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Infected Blasphemy

PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:25 pm


LunarSong
Um, I just skimmed through the Tifa 'arguement' above, and just had to say- I agree with the final outcome of it. Tifa is a good and 'bad' person. She's a human character with human mistakes--- she has flaws and she has strong points, which I think makes her such a great character, makes her human. I thought Aeris always had thatr perfect-esque, and I always thought Yuffie was TOO flawed(though I still loved her) but Tifa, she has a perfect balance, in my opinion. Besides her balance of flaws and the like, I always liked Tifa because she always followed what she thought was right, even if she knew the outcome might not be the best, or what she wanted. She was loyal, kind, sincere, spoke her mind, you know? She didn't hold back. I didn't think Tifa was dull or boring at all, because she had many different emotions instead of an apathetic one like Cloud's, or a perfect one like Aeris'. Disliking Tifa for her chest seems to be a huge thing that dislikers of her just seem to throw in there. Are you going to say you hate every girl that was born with a huge chest? O_O; It's not really their fault, it's "Gods", or Nomura's in this case. XD It's not like Tifa flaunts them or anything >_>; I also disagree with the comments made about Tifa's attire and her damage to the enemy--- what does that have to do with her personality? That's like me saying "I hate Aeris because she only deals 12 damage with her stupid pole!" (Which is NOT why I dislike her at ALL. I love Aeris' attire, and I think she's beautiful--- that doesn't make me like her anymore. If the whole world based who they like and dislike based souly on their appearance, this world would be more chaotic than it already is!)
About that number "2" thing, how was Tifa rude to Aeris and Cloud? :/

GAH, I wasn't supposed to make comments about that arguement, sorry. Y_Y I just felt like I had to say something. It's all my opinion, and I respect yours so please don't be mad. If I offended someone, I am very sorry. ^^'

All in all, Tifa is my favorite FFVII girl because she has a good balance of human flaws and human strengths. The way she puts others before herself is truly amazing. She actually wants others to be happy, then just focusing on herself. (Like it was mentioned earlier, she let Aeris flirt with Cloud and didn't bite anyone's head off. She let Cloud act accordingly, let him do whatever he wanted, didn't try to control him.)


I completely agree 3nodding
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:03 pm


If she was a real person i'd totally go for her but shes not crying

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:07 pm


Well, she is cool.
Her personality is really great, but she's not really my favorite character in FF7.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:31 pm


I like her a lil bit, but Aerith was my favorite female character in the game.

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Azure Phoenix

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:58 am


I just wanted to mention... to those who say that "Tifa didn't pick her outfit, Nomura did" ... well, realistically, Tifa didn't pick her lines either. That was thanks to the Squaresoft team, or whoever. So saying that she was "motherly" (a point I saw repeatedly) in combination of blaming her outfit on the artist isn't a very strong argument.

I mean, we're all going under the assumption that Tifa is a real person, right?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:23 am


I don't know why people try to discredit Tifa because of her outfit in the first place. If you look at the other female NPC's in Midgar they are dressed in similar attire. This leads me to believe that her choice of clothing was most likely not her personal choice but more as a way of fitting in with the Midgar population.

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Azure Phoenix

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:37 am


I don't care for her outfit much, aside from the thought that it's extremely impractical, except in a bar setting.
Gosh... I haven't played this game in six years... so I don't remember the NPCs very well, but I don't recall anyone dressing like her... hell, Jessie didn't dress like Tifa.
(Then again, Aeris and Jessie were my two favorite females, so I might be just biased, heh.)
Also, remember choosing to fit in is a personal choice within itself. 3nodding Incidentally, her in-game outfit is just a slum girl's version of her cowgirl outfit, in my opinion.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:50 pm


I like all the characters in FF7 and all for different reasons. Tifa was my second favorite... because she was and still is very interesting for me to do psycho-analysis on. I also like doing so with her fandom and picking apart differences and simularities into such. I only study Tifa herself though in the actual FFVII game. While by name official; AC, LO, etc... fall under my fandom study. This is do to something I call the fandom effect (when an original creation from one event/story is influenced and effected by the fan base). To me this created two very similar but stil different Tifas (or Cloud, Aeris, or whoever your talking about)... Tifa and fandom-Tifa... both official but different slighty. Covered with the event of in story passing time.
Example... I do see in AC fandom-Tifa is very motherly. However, in FFVII this motherly behavior does not really exist, or at least the closest thing I've found would be her simple concern for friends. A trait that can be motherly... but by itself does not make a person motherly. Does this make Tifa a bad characters? Of course not! It really just goes to show how fandom can change even something they enjoy.
"to those who say that "Tifa didn't pick her outfit, Nomura did" ... well, realistically, Tifa didn't pick her lines either." Too true of words. But Tifa does also become essentially what WE make her to be. We are the SE clients and if we want Tifa to emotionally mature from the game, shrink her bust size, cut her hair, or change her clothing (all of such happened upon the making of AC) then so be it. Such is the fate of a fictional character.
This applies to all the characters but since this is a Tifa thread so...
I like the character of Tifa... I prefer the Tifa untouched by fandom because to me that is the genuine Tifa I fell in love with. Fandom Tifa is cool too but I'm just sentimental.

Amylin


RanmaxHikaru

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:53 pm


Azure Phoenix
I don't care for her outfit much, aside from the thought that it's extremely impractical, except in a bar setting.
Gosh... I haven't played this game in six years... so I don't remember the NPCs very well, but I don't recall anyone dressing like her... hell, Jessie didn't dress like Tifa.
(Then again, Aeris and Jessie were my two favorite females, so I might be just biased, heh.)
Also, remember choosing to fit in is a personal choice within itself. 3nodding Incidentally, her in-game outfit is just a slum girl's version of her cowgirl outfit, in my opinion.


About Tifa's clothing; Let me put it this way; I see it as, Tifa made a personal choice to sacrifice a little bit of her dignity so that she could fit in with the other women of Midgar and look good enough to run a successful bar, so that Avalanche would have a good cover to hid in while they made plans. Why do I say this? Because Tifa, being such a shy character, doesn't seem like someone who would want to be wearing something like that by choice. Also lets face it the only real problem people have with her outfit is her skirt, and any guy that ever got to see Tifa's underwear was probably getting a foot in his face anyway. Oh and Jessie for the most part was dressed in male looking attire.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:07 am


Amylin
I like all the characters in FF7 and all for different reasons. Tifa was my second favorite... because she was and still is very interesting for me to do psycho-analysis on. I also like doing so with her fandom and picking apart differences and simularities into such. I only study Tifa herself though in the actual FFVII game. While by name official; AC, LO, etc... fall under my fandom study. This is do to something I call the fandom effect (when an original creation from one event/story is influenced and effected by the fan base). To me this created two very similar but stil different Tifas (or Cloud, Aeris, or whoever your talking about)... Tifa and fandom-Tifa... both official but different slighty. Covered with the event of in story passing time.
Example... I do see in AC fandom-Tifa is very motherly. However, in FFVII this motherly behavior does not really exist, or at least the closest thing I've found would be her simple concern for friends. A trait that can be motherly... but by itself does not make a person motherly. Does this make Tifa a bad characters? Of course not! It really just goes to show how fandom can change even something they enjoy.
"to those who say that "Tifa didn't pick her outfit, Nomura did" ... well, realistically, Tifa didn't pick her lines either." Too true of words. But Tifa does also become essentially what WE make her to be. We are the SE clients and if we want Tifa to emotionally mature from the game, shrink her bust size, cut her hair, or change her clothing (all of such happened upon the making of AC) then so be it. Such is the fate of a fictional character.
This applies to all the characters but since this is a Tifa thread so...
I like the character of Tifa... I prefer the Tifa untouched by fandom because to me that is the genuine Tifa I fell in love with. Fandom Tifa is cool too but I'm just sentimental.


I just have one question; How do you know that it's fandome that had changed the character and not the creator merely trying to portray a sense of maturity?

RanmaxHikaru

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Azure Phoenix

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:20 am


I still don't see it your way, as I recall often mistaking female NPCs as males. (Seamstress at Wall Market, anyone?) As a child, Tifa wore a short dress; as a teenager, Tifa wore a short skirt. I think it's natural that she'll carry on the style into her early adulthood.
I find it a bit contradicting to say that she's shy yet will stomp on someone's face in if they look at her the wrong way. There's a certain degree of confidence a girl needs for that, don't you think?

But I'll just agree to disagree, as you're very adamant about it and it seems like you're blocking out my points anyway... Regardless, I don't like getting into thought provoking conversations about video game characters much.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:41 am


RanmaxHikaru
I just have one question; How do you know that it's fandome that had changed the character and not the creator merely trying to portray a sense of maturity?

Quite possibly it could have been both. The thing is while watching the Tifa fandom rave before the release of AC I did note a cry from both Tifa and non-Tifa fans alike to emotionallly mature the character. From people whom support Clifa (please remember I'm working off generalizations from more than a year ago... not individuals) wanted Tifa to emotionally mature so that the pairing could be more stable. For people who liked Tifa simply because they liked the character they wanted the character to be emotionally stronger so she could live more happily. And even for Tifa-bashers... (I do realize most people hate Tifa because she was Aeris' foil and visa versa)... one big point they did not like about Tifa was her emotional instablity.
So, my guess, either way if the creator's wanted to emotionally mature Tifa in the first place then it was a win-win situation. The thing is we really can't rule either way because there WAS a demand to mature Tifa and the demand was met... and to make it really interesting I know of many Tifa-bashers that became Tifa fans after AC. Now, had there not been a demand for it and Tifa still have matured SE would be getting slack for changing the character. Also, nothing was changed about Tifa that wasn't called for in the fandom.
It works the same with Vincent... people refuse to acknowledge this interview statement "Vincent serves mostly as a representation of what Cloud would become if he let his grief consume him." Vincent is a great character just like Tifa... but do you think Vincent would have still been brought out of the optional character shadow if there wasn't a fan-base to do so? Or would Cloud and Aeris have appeared together in so many other games if there had not been a fan-base for it? Hell, if there wasn't a fan-base for it, AC could have completely gotten away with not bringing Sephiroth back!
Like I said, both original Tifa and fandom-Tifa are great characters but when talking ANY character you have to keep in mind the fandom can change anything. Tifa in the game is the only pure Tifa... untouched by outside influence.

Amylin


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:00 pm


Azure Phoenix
I just wanted to mention... to those who say that "Tifa didn't pick her outfit, Nomura did" ... well, realistically, Tifa didn't pick her lines either. That was thanks to the Squaresoft team, or whoever. So saying that she was "motherly" (a point I saw repeatedly) in combination of blaming her outfit on the artist isn't a very strong argument.

I mean, we're all going under the assumption that Tifa is a real person, right?


>>then there is really no reason to hate or like a character at all if everything they do/say/look are up to the person who created them.....every arguments against tifa and every defense for tifa is nulled with the point of "it's not tifa, it's squoresoft/nomura" .....just like with any other character and i will use aerith/aeris as an example (because for some reason people just rivals between the two)...aeris/aerith isn't better/worse than tifa: "it's not aeris/aerith, it's squaresoft/nomura".............but that is not my argument/opinion, it is my rebuttal......

>>>the reason why we take the character's appearance and words as if the character had chosen for himself/herself to is because it connects us with the character as a "person" with self personality and traits and flaws and not some animated character controlled by his/her creator.....with all that said: I'm pro-tifa; the way she looks, what she says, and what she do defines her as tifa for me, even if what she looks/says/do are "flawed" as some people say, it really doesn't matter to me, she's tifa and i like her for being tifa
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:36 pm


not to be rude, crude or obscene, but when i think of tifa, yes she is very compassionate, but squaresoft sure gave her "full features." lol think about it.

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Mutsumi Sanada

PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:39 pm


I thought Tifa was a great character. But then I liked almost all of the characters in FF7. She was a strong spirited person.
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