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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:49 pm
I...Elv, you remember Hard Love? You recommended it to me a few months ago. While on "Shelf Duty" I came across it, and started reading it. You were right, in a lot of ways. It's similar to, if completely opposite of, my Locker Room Discrepancies.
I read it in the past couple days, and I cried at the end--almost every love I've ever had has been a 'Hard Love'. Mama, the Lovers, even my Heart-Family.... I haven't related to a character set so deeply since Robin Hobb graced the world with her nonology. But it's true, isn't it Elv? It is the kind that heals our hearts. I think that's maybe an oversimplification, but isn't it still so true?
Guys. Maggie, Muse. Tommy, Justin, Nick. All of you should check out this book. It's Hard Love by Ellen Wittlinger. And it's perhaps one of the greatest stories of its kind.
By the way, Elv...I see your comparison of LRD to that a huge compliment. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Love and Vale, -Andrew
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:19 pm
Not to be more negative/critical/realistic than I already am, but why can't people just let others be sad? Missing out isn't just a one way street that simple, heart broken folk try and drive backwards on.
Everyone likes to help, everyone likes to say they're sorry, its like a backwards, forced emotional reaction. It makes them feel normal, more sympathetic, human if you want to push boundaries. The old adage, let sleeping dogs lie, fits well with any situation that doesn't accord any moral obligational stress. Sympathy is like cancer, you can't fully appreciate the pain until you face it. The problem with that philosophy is that once a person gets cancer, they often feel obliged to help others similar to them.
I feel bad too, I know the feeling pretty good. Like Muse said, if he doesn't want to be with you, that's his choice, there's very little you can do about it. Square with it, that's all you can do, good luck with it.
As for Drew and his, yet another, long as hell post, I'll wait for the movie. Just kidding, I may get to that later.
the Lion
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:56 pm
Don't bother. It was about flirtation and I...wasn't feeling myself. Still, the soul of what I had said remains: the two types of clean flirtation (perhaps the human and the divine?) are the pursuit of pleasure and the acknowledgment of affection. Each are personal, but I feel like the latter is far more so.
Can you say oversimplification...?
Seriously though--I want some of you to read Hard Love. Elv, back me up here, please. --- Justin, while I agree that certain sorrows must be borne alone, I disagree that sympathy is anything at all like cancer, except that it brings people together and it must be grown inside the individual, often without immediate notice.
Still, there is a kernel of truth in what you say--you can't force anyone into a relationship with you. And what's more, you shouldn't even if you could. You should have enough self-respect not to want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with you, and enough respect for your partner to accept their feelings.
For me, it's a pretty basic principle--if I annoy you, ignore me, or don't force yourself to be around me. Nothing good ever comes of tolerance without patience, or without perseverance. And as for me, I don't force myself to always be around others who annoy me--its a disservice to myself, and to them, as I am more easily aggravated then. Not to say that you shouldn't try to have patience and be around people who initially bother you--it's always a good experience to expand your horizons. But there's a difference between testing your boundaries and breaking your own spirit.
Huh. Imagine that. Me choosing the middle road.
Love and Vale, -Andrew
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:09 pm
I thought about it and remembered my thoughts at the beginning. I realized that he was my best friend not really my boyfriend. He told me he loved me, so I said it back. It seems like a horrible thing to do, but it worked and we are alright now. I am the one who got hurt a little, not him, so I'm happy with that. We are friends again, I talked to him last night after karate and it was like before we went out, as if it never happened. It did though, so we may be closer for it. In the end I think it was nessesary, so I wouldn't feel guilty for liking other guys when I knew he liked me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:00 pm
...I see. Well, I'm glad everything worked out for you. -Andrew
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:38 pm
I've done terrible things.
In the past, I've lied, become violent, and let my anger get the better of me. These things have all been purged from me one by one. I've been forceful, clingy, and overly flirtatious. And one by one, these things have been buffed out. My anger has become resolve, my forcefulness, strength. My attachment has become more subtle, as has my flirtations. All of me has become more honest, and my tendency towards violence has been replaced by a passionate appeal to peace, patience, and perseverance.
Somehow, I had believed that if I removed these things from myself, they would simply cease. I realize now as I type this, I've ever forgotten the old arrogance, and the developing ambition. Don't you see? These things keep reappearing, if the times are fewer and farther between. Perhaps like weeds, if you cut them back enough, they simply give up.
But, no, these things linger over me like a shadow, and refuse to give up dominion over my life. My heart rejects them fiercely, because it can see a day when they too, fade into the past forever, or else are shone away in tomorrow's light. But not everyone is willing to (or can?) see that--many don't want to, and I can't really blame them. It's hard to look at someone the same after...they've seen such a side of them.
You're probably wondering what the hell I'm talking about, right?
Do you remember Jay? The boy I toyed with in math? Well, I decided I wanted to really get to know him. I think this is the only place I ever really mentioned that he could have grown to have meant something to me. He had the spark, you see. But I flirted with him, often cruelly, although at the time I didn't see it that way. That girl who looked at me should have been my sign, but I was blinded by my own twisted drive for awkwardness.
I repented, but it wasn't enough. The damage had been done. And just as I had to pay for my lies and my vengeances and all of my cruelties, I had to reap what I sowed. So I called him and asked him to hang out this weekend. He said he didn't think he could, and very calmly, I said "Just say no." And he did. "No." It was as if for the first time, I had ever heard him speak, but I also heard something else in that voice. Finality. "No." He said, and a door had shut. I was lifted up and let down at once. I said, "See? A spine is a good thing." I chuckled, and he asked me what I had said. His voice lost its ring, which was fine. "A spine? You know, like vertebrae?" He said uh-huh. I said I'd see him tomorrow, and hung up. I didn't think that was fair of me, but I wasn't thinking about playing fair. I was only honest...wasn't I?
But I thought about it. I tossed it around in my mind, and took a lesson to heart. He had said no because of the way I presented myself. Even though I was honest, he could never know the real me, not that way. It all began to make sense--why the flirtation was unhealthy, why it had all happened the way it had. Clarity came to me, and I realized:
I deserve this pain.
And I let it fill me. A little at first, then more and more. I didn't let any escape as tears or screams. I did let some go as sighs, and the physical ache that started in my chest and moved to my gut and my throat squeezed me tight. But still, I added to the pain. I let myself feel the fullness of the pain, the hurt and the rejection, the loss and the guilt. And when I had held fully the pain that this had caused me, I let it go. I heaved a deep sigh, and began to soothe myself. I stared at the ground until I was sure that I could see the very energy of the earth itself move, and I let my pain slip away through my eyes. I listened to the final birdsongs of the day, and the rustling of leaves that squirrels and lizards and cats bring, and let it out with my ears as I took in the beauty of the day. I smelled the orchid tree's blossoms and breathed the sweet fragrance in deep, and washed the bitterness from my throat with it. Finally, I opened myself to the winds and the air, and felt the breeze gently caressing my skin. I let it massage away the ache from my body, but a twinge was left in my soul. I looked to the setting sun, and the darkening sky, and for a moment, I thought nothing at all. Then I went inside.
I think that might have been the fullest grounding I've ever consciously done. But at the time, I was simply letting go of the chaff and keeping the grain, as it were. I drank deeply into my heart the lessons this provided me. I reaffirmed my heart to becoming better, for a tomorrow that might always hold yesterday's shadow. But I made a note in my heart that I would not be like this anymore. I am better than this. I know that without a doubt.
So...why do I feel so badly? Like...I've overlooked something?
Love and Vale, ~The Ghost of Drew (Masq)/Andrew
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:37 am
Yeah, so I've felt like s*** the past 2 days and still do, I'm actually doing better today, finally got some pepto bismo in my system and it seems to be working. I had a hard time sleeping last night, didn't feel good and had this weird dream about an atomic bomb going off nearby, it's kinda strange, I don't really know what it means. confused sad
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:27 pm
So I finally got my highlights done and heres some pics   yeah, kinda nerdy looking... gonk
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:43 am
I expected you to be a little shorter in the face (as opposed to long), but I tagged everything else almost perfectly. The skin tone, the eyes (especially the eyes), the hair. The type of clothing--it's surprising the things you can learn about someone from extensive posting.... -Andrew
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm
lol... yeah, it's part of the thing i have, gives people a long face.
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Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:22 pm
Lovin the "Room Rulez" poster.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:10 am
Ah yes... heres what it says since you can't really tell.
Room Rulez Authorized personnel only beyond this point.
Do not panic. Excessive sound levels or odors emanating from this room are not life threatening
Do not touch anything Messiness is a sign of genius tidying up could impact negatively on my mental development
Respect the 3 M's My Room, My Space, My Business.
Hours of operations: Never before noon.
Cash donations welcome.
rofl rofl
i picked it up at a music store I've seen it at other stores as well.
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:12 pm
You know, I used to think that I could only be moved by something as passionately once--after the first time, everything lost a little bit of its glow. But...I don't anymore.
It hit me as I was reading Ship of Magic by Robin Hobb, again (for the third time). There's a scene with Wintrow and Vivacia around page 162-165, that moves me still to tears, because they begin to see a part of themselves in the other, and acknowledge their growth, together. I can't help but think This is so beautiful. This is what it was meant to be. I can't help but feel moved. Really stirred.
First, I think that's what true beauty is about. Beauty that transcends age and incident, beauty that rings true even in fiction, beauty that is written on the page but that speaks to the soul.
But what I want to emphasize--the whole purpose of this post--is that that's what makes good writing great. Let's face it--fantasists aren't exactly known for being the best writers (how many fantasies did you read in high school english classes?), insofar as actual semantics and sentence structure/complexity is concerned. Hobb has not only mastered this, but also the more elusive skill of touching the heart. Beware, readers, her characters will grip your heart and never let go--and there will be some wrenching in the process. That's in following with the depth and strength of her characters--in fact, I've said that many of her characters seem more real than many of the people I've met. A big plus in her favor is that none of her characters (excluding two in The Soldier's Son Trilogy) feel like composites. They truly feel like people, and I'm pretty sure everyone can relate to most of the characters--including the villains--of her tales. Even Leavy-Kun, who can be pretty harsh on character portrayal, fell in love with The Fool, cried with FitzChivalry, wept bitter tears with Wintrow and breathed relief with Tintaglia.
But always, always, the point that drives home isn't in the charactersa, but in how they interact. The truth that shines in their onversations is sometimes too large to see fully the first time. Amber's speech on slavery is simple and unerringly correct. Her views on romantic love pull all the heartstrings of this Love Freak. The movement of Althea towards self-reliance and understanding have shocked me by relation, and Malta's same movement has echoed it in another key. Tintaglia's dedication to her race, her 'children', echoes Wintrow's worship of Sa and Ronica's fight first for her husband and then for her country. But Tintaglia's high ambitions also reflect Kennit's darker ones, and Amber's prophecies (that word!), and Wintrow's devotion to his deity foils Sorcor's awe of Kennit, and Selden's of Tintaglia.
Of course, this is all meaningless to you. But still, I have to say, if you do nothing else--if you have washed your hands of fantasy after Harry Potter and Twilight--read Hobb's books. Everyone here especially has something to gain and nothing to lose from this master fantasist.
So what are you waiting for? Read! -Leavaros/Andrew
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Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:29 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:07 pm
*coughs* suck up *coughs* JK! lol um yeah, we're just going to drop everything and go find that book to read it.
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