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 Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:03 pm
Taylor_Highwind Which is why I said: AC was only fanservice for Sephiroth, Cloud, Vincent, and Tifa fans. SE didn't care about ANYONE else. stare
In fact I'm surprised the other characters are even in there... rolleyes They only showed up after the initial screen testing, since the viewers were dissappointed by the lack of fan favorite characters.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:24 pm
i think both were both grate they both had a story line and ac did give a little inside on what happened to clould that he becomes strong once agian
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:28 pm
soadshuyin Spyke the Immortal soadshuyin Spyke the Immortal Yea, Cait Sith's accent bugged me... Cid's did too... And whatever happened to the mog Cait always rode on? That was what really did the fighting. As for the jumping, Cid, Yuffie, and Red XIII had the skill before, cause Cid's a lancer, Yuffie's a ninja, and Red XIII is something like a wolf and they have massive back leg power so they can run fast and jump high. And Vincent never had a 'bulletproof cloak' in FFVII, but he did in AC, and lost it again in DoC. Along with his skin color, that was really confusing. A bulletproof cloak would've come in handy in DoC. Didn't like the fact that Cid really didn't do much of anything in AC and DoC except pilot the Shera. I don't remember him even firing any missiles. I do like, however, the fact that they made the DoC Shera look like the AC Shera. That was a good touch. Materia... If it was big enough for Kadaj to not be able to close a fist around it, there's no way that it would've been small enough to fit into weapons and armor in FFVII. The holes in the blade of the Buster Sword were way to small for the Materia to fit in there. Last thing that caught my eye, the Buster Sword looked thinner and shorter in AC than in FFVII. And why exactly did Cloud stop using it? 1. The mog that Cait Sith always rode on wouldve been far too much work for the team to put together. This is also the reason we dont see more of Red XIII or Cait Sith himself, since their fur was so complicated to create and get to work right. 2. The cloak wasnt bulletproof, that was a form of Limit Break that Vincent used. Youll notice that it is much harder for him to receive damage in both FFVII and in DoC. 3. Cid was a minor character in both AC and DoC. The main characters in AC that were in the first game were Cloud, Tifa, Marlene, and Sephiroth. Vincent was another major part, but all the others were added in pretty much last minute, which created massive delays in releasing the movie itself. And the AC Shera and DoC Shera are the same ship, so itd be expected to be the same model. 4. The Buster Sword was retired by Cloud for use as a grave marker for where Zack died. The blade was the same, it was just dug into the ground. With as long as we had to wait, they should've tried harder. I mean with the graphic design technology we have nowadays, for that wait I would've expected them to be able to make fur work right. Just look at everyone's hair. Similar stuff. And the wolves in the Chronicles of Narnia (I know I'm a dork), their fur worked right and it looked more realistic. Eh, oh well. For right now, I couldn't do any better. Sorry, but I don't remember Vincent having a Limit Break where he still had his cloak and he still had a gun, because if you noticed, he was still shooting while the cloak was spinning, while he was bulletproofing himself and Cloud. And I thought it was fairly easy for him to sustain damage, cause he always got hit when I was playing. Everyone in AC was a minor character except Cloud and Kadaj and the same goes for Vincent in DoC, but you still see everyone else fight except Red XIII and Cid. Red XIII is peaceful usually, so that's understandable, but Cid's a hothead. He can't resist a fight usually. I know the Shera is the same, but I didn't think they'd be able to put the same detail in the DoC Shera as the AC Shera because the graphics are usually different between movies and games, so I thought it would differ more. Zack died in the Mako Reactor in Nibelheim if I'm not mistaken, and at the hands of Sephiroth. The Buster Sword was outside of a city, possibly Nibelheim, but it didn't look like much of a mountain range to me. And to top that off, Nibelheim wasn't a city and Kadaj or Yazoo said "Look, big brother's city..." not big brother's town. The abandonment still doesn't make any sense to me. 1. The entirety of AC was done on a completely new engine. AC was really the test run for their graphic engine that was designed along with the movie. Harder to do something completely new then use pre-rendered technology. The creators put everything they had into this and even more, since the final cut was originally going to only be about an hour with no secondary characters except the ones I had mentioned above plus the trio and Rufus. 2. We never get to see everything that truly happened to Vincent, but he was able to maintain his form while accessing the power of Chaos utilizing the Protomateria, as shown in DoC. And he does get hit, but it just doesnt cause as much damage as it usually would, just like the fight I just mentioned in DoC. 3. Red XIII and Cid do fight. Red XIII goes into battle with Cait Sith on his back and does the larger amount of damage between those two. Cid is in there for a while, jumping around and attempting to impale Bahamut SIN. One specific was he stabbed the thing in the head to save Yuffie from being blasted. 4. Zack didnt die for a good 5 years after the Nibelham incident. He was the reason Cloud got out of the Shinra Manor and the reason they made it to Midgar, even though Zack was shot and killed on the cliff that we see the sword in just outside of Midgar. And since I know this will come up, Edge is the city now instead of Midgar. Edge was built up around Midgar since Midgar was left uninhabitable for the most part due to Meteorfall. Like I said, oh well. I can't do any better, and since it was made on a new system, I don't mind it too much. Vincent didn't even harness the power to control Chaos like that until that battle in DoC. And he didn't have the Protomateria at the time, either. Hojo thought he did, because Rosso took it from him and Hojo/Weiss didn't know it because they were unconcious. He didn't get it back until Shelke retrieved it from Lucrecia inside of Omega and that was after he converted into Chaos entirely. Someone missed some storyline. That was one fight, in a few seconds, and in one out of two things. They didn't do anything in DoC. Red XIII wasn't even in the game until the ending movie and the most violent thing Cid did was punch his own hand. I knew the whole Edge thing, but I still don't know where I missed that storyline gap. It's not like me to miss that much storyline. And Zach died way before FFVII even really started, so why did Cloud use the Buster Sword then? Did he want to avenge Zack by killing Sephiroth with his weapon? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:28 pm
But then they only made action figures of those few characters.
That's not being very fair...
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:29 pm
............................................. heart .
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:29 pm
Spyke the Immortal That was one fight, in a few seconds, and in one out of two things. They didn't do anything in DoC. Red XIII wasn't even in the game until the ending movie and the most violent thing Cid did was punch his own hand.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:31 pm
If you're talking about the Red XIII and Cid thing at the end, yea. If you're talking about them fighting, it was in AC. The fought in AC and did nothing in DoC. Red XIII didn't even talk.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:37 pm
Taylor_Highwind But then they only made action figures of those few characters.
That's not being very fair... not very....
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:38 pm
Vincent was utilizing the Protomateria before without realizing it. He didnt figure out he could use it on command until he was told he could by Lucrecia pretty much. During his fight with Weiss, he took control of the Protomateria even without having it in him. He used the power without having to change form.
It was one fight, but it was one fight that was never going to exist when the movie was being drawn up originally. Better than nothing. And DoC, Cid was acting commander of the airial attack, so he wouldnt be able to fight hands on and leave his airship and yield command like that. He was being responsible and maintaining pressure from the air. Red XIII though, there was no excuse for him not being in there more. That sucked, I wanted him in more.
Zack died mere days before the events of FFVII. If you want to check out how he died, read my sticky. It goes over Cloud mostly, but also very accurately describes how Zack ended up dead.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:41 pm
who agrees with me that ac was good and help exsplane ff7 a little more on what happen to cloud afterward????.....
anyone????.....
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:44 pm
evilchika212 who agrees with me that ac was good and help exsplane ff7 a little more on what happen to cloud afterward????..... anyone????..... What would you like to know?
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:46 pm
Yea, just ask soadshuyin. He knows more about it than me, and I thought I knew more than almost anyone. You know, me and soadshuyin should take a FFVII, AC, DoC quiz to see who really knows more. That'd be interesting, I think. Just have to find one...
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:48 pm
soadshuyin evilchika212 who agrees with me that ac was good and help exsplane ff7 a little more on what happen to cloud afterward????..... anyone????..... What would you like to know? i mean do others think that ac helps tell the strory of ff7
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:52 pm
No. It's just a weird sequel that tried to make sense. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:53 pm
Taylor_Highwind No. It's just a weird sequel that tried to make sense. sweatdrop i thought it told the story on how clould reganed himself
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