called her mother. Cloud looked pretty serous to me not to mention that he wasn't exactly in the position to be joking around. Also I think Aeris calling him a big kid makes it clear that she has excepted the fact that Cloud could never be with her and so has let go of her romantic love and now watches over him like a mother figure. It also seems this way at the end of "The Madden Who Travels the Plaint." But all in all Aeris's joking can be taken either way but not Clouds remark. Ill post my view of Cloud calling Aeris "mother" now. His mother was someone he could open up to and just talk to, even if it meant she had to do all the prying. This can be determined by the scene in Kalm alone as we see Clouds mother asking questions and such and of course encouraging Cloud to get a girlfriend, preferably older. In this little scene, we can also determine that Cloud and his mother are very close and she truly does care for his wellbeing. Now, we can skip right ahead to the fated death scene of Cloud in AC, and as he ascends into the light, he feels a familiar and soothing touch. Easily mistakable for a mothers touch. He really just spouted mother out of instinct since the touch felt so normal to him. He didnt realise it was Aeris until she actually spoke in response. Clouds remark wasnt said because it was Aeris, it was said because that was the first thing that came to his mind when he felt her presence and touch. Exactly Aeris reminds Cloud a lot of his mother and so when he felt Aeris's presents in the life stream he instinctively said mother because Aeris reminds him of his real mother.
its not Aerith, herself that reminds Cloud of his mother
its her presense, because of her nurturing personality
so he isnt saying that he loves her like a mother
its more of how she is, thats the first thing that he thought of
But, despite whether he saw her as a Mother figure or not, I still believe Cloud and Tifa. :/ I listed why already xP
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:54 pm
cloud wouldve chosen aeris if sephiroth hadnt killed her...
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:17 am
i think that his love for aeris was only his feeling from zach, cause he was basically living for zach and that was his girlfriend, he loves tifa and will protect her at all costs
isn't weird that yuffie was the only real female character in dirge of cerberus
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:44 am
I would have to say Aeris I always thought he seems to like Tifa more in a brotherly manner and well he and Yuffie's personalitys clash alot
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Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:45 pm
In my opinion it would efinately have to be Aeris.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:04 am
Aeris was the wholesome girl you take to the Golden Saucer...
Tifa was the babe he makes love to the night before they assault the Northern Crater...
I'm sure they both had a special place in Cloud's Schizo mind! exclaim
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:45 am
From my amateur analysis of FFVII and FFVIIAC, I'd have to say Aerith. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so cut up over her death, even if he blamed himself.
Cloud, imnsho, is more like Vincent in AC, brooding over his perceived 'sins'. That level of guilt would only come from someone important had died
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:49 am
Majin Dawnwind From my amateur analysis of FFVII and FFVIIAC, I'd have to say Aerith. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so cut up over her death, even if he blamed himself. Cloud, imnsho, is more like Vincent in AC, brooding over his perceived 'sins'. That level of guilt would only come from someone important had died But it wasnt just Aeris he was guilty about, it was Zack as well.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:28 am
soadshuyin Majin Dawnwind From my amateur analysis of FFVII and FFVIIAC, I'd have to say Aerith. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so cut up over her death, even if he blamed himself. Cloud, imnsho, is more like Vincent in AC, brooding over his perceived 'sins'. That level of guilt would only come from someone important had died But it wasnt just Aeris he was guilty about, it was Zack as well. true, forgot about that.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:16 pm
Majin Dawnwind soadshuyin Majin Dawnwind From my amateur analysis of FFVII and FFVIIAC, I'd have to say Aerith. Otherwise he wouldn't have been so cut up over her death, even if he blamed himself. Cloud, imnsho, is more like Vincent in AC, brooding over his perceived 'sins'. That level of guilt would only come from someone important had died But it wasnt just Aeris he was guilty about, it was Zack as well. true, forgot about that. of course he feels guilty about zack
but when you look at it he deals with zack differently than with aerith
and he only talks to aerith even though that zack is there
no?
not to mention what is most important to cloud...
what else...
to prove that Cloud does talk differently to aerith and tifa
read this quote
"But, I'm-- I mean-- we're here for you, right?"
[he said this to aerith at cosmo canyon]
what does that tell you? alot of things
for one did cloud ever try to comfort tifa in anyway like this?
no. not that I can recall
next why does cloud suddenly try to say 'we'?
maybe because he was embarrased and he didnt want to show that he treated aerith differently than anyone else. and he was embarrased because he never knew he was capable of comforting anyone
until after meeting Aerith
and Cloud was starting to change for the better because of Aerith
she gave him strength both to fight physical and emotional conflicts
throughout ffvii and ac
Aerith was the only who really taught Cloud how to care for someone
and as I said he was changing for the better
from a cold jerk to the hero
but when he loses Aerith
we see that he slowly becomes cold again[in ac] and secludes himself from the rest of the world, until he's comforted by Aerith
then we see Cloud's genuine smile, a loving smile
now to end my rant I want to say this
I am not against people moving on
and I am not against Cloud moving on
woah didnt think I'd say that right? xd
but I'm not done
Cloud can move on, and I agree with that
but I'm not saying that he will
because from evidence I've seen I dont see tifa and cloud together or in love
and even if someone, Cloud or anyone else, does move on that doesnt mean that they wont love the one they've lost
for example:
tidus and yuna: say tidus never came back, are going to try and tell me that yuna will move on with brother and never think of tidus again? no
if tidus didnt come back, there is a big possiblity that in the future she could've ended up with brother since he does love her[much like tifa does for Cloud] and tidus is gone[like aerith]. but my point is even if she did move on that doesnt mean that she wouldn't love tidus anymore. because 'they are connected' and there will always be a part of yuna that loves someone
because if you truly love someone death wont change anything
'ya I'm not alone'
sound familiar? Cloud says that at the ending of AC[no duh]
that statement right there proves my point
that if Cloud does in time move on with Tifa Yuffie Barret or whoever!
he is not alone, he will always have aerith with him, he will always love her
and so I think that, that is the answer for this thread
if Cloud does move on, he will always love aerith
but ya if you are waiting for this I'll say it now : D
this is my interpretation
happy? not fact my opinion
although I think that there relationship is quite obvious
you are entitled to your opinion
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:56 pm
The example using Brother (or Aniki, whatever one wants to call him) from Final Fantasy X might not be too good, since technically they're cousins, where as Cloud and Tifa have little relation at all. Brother's a bit on the quirky and wierd side, and tends to exaggerate things, and his admiration for Yuna is, although romantic at times, seems more like a form of idolization. Then again, it could just be the way I percieve the two's interaction, because Yuna is rather oblivious (or purposefully ignorant) of his feelings in that sense.
As for what Cloud holds to be most important, he hold's all of those dear to him, not just Aerith or Tifa, but all his friends, close to his heart. He'd lost Zack before due to weakness (although in his situation, one can not blame him), and then he lost Aerith (which is again, not his fault). Like someone mentioned before, Cloud and his guilt over their deaths is very similar to Vincent and his guilt over Lucrecia and Sephiroth. They both feel guilty because they think that their lack of action caused these horrible things to happen to the ones they cared about, loved even.
However, Aerith was not the only person to teach Cloud about love, or how to open up. Avalanche as a whole helped him to open up more as a person, showing him friendship and an undying loyalty unlike any other he'd ever experienced. If you recall, Cloud didn't have any friends (if he did, he didn't have many) as a child, and was treated by many of the other boys his age as an outcast of sorts. When he joined the Shinra military, he was just a meat shield for the more important members of the organization, and expendable unit.
The first change in this occured when Zack, a first class Soldier, befriended him. After Nibelheim suffered it's ill fate, one can assume that the two became even better friends, since both were locked in Mako tubes during this time. After the escape and Zack's untimely demise, Cloud is angry at himself for not being able to do anything for his (as far as the game let us know) only friend. This guilt was considerably magnified when Aerith was lost to Sephiroth's blade.
Before he really began to see Avalanche as more than a job opportunity, Cloud was rather distant towards people. As a child, he had no reall friends, and thus his social skills were rather lacking. I do believe that Aerith played a great role in helping to bring Cloud out of his shell, but even then, the reason he probably still doens't comfort Tifa or any other member of the group is not because he doesn't love them, but because he is rather 'new' to the whole concept of showing his feelings, or letting others know that he cares for them.
I can use myself as an example in this case. Although I did have friends growing up, I was never an open person about how I felt. Thus, when my friends would begin to cry or show that they were upset, I had no idea what to do. I didn't hug them, because it seemed to personal, and I didn't say anything, because I didn't know what to say. Cloud probably has similar problems in that regard, since he was rarely given the opportunity to comfort a loved one.
After Aerith's death, the guilt again settles in, and then he feels like he's responsible for the deaths of two people he cares deeply about (although how deeply is what we're debating here, at least for Aerith razz ). Guilt can do a lot of things to you, even change how you normally might behave or live your life. Vincent is a very good example. sweatdrop Cloud, after the death of Aerith, is probably slowly thinking that he isn't capable of protecting those he cares about, and this little voice that tells him this is probably growing stronger and stronger the more he dwells on the subject.
In Advent Children, Cloud is avoiding ALL of his friends. Not just Tifa, Marlene, or Denzel, but the whole group. This does not mean that he does not love Tifa, whether it be as a friend or as a lover. Cloud is basically just scared that, if he hangs around and something happens, then he won't be able to do anything to help them, since that's what happened the last two times he was with someone he cared about. The Geostigma only made things worse.
As for the smile at the end of Advent Children, I have not ever seen it as a smile of love. What Aerith says, before he smiles, is "Daijobu, ne," Which basically means "Everything is alright now, right?" Cloud smiles in response, becuase yes, everything is alright now. The burden that had been resting on his shoulders, the guilt he felt for two deaths that weren't his fault, has finally been lifted, so now he can finally LIVE.
The only reason Cloud doesn't talk to Zack is because unlike Aerith, Zack can't really talk back all that well and easy after going to the Lifestream. He's not a Cetra like Aerith, so he probably doesn't have that ability. That, or he just let Aerith do the talking, since she's probably better at it anyways. razz
Did Cloud really love Aerith? Quite possibly. Does he love Tifa? Also quite possible, although he doesn't know how to express it. I highly doubt that Cloud will ever forget Aerith. If he loved her, he will probably keep loving her, even if he falls in love with someone else. Cloud is young, and has a whole life ahead of him, so it is very likely that he'll move on. Aerith would NOT want him to mope around over her death just because he loved her. She'd want to see him happy, even if that was with someone else.
Tifa definitely cares for Cloud, and Cloud does care for Tifa, but because they don't show ANYTHING involving the character's relationships in Dirge of Cerberus, we don't really know what the hell happened, except that Cloud's hair is a little longer, and that he is not that reluctant at all anymore to help his friends in need. He's healing and moving on, which is not only good for him, but those around him that care for him.
I can see him with any of the girls, just fine. Then again, I can see him without ANYBODY, and having a strictly platonic relationship with everyone, including Aerith (who, in a sense, does act like the big sister he never had).
I find it cuter to look at Avalanche more as a family than anything else. Especially if you throw Marlene into the mix. xd But I digress, Cloudxany of the Avalanche girls is very possible, even if he never really 'ends up' with any of them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:30 pm
this is simple. cloud love tifa.aerith help his notice tifa and yufie is, well, stupid
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Shinzo Aurelius rolled 20 100-sided dice:
74, 55, 93, 31, 88, 27, 31, 10, 8, 31, 57, 99, 16, 55, 66, 87, 83, 98, 95, 87
Total: 1191 (20-2000)
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:45 pm
what he thought was "crap this sucks. now i cant have two girls hitting on me"
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 11:16 pm
Kastiel_Garnet, please refrain from double posting, since it would be much simpler to just edit your original post to add that last tid bit in. In addition, try to keep your posts a little more relevant. 3nodding
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