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It doesn't take skill to take up a trash can lid and bash someone in the face with it. It doesn't take skill to poke someones eye out. It doesn't take skill to bite. It doesn't take skill to kick someone in the groin (but it does help if you have proper kicking mechanics). If biting, and poking (gouging) took skill, think of how many people would have died as children.





It's true. Fighting with all you can is smart, but sometimes, groin shots won't work. And I doubt that you'll be able gouge at eyes all the time. Same with biting. Why do you think they have punching, kicking, and grappling? To compliment whatever else you have to work with.

But you can't always depend on them. Some people will shrug it off, some won't. It depends on who you're using it on.

Again, you are mistaken. Everyone seems to be taking Soul Fighter's comment the wrong way. He said that TRAINING for dirty fighting is useless, not "Dirty fighting is useless". And it is, unless you've had reconstructive jaw surgery, and need to learn how to bite again.

Well, duh.

Would you consider training "dirty techniques" stupid and uinessesary if you fought a martial artist that blocked your kick at his groin, your attack at his throat and eyes how are you to respond if you haven't trained it in this case if something like that did you happen you would me more prepared and have a better chance at getting these strikes/tatics to work more efficently

I don't believe there is such a thing as a dirty technique these areas are just targets like any other place on the body. The point I am trying to make is that I have ran across a few who refuse to attack these placese in a real fight. I know these areas are targets in Karate and I know Tae Kwon Do uses them. I am not saying people should focus on learning to hit at these places just that I have heard more than one person say that it was dirty or underhanded to use them.

There is no technique that I have ever been taught that was used only for hiting the groin or attacking the eyes. My main point is that some don't train these things at all or they refuse to ever use them. In a fight where my life is on the line or some one elsess is I will do what ever it takes to end that fight fast if that means crushing a guys testicals and clawing his eyes out so be it.

I am in no way saying that I am going to focus on that only that if it came to it or the opportunity came up I wouldent hold back. I had a guy say to me that I fought dirty after kicking him in the knee. Are you going to stop in a fight and cry about some body hiting you wile your down.

And my point is that training to kick someone in the groin, gouges, and the like is useless, since everyone has the ability to perform those (dirty if you will) techniques from birth. So...again, why relearn this crap? And what is so difficult and technical about all of this stuff?

I study one of the prettiest (read: wussiest, according to many) martial arts, and there are plenty of groin strikes, even in the forms. They try to call it something else, but eventually they do have to explain what you're supposedly doing to the invisible man.

However, in sparring sessions there do need to be limits. I take no issue with leg sweeps, etc. Trying to kick out someone's knee, however, must be left for "real" fights, as should throat strikes - at least any with follow-through (in which case it's easiest to just keep them out altogether - sometimes your opponent moves unpredictably, and accidents are better if they don't leave anyone crippled/dead). Limits must always be set to correspond to the level of threat involved. Permanent damage has no place among friends and fellow students.

On the street, now, the first thing I'd be aiming for is a knee. Being a girl, most guys would expect me to aim for the crotch first - it's a typical girly reaction - so they'd either be blocking it or braced for the blow. Therefore, I opt for Target of Choice #2: Knee. As the good book (Kabuki: Circle of Blood) says, "If your opponent cannot stand, he cannot fight." Nor can he chase your arse as you haul tuchus to a safe place and call the police. And, if he's armed (god forbid), it's also more difficult to aim while clutching a ruined knee and sobbing. Remember kids, most aggressors don't actually expect to be hurt in an encounter - they look for an easy victim. Therefore, any real injury really throws them.

As corollary to this, if you're actually ever involved in a street fight, chances are you did something wrong. The two most valuable things a martial artist learns are: 1) How not to act like a potential victim, and 2) How not to act like an irritating a** in need of a beatdown.