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 Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:20 pm
yeah, i love how that arguemnt only matters to them when it supports THEIR view...
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:19 pm
omg.. that is so wrong.. it pisses me off.. highly... How could someone treat a Human Being that way? She gave birth, doesnt choicers see that as living? I thought thats how they worked.. I guess not. Im starting to think you have to live to be 1 or 2 years old before they consider you "alive".
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:30 am
Faeyas Theallpowerfull "I agree however that at all times, she still had the right to request the abortion, whether she was informed of the risks or not. " I wasn't too happy about this quote though... Information is exactly what every person needs. How can you make the choice that you really want if you have no idea what might come out of your choices?
I agree people need information, and faulty information is bad. I was still going along the lines of the assumption that the doc may have lied to her when I made said statement, Thus it being evil, and thus the lady probably not being well informed. However she still made a choice, and choices are good. After all even when we are children our parents allowed us to make small bad choices so that we could learn to never make that choice again.
We all have the right to choice, it is a major part of the right to freedom, The lady thus at all times had the right to make her choice, despite if the doc was lying to her. And if the doc was lying to her, its the doc who should get into trouble, visa vi medical crimes.
I hope that clears up the intent.killing your child is hardly a "small bad choice" and soldier, i guess the life-fairy (the magical creature who sprinkles freshly-born fetuses with life dust to turn them into babies) lags behind sometimes.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:34 pm
Wow...that is so horrible. I hope they go to jail!
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:59 pm
SoldierGirl87 omg.. that is so wrong.. it pisses me off.. highly... How could someone treat a Human Being that way? She gave birth, doesnt choicers see that as living? I thought thats how they worked.. I guess not. Im starting to think you have to live to be 1 or 2 years old before they consider you "alive". 1. I don't think that anyone, Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, thinks that this horrible, sad mess was correctly handled, or justified. 2. As far as I know, the baby most likely died from being very premature, not because someone killed it. 3. Even some of the workers at this clinic thought this mess was horrible, and helped authorities to recover the baby's body. Though other employees did hinder the search. This problem, at least from my point of view (which I know is different from your's) was caused this clinic (and also another clinic by the same owner has had multiple problems) not with abortion in general. Most abortion clinics do not kill born humans, or have such horrible issues. While you might disagree with abortion, this wasn't an abortion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:53 pm
WatersMoon110 1. I don't think that anyone, Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, thinks that this horrible, sad mess was correctly handled, or justified. Actually, there was at least one person in the PCG who said that he thought it was perfectly fine, and he also said that anyone else who supported abortion up until birth should feel the same way. I don't have an exact quote because I try not to go into the PCG, but it was on the first page of ya'lls version of this. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:10 pm
I.Am WatersMoon110 1. I don't think that anyone, Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, thinks that this horrible, sad mess was correctly handled, or justified. Actually, there was at least one person in the PCG who said that he thought it was perfectly fine, and he also said that anyone else who supported abortion up until birth should feel the same way. I don't have an exact quote because I try not to go into the PCG, but it was on the first page of ya'lls version of this. sweatdrop I'll have to check that out, since I made our version of this. No - if you are refering to who I think you are he was just talking about is it ok to have abortions that late in the pregnancy. Unless it is someone I ignored over there (I don't know if people I can't see can post in my guild threads or not...). And even if someone does support abortion until the birth (which I do not), this still wasn't an abortion. This woman gave birth, the baby died (most likely from being premature, I think), and the dead baby was improperly disposed of, as well as the possibility that the birth was also improperly handled.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:19 pm
how ironic though... it is only a problem once the child is born? do you believe in the life fairy?
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:27 am
I believe the only reason that this is coined as an abortion "Gone Wrong" is because the baby was born. How utterly horrible for a child to be born. What is this world coming to, for us to be so cruel as to let a beautiful human being enter the world healthy! (Indeed sarcasm works quite well) Somebody buggered up the entire process. When a women has an abortion, that means she leaves that building no longer pregnant therefore meaning that child is no longer in her body. After she left the clinic, after her "abortion" she was still carrying that child in her body. No abortion was preformed. Why she waited so long to have the abortion done is beyond my comprehension. That baby at her guesstimated 22 weeks of gestation, has already and still is developing a brain, and a nervous system. Therefore meaning that child can, and will feel it's life ending. It has done nothing wrong to anyone, that life has been extinguished before it has even had a change to begin outside of the womb. How someone can treat the "choice" to murder an innocent child, as easily as they treat the choice of what to have for breakfast in the morning sickens me. Honestly, adoption is an option.
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:12 pm
sweetie_girl_wpg I believe the only reason that this is coined as an abortion "Gone Wrong" is because the baby was born. How utterly horrible for a child to be born. What is this world coming to, for us to be so cruel as to let a beautiful human being enter the world healthy! (Indeed sarcasm works quite well) Somebody buggered up the entire process. When a women has an abortion, that means she leaves that building no longer pregnant therefore meaning that child is no longer in her body. After she left the clinic, after her "abortion" she was still carrying that child in her body. No abortion was preformed. Why she waited so long to have the abortion done is beyond my comprehension. That baby at her guesstimated 22 weeks of gestation, has already and still is developing a brain, and a nervous system. Therefore meaning that child can, and will feel it's life ending. It has done nothing wrong to anyone, that life has been extinguished before it has even had a change to begin outside of the womb. How someone can treat the "choice" to murder an innocent child, as easily as they treat the choice of what to have for breakfast in the morning sickens me. Honestly, adoption is an option. I think you need to actually read the article or watch the video on this one. This is not an abortion at all, though it did happen in an abortion clinic. The woman gave birth prematurely, and the baby died. The problem was that the police had some trouble recovering the baby's body. Most likely, even if someone had been able to get the woman going into labor to a hospital or into an abulance, the baby still would have died. She was just at 5 months (according to her, though the baby weighed more than it should have at 22 weeks) which makes it very unlikely that even with the proper equiptment the baby could have been saved. The body was disposed of as though it had been aborted, which was wrong. Not to mention that (though some members of the staff did help the police recover the dead infant) some of the staff hindered police from recovering the body. No matter your feelings on abortion, this was not an abortion. The problems in this case were not caused by abortion, and this abortion clinic (as well as the other Floridia clinic by the same owner) has tons of problems above and beyond whatever problems you may or may not have with a well run abortion clinic.
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:27 pm
first problem- they kill children for no reason but convenience.
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:33 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:31 am
WatersMoon110 sweetie_girl_wpg I believe the only reason that this is coined as an abortion "Gone Wrong" is because the baby was born. How utterly horrible for a child to be born. What is this world coming to, for us to be so cruel as to let a beautiful human being enter the world healthy! (Indeed sarcasm works quite well) Somebody buggered up the entire process. When a women has an abortion, that means she leaves that building no longer pregnant therefore meaning that child is no longer in her body. After she left the clinic, after her "abortion" she was still carrying that child in her body. No abortion was preformed. Why she waited so long to have the abortion done is beyond my comprehension. That baby at her guesstimated 22 weeks of gestation, has already and still is developing a brain, and a nervous system. Therefore meaning that child can, and will feel it's life ending. It has done nothing wrong to anyone, that life has been extinguished before it has even had a change to begin outside of the womb. How someone can treat the "choice" to murder an innocent child, as easily as they treat the choice of what to have for breakfast in the morning sickens me. Honestly, adoption is an option. I think you need to actually read the article or watch the video on this one. This is not an abortion at all, though it did happen in an abortion clinic. The woman gave birth prematurely, and the baby died. The problem was that the police had some trouble recovering the baby's body. Most likely, even if someone had been able to get the woman going into labor to a hospital or into an abulance, the baby still would have died. She was just at 5 months (according to her, though the baby weighed more than it should have at 22 weeks) which makes it very unlikely that even with the proper equiptment the baby could have been saved. The body was disposed of as though it had been aborted, which was wrong. Not to mention that (though some members of the staff did help the police recover the dead infant) some of the staff hindered police from recovering the body. No matter your feelings on abortion, this was not an abortion. The problems in this case were not caused by abortion, and this abortion clinic (as well as the other Floridia clinic by the same owner) has tons of problems above and beyond whatever problems you may or may not have with a well run abortion clinic. 10 bucks says that 'premature birth' was a forced labor. After all, why would the clinic cover up something that was perfectly legal? Really, it just shows their overall feeling toward human life in general. To them, it's still just trash, even if it was a premature baby.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:12 am
even if it is a human life, it's trash, just so long as they can profit from it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 1:33 pm
divineseraph even if it is a human life, it's trash, just so long as they can profit from it. Hey now, to them too, life is precious. If said life is wanted. If it's not, talk2hand it can rot in hell...
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