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 Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:13 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Say I spend $300 on three copies of one card that makes an FTK/OTK with four months left before the new banlist. With about seventeen weeks left, let's assume I have seventeen tournaments. Those tournaments cost me $5 to enter. Lifting my costs to $385. Let's add that I spend $10 every two weeks on gas to get to and from said tournaments. That raises my costs to $550. Now say I win every single tournament because of my FTK/OTK and get 5 packs each time I do so. Each pack is worth $4. 17*5*4 = $340. Eventually I'll be pulling cards worth more than $20, the total amount for each top prize. From those expensive cards, I shark online trades and end up getting a binder worth about $850. Meaning, I just profited about $300 over a four month period. I then sell that binder for $1000 as a bulk deal on eBay to some idiots who don't realize the banlist is coming. Not to mention selling the cards I just bought for $300 for $250 due to eventual market drop. So, I'll get back $1250 after spending $550. $700 profit? I think that's smart. thats IF you win. and arent cards put directly on the list if there crazy enough? (i dont keep up with when cards are added.) Emergency bans have only happened TWICE. TWICE. Cyber Stein was the first and Dimension Fusion and Dark Magician of Chaos were the second. Otherwise new ban lists occur every six months. September 1st and March 1st. If I don't win, I'll likely get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. Point is, over 17 tournaments I will likely obtain something and make a profit before last second selling out the $300 cards for a fraction less than the original $300 and profit with whatever else I've obtained. It's not that hard to understand.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:14 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Say I spend $300 on three copies of one card that makes an FTK/OTK with four months left before the new banlist. With about seventeen weeks left, let's assume I have seventeen tournaments. Those tournaments cost me $5 to enter. Lifting my costs to $385. Let's add that I spend $10 every two weeks on gas to get to and from said tournaments. That raises my costs to $550. Now say I win every single tournament because of my FTK/OTK and get 5 packs each time I do so. Each pack is worth $4. 17*5*4 = $340. Eventually I'll be pulling cards worth more than $20, the total amount for each top prize. From those expensive cards, I shark online trades and end up getting a binder worth about $850. Meaning, I just profited about $300 over a four month period. I then sell that binder for $1000 as a bulk deal on eBay to some idiots who don't realize the banlist is coming. Not to mention selling the cards I just bought for $300 for $250 due to eventual market drop. So, I'll get back $1250 after spending $550. $700 profit? I think that's smart. thats IF you win. and arent cards put directly on the list if there crazy enough? (i dont keep up with when cards are added.) You should leave now. I'm sorry but if you're arguing the banlist and don't even know when it's updated; you need to shut the hell and leave the card games to the men.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:15 pm
armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE Well they keep coming out with cards. So to prevent this from happening they could stop making such bad a** cards. But they don't. So my logic works in the end. Maybe not for cards out not but for them in the future. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR. Of course, the R&D department of Konami really care that much right? If they see an OTK/FTK possibility, they may nerf a card idea, or they could make it a secret rare so people buy more packs so they can run the OTK/FTK. Then they'll limit it later to keep players playing. Marketing Priorities > Game Development Priorities right make it a secret rare so everyone will buy this card pack to get the card that they wont be able to use cause it will be banned. doesn't make much sense to me. you say i need to think. sounds like you need to think to me It's a basic business tactic really. Here I'll even explain using the classic film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate FactorySo in the film Wonka released unto the earth five "Golden Tickets" that would allow five lucky people and a guest to tour his factory. Five! Now think that's five tickets for upwards of 1,000,000,000 Wonka bars. Now think in the film did this stop people from buying the candy? It did not. Starting to see the point? Now apply this logic to something like Pot of Duality. It's what 1 in five to six boxes. Has this stopped people from buying? Nope, in fact people are buying more to get these Pots as they are less common. Create something people will desire, then only release a small amount of them. As I said it's a basic business tactic that companies around the world implement. Does this help explain why they make secret rares and the like. well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Now I hope you don't feel this as an attack, but if someone buys into a card they want without knowing it's banlist status, maybe they shouldn't be spending mass amounts of money on a card game. Not to mention that sometimes when it's created a card is fine. (See Rescue Cat) It's only later that it becomes broken. So you have to consider that while someone may be pissed that a card is banned later on, Konami really doesn't plan ahead and doesn't really care if the player base it mad. He did almost kill like five of them though. o i dont see it as an attack. your actually the most civil of them all ide say. and yea i see what your saying but i still dont see why these cards are banned still sorry.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:17 pm
armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE Grumpy Giygas SOLIDNSNAKE well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Say I spend $300 on three copies of one card that makes an FTK/OTK with four months left before the new banlist. With about seventeen weeks left, let's assume I have seventeen tournaments. Those tournaments cost me $5 to enter. Lifting my costs to $385. Let's add that I spend $10 every two weeks on gas to get to and from said tournaments. That raises my costs to $550. Now say I win every single tournament because of my FTK/OTK and get 5 packs each time I do so. Each pack is worth $4. 17*5*4 = $340. Eventually I'll be pulling cards worth more than $20, the total amount for each top prize. From those expensive cards, I shark online trades and end up getting a binder worth about $850. Meaning, I just profited about $300 over a four month period. I then sell that binder for $1000 as a bulk deal on eBay to some idiots who don't realize the banlist is coming. Not to mention selling the cards I just bought for $300 for $250 due to eventual market drop. So, I'll get back $1250 after spending $550. $700 profit? I think that's smart. thats IF you win. and arent cards put directly on the list if there crazy enough? (i dont keep up with when cards are added.) You should leave now. I'm sorry but if you're arguing the banlist and don't even know when it's updated; you need to shut the hell and leave the card games to the men. i can argue that i dont think its right to ban cards. someones right to argue whether a card should or shouldnt be banned shouldnt be effected if they dont know when the list is updated
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:19 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE right make it a secret rare so everyone will buy this card pack to get the card that they wont be able to use cause it will be banned. doesn't make much sense to me. you say i need to think. sounds like you need to think to me It's a basic business tactic really. Here I'll even explain using the classic film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate FactorySo in the film Wonka released unto the earth five "Golden Tickets" that would allow five lucky people and a guest to tour his factory. Five! Now think that's five tickets for upwards of 1,000,000,000 Wonka bars. Now think in the film did this stop people from buying the candy? It did not. Starting to see the point? Now apply this logic to something like Pot of Duality. It's what 1 in five to six boxes. Has this stopped people from buying? Nope, in fact people are buying more to get these Pots as they are less common. Create something people will desire, then only release a small amount of them. As I said it's a basic business tactic that companies around the world implement. Does this help explain why they make secret rares and the like. well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Now I hope you don't feel this as an attack, but if someone buys into a card they want without knowing it's banlist status, maybe they shouldn't be spending mass amounts of money on a card game. Not to mention that sometimes when it's created a card is fine. (See Rescue Cat) It's only later that it becomes broken. So you have to consider that while someone may be pissed that a card is banned later on, Konami really doesn't plan ahead and doesn't really care if the player base it mad. He did almost kill like five of them though. o i dont see it as an attack. your actually the most civil of them all ide say. and yea i see what your saying but i still dont see why these cards are banned still sorry. Good. They just don't like it when people don't understand basic game things; I don't either. Well SS those cards are banned because they create cheap +1's and a skill-less environment withing the game. As Grump posted that list of FTK decks back there, I hope you can see my point. Also on my other point: It's a basic game thing. That's why we call each banlist period a format, how we define the meta, and all that jazz. To not know that the game changes every six months in near criminal. It shows that you don't even know banlist basics.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:21 pm
The raw, free, generation of advantage with no disadvantage is why they were banned. How many times do we have to say that?
Ok, here...
I have Harpie's Feather Dust, Raigeki, Delinquent Duo, Confiscation, Forceful Sentry and Yata Garasu in hand and no field.
You have one back row, five monsters monster, four in hand. Ten cards to my six cards. Your utter control of the field to my superior sized hand. I drop Duster, regardless of your backrow, it goes. I drop Raigeki. I just used one card to destroy FIVE of yours. FIVE OF THEM. That's an equalizing move that puts me at four in hand to your four in hand. I then drop Duo, Confiscation and Forceful Sentry. You lose your whole hand and have no cards, hand OR field, to my one card in hand. I went from being down four cards to being up one. A switch of a five card stud. I then summon Yata Garasu for game.
A bit extreme, but let's do another. Dark Hole this time.
You have no hand, no backrow and five monsters on the field. I have a set Sangan and no cards in hand. I then top deck Dark Hole. I play Dark Hole and destroy your monsters and mine. I lose two cards to your five. Equalized. 0 to 0. However, Sangan just died. I search my deck for Yata Garasu, summon it and win.
Get it yet?
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:22 pm
armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE armycat jockamoe SOLIDNSNAKE right make it a secret rare so everyone will buy this card pack to get the card that they wont be able to use cause it will be banned. doesn't make much sense to me. you say i need to think. sounds like you need to think to me It's a basic business tactic really. Here I'll even explain using the classic film Willy Wonka and the Chocolate FactorySo in the film Wonka released unto the earth five "Golden Tickets" that would allow five lucky people and a guest to tour his factory. Five! Now think that's five tickets for upwards of 1,000,000,000 Wonka bars. Now think in the film did this stop people from buying the candy? It did not. Starting to see the point? Now apply this logic to something like Pot of Duality. It's what 1 in five to six boxes. Has this stopped people from buying? Nope, in fact people are buying more to get these Pots as they are less common. Create something people will desire, then only release a small amount of them. As I said it's a basic business tactic that companies around the world implement. Does this help explain why they make secret rares and the like. well i understand that. see thats a good tactic HOWEVER when people spend alot of money to get cards and if they finally do get it learning that the card is banned and they cant use it pisses them off. wonka didnt ban them from using that ticket. (ok really stupid thing i said there but i hope you get what i mean) Now I hope you don't feel this as an attack, but if someone buys into a card they want without knowing it's banlist status, maybe they shouldn't be spending mass amounts of money on a card game. Not to mention that sometimes when it's created a card is fine. (See Rescue Cat) It's only later that it becomes broken. So you have to consider that while someone may be pissed that a card is banned later on, Konami really doesn't plan ahead and doesn't really care if the player base it mad. He did almost kill like five of them though. o i dont see it as an attack. your actually the most civil of them all ide say. and yea i see what your saying but i still dont see why these cards are banned still sorry. Good. They just don't like it when people don't understand basic game things; I don't either. Well SS those cards are banned because they create cheap +1's and a skill-less environment withing the game. As Grump posted that list of FTK decks back there, I hope you can see my point. well thats the most sensible thing i think ive heard for a reason (other people are idiots lol) but im still not seeing it.i mean i now understand why some people would WANT them banned but i dont see why they NEED to be banned
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:23 pm
Grumpy Giygas The raw, free, generation of advantage with no disadvantage is why they were banned. How many times do we have to say that? Ok, here... I have Harpie's Feather Dust, Raigeki, Delinquent Duo, Confiscation, Forceful Sentry and Yata Garasu in hand and no field. You have one back row, five monsters monster, four in hand. Ten cards to my six cards. Your utter control of the field to my superior sized hand. I drop Duster, regardless of your backrow, it goes. I drop Raigeki. I just used one card to destroy FIVE of yours. FIVE OF THEM. That's an equalizing move that puts me at four in hand to your four in hand. I then drop Duo, Confiscation and Forceful Sentry. You lose your whole hand and have no cards, hand OR field, to my one card in hand. I went from being down four cards to being up one. A switch of a five card stud. I then summon Yata Garasu for game. A bit extreme, but let's do another. Dark Hole this time. You have no hand, no backrow and five monsters on the field. I have a set Sangan and no cards in hand. I then top deck Dark Hole. I play Dark Hole and destroy your monsters and mine. I lose two cards to your five. Equalized. 0 to 0. However, Sangan just died. I search my deck for Yata Garasu, summon it and win. Get it yet?
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:30 pm
Grumpy Giygas The raw, free, generation of advantage with no disadvantage is why they were banned. How many times do we have to say that? Ok, here... I have Harpie's Feather Dust, Raigeki, Delinquent Duo, Confiscation, Forceful Sentry and Yata Garasu in hand and no field. You have one back row, five monsters monster, four in hand. Ten cards to my six cards. Your utter control of the field to my superior sized hand. I drop Duster, regardless of your backrow, it goes. I drop Raigeki. I just used one card to destroy FIVE of yours. FIVE OF THEM. That's an equalizing move that puts me at four in hand to your four in hand. I then drop Duo, Confiscation and Forceful Sentry. You lose your whole hand and have no cards, hand OR field, to my one card in hand. I went from being down four cards to being up one. A switch of a five card stud. I then summon Yata Garasu for game. A bit extreme, but let's do another. Dark Hole this time. You have no hand, no backrow and five monsters on the field. I have a set Sangan and no cards in hand. I then top deck Dark Hole. I play Dark Hole and destroy your monsters and mine. I lose two cards to your five. Equalized. 0 to 0. However, Sangan just died. I search my deck for Yata Garasu, summon it and win. Get it yet? well 1. ide say that was a spectacular move and ide probably applaud you for it. 2. well lets say my face down was a mirror force. couldnt do anything about harpys. now about my hand lets say i had sinister serpant, a random card and 2 browws. suddenly even though you did pull a great move im still safe from that yata lock second example. depends on what i have face down. good examples but think dont assume evryone is gonna have normal monsters or bad hand cards
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:37 pm
If you're running Broww, you will lose anyway. I'd lead with Forceful Sentry, and save me from any of that.
Spectacular move? That's horrid. Absolutely horrid.
You assuming that I think you have NORMAL MONSTERS in Traditional is laughable.
I AM assuming you'd be running a good deck though. Which, given how you keep replying with off the wall, wouldn't be run in traditional crap, you're obviously not. You'd lose regardless of what I have in my hand with s**t like that. God damn.
EDIT: If you can't understand why things are banned, you should stop playing yugioh. Seriously. Go out and play something else, like Checkers.
Seriously, PLAY ME with traditional. I will OBLITERATE you 100% of the time because you don't understand how card advantage works and how it is the fundamental structure of the game. Play me in advanced and I'd crush you there too.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:40 pm
Grumpy Giygas If you're running Broww, you will lose anyway. I'd lead with Forceful Sentry, and save me from any of that. Spectacular move? That's horrid. Absolutely horrid. You assuming that I think you have NORMAL MONSTERS in Traditional is laughable. I AM assuming you'd be running a good deck though. Which, given how you keep replying with off the wall, wouldn't be run in traditional crap, you're obviously not. You'd lose regardless of what I have in my hand with s**t like that. God damn. how exactly. discarded by your effect forcefull sentry returns 1 tot he deck so i still have 1 more a random card and sinister. sinister goes to my grave and comes back soon. and second broww lets me draw 1 or 2 (2 cause of your other cards you mentioned) so those 2 cards i drew could stop your yata. see you dont know.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:44 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE I have to ask; what's your actual goal with your argument?
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:45 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE Grumpy Giygas If you're running Broww, you will lose anyway. I'd lead with Forceful Sentry, and save me from any of that. Spectacular move? That's horrid. Absolutely horrid. You assuming that I think you have NORMAL MONSTERS in Traditional is laughable. I AM assuming you'd be running a good deck though. Which, given how you keep replying with off the wall, wouldn't be run in traditional crap, you're obviously not. You'd lose regardless of what I have in my hand with s**t like that. God damn. how exactly. discarded by your effect forcefull sentry returns 1 tot he deck so i still have 1 more a random card and sinister. sinister goes to my grave and comes back soon. and second broww lets me draw 1 or 2 (2 cause of your other cards you mentioned) so those 2 cards i drew could stop your yata. see you dont know. http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Forceful_Sentry I look at your hand, thus I don't use the rest of the s**t in my hand to discard! If you have something that won't negatively effect me I'll Confiscation it away. I'll use Yata to knock away a draw and still have card advantage on you! You don't even know the cards on the banlist and you're trying to defend them?! From Previous Post EDIT: If you can't understand why things are banned, you should stop playing yugioh. Seriously. Go out and play something else, like Checkers. Seriously, PLAY ME with traditional. I will OBLITERATE you 100% of the time because you don't understand how card advantage works and how it is the fundamental structure of the game. Play me in advanced and I'd crush you there too.
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:47 pm
Grumpy Giygas If you're running Broww, you will lose anyway. I'd lead with Forceful Sentry, and save me from any of that. Spectacular move? That's horrid. Absolutely horrid. You assuming that I think you have NORMAL MONSTERS in Traditional is laughable. I AM assuming you'd be running a good deck though. Which, given how you keep replying with off the wall, wouldn't be run in traditional crap, you're obviously not. You'd lose regardless of what I have in my hand with s**t like that. God damn. EDIT: If you can't understand why things are banned, you should stop playing yugioh. Seriously. Go out and play something else, like Checkers. Seriously, PLAY ME with traditional. I will OBLITERATE you 100% of the time because you don't understand how card advantage works and how it is the fundamental structure of the game. Play me in advanced and I'd crush you there too. probably. i dont claim to be an amazing duelist and i dont claim to know everything. and as for army cat. i didnt want to start a gaint arguement all i did was say i dont see why these cards are banned and they act like i commit a great sin like f*ck god or something like that. (i do but not in this thread. but thats off topic) i mean your gave me the most sensible reasoning but it didnt help i still dont see why these cards NEED to be banned
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:52 pm
SOLIDNSNAKE probably. i dont claim to be an amazing duelist and i dont claim to know everything. and as for army cat. i didnt want to start a gaint arguement all i did was say i dont see why these cards are banned and they act like i commit a great sin like f*ck god or something like that. (i do but not in this thread. but thats off topic) i mean your gave me the most sensible reasoning but it didnt help i still dont see why these cards NEED to be banned He said the same thing we've all been saying. THE SAME THING. Cards need to be BANNED because otherwise the whole game would be dominated by FTKs/OTKs, complete, 100% FTKs and OTKs. It would be VERY BORING. And if they banned the stuff that made FTKs/OTKs possible, we'd still be left with decks running 20~ of the exact same cards. Frog Monarch decks don't like different from other Frog Monarch decks, but they look different from X Saber decks, at least all but five or six cards. Now imagine all decks would be over 50% of the exact same thing. It would be very boring, top decks would win regardless of what you did to prevent it. You could top out of a situation that took the opponent three turns to plan and execute by drawing Raigeki, Harpie's Feather, blah blah and equalize the situation. tl;dr HOW MANY ******** TIMES DO I HAVE TO ******** REPEAT THE SAME ******** ANSWERS TO YOUR SAME ******** QUESTIONS?
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