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 Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:46 pm
evoulution is definately not true God made the Earth and eveything in it the only "evoulution" i believe in is renewing of the heart and mind when ppl accept him
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:10 pm
cheetahgirl365 evoulution is definately not true God made the Earth and eveything in it the only "evoulution" i believe in is renewing of the heart and mind when ppl accept him It is your right to choose to be delusional.
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:04 pm
zz1000zz I want to clear up something right away. It does not matter if i am or am not a Christian. I can discuss this topic even if i believe a flying noodle monster rules the universe. As for evolution, i know it is true, primarily because i do not live in denial. Especially not denial of the obvious. First, evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang or how the world came into being. Evolution is a fact that has nothing to do with the Big Bang. Second, you apparently misunderstand the Big Bang. The theory states the entire universe came from a singularity that 'exploded' near-on 14 billion years ago (i.e. the universe has not always existed as it is, meaning entropy is meaningless). It does not say where the singularity originated, now how it came into being. Both of your points fail. Er... well... first of all I'm sorry if I sounded offending when i asked if you were a christian... but I just needed to know how I should approach with my opinions on evolutionism.... i sowwy. And also, I wuz not being serious about the big bang statement....! i was joking around... and for another thing HUH?? R U SAYIN THAT THE UNIVERSE USED TO EXIST IN ANOTHER DIMENSION?? the laws of Thermodynamics don't change just because of an "explosion" or whatnot... so how did my point fail? my point was that we were created at one point, and if you are an evolutionist, you must take into consideration the all important question, "which came first? the protein or the enzyme?" as i'm sure you're aware, they are the basis of all of life that is created. and, since one simply cannot function or even EXIST without the other, how did they come to be? And yes... I think my topic is appropriate considering the fact that there can be no evolution without first something that may EVOLVE.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:32 pm
zz1000zz cheetahgirl365 evoulution is definately not true God made the Earth and eveything in it the only "evoulution" i believe in is renewing of the heart and mind when ppl accept him It is your right to choose to be delusional. Pardon me for interjecting, but how does that make her delusional? Just because she chooses to have faith in God's creation view, as opposed to having faith in an Evolutionist's view.... And believe me, it takes just as much *FAITH* to believe in eveolution as it does to believe in Creation. I'm not saying there isn't an actual form of evolution that takes place within a species - as it adapts to its environment. But I hardly believe that MAN evolved from any other creature, or that any other creature evolved from any other creature or substance... That is NOT scientifically possible or provable.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:05 pm
zz1000zz:
In order for evolution to occur there has to be something to evolve from, correct? So how is evolution the reason the earth was populated?
its imposible. also if we all evolved from the same general point(that being sn ape according to modren science) people wouldnt be as different as we are, we wouldnt have diffrent race, culture, laungage. We'd all be essentaily the same for the first few thousand years of exsistance untill we had covered the earth enough to devlop different culture. No matter how far back you look in to history, people have always had cultrul,language religious and differences in skin hair eyes....pretty much everything. This stuff did not just happen by accident.
Look at apes, they all pretty much have the same day to day, the same personality types, look almost exactly the same. So if we evolved from them, we would look the same, act relitivly the same, speak the same just as they do.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:47 pm
Shizuko-chan zz1000zz: In order for evolution to occur there has to be something to evolve from, correct? So how is evolution the reason the earth was populated? its imposible. also if we all evolved from the same general point(that being sn ape according to modren science) people wouldnt be as different as we are, we wouldnt have diffrent race, culture, laungage. We'd all be essentaily the same for the first few thousand years of exsistance untill we had covered the earth enough to devlop different culture. No matter how far back you look in to history, people have always had cultrul,language religious and differences in skin hair eyes....pretty much everything. This stuff did not just happen by accident. Look at apes, they all pretty much have the same day to day, the same personality types, look almost exactly the same. So if we evolved from them, we would look the same, act relitivly the same, speak the same just as they do. Thank you!! and also think about it... if we evolved from apes... why did we evolve and the apes didn't???
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:12 am
Actually, I have a somewhat valid excuse (more valid than most others) for that. (courtesy of my atheist friend. He's stubborn, but I'll get him someday! mrgreen )
According to him, there was a big bang, bacteria formed eventually, yadda yadda yadda, then mammals formed and such, and then mokeys came. Then he said during this time of early development for the primates, a few caught a rare virus that made them a bit better then the rest. (harder, better, faster, stronger etc. mrgreen ) They then began to evole a bit differently from the rest and eventually took the virus into their DNA code and ta-da, humans.
I, personally, think this is a load of you-know-what. For one, science says that humans have 46 chromosomes and the rest of the primates have 48. Shouldn't the number have gone up, or at least stayed the same for us if we absorbed the virus? And where did the virus go anyways?
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:35 pm
Ishmeal5489 Actually, I have a somewhat valid excuse (more valid than most others) for that. (courtesy of my atheist friend. He's stubborn, but I'll get him someday! mrgreen ) According to him, there was a big bang, bacteria formed eventually, yadda yadda yadda, then mammals formed and such, and then mokeys came. Then he said during this time of early development for the primates, a few caught a rare virus that made them a bit better then the rest. (harder, better, faster, stronger etc. mrgreen ) They then began to evole a bit differently from the rest and eventually took the virus into their DNA code and ta-da, humans. I, personally, think this is a load of you-know-what. For one, science says that humans have 46 chromosomes and the rest of the primates have 48. Shouldn't the number have gone up, or at least stayed the same for us if we absorbed the virus? And where did the virus go anyways? I'm sorry, that's not a particularly good explanation. Or rather, not a particularly good reiteration of an explanation. Viruses may have a factor in the schism between apes and humans, but there are many other factors that could also be responsible. The important point here is that the "But why are there still apes?" question stems from a misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. Mutation takes place in individuals, not entire species. One member of a species is born with a mutation, and THAT individual passes on that mutation to its offspring. For example, say that a monkey was born with an extra finger. When that monkey breeds with other monkeys, it may pass on the genetic trait responsible for that extra finger. After several generations, there may be dozens of monkeys with an extra finger. But since the normal monkeys also continued to breed amongst themselves, there is now a split in the monkeys: Some of them have an extra finger, and some don't. You can think of the human/ape split in a similar way. One of our ancestors had less hair and a better brain than his friends. He/She bred with some of our other ancestors, and produced children with less hair and better brains. However, his hairy, weaker-brained friends also continued to breed and produced hairy, weaker-brained children. The former group eventually became humanity, and the latter became apes. To put the matter in context, the question, "Why didn't all of the apes become human when we evolved?" is like asking, "Why didn't all of the English become American when they began migrating to the New World?" Some of them changed, some of them didn't. For a better explanation, check out this page.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:56 pm
Um...the link doesn't work anymore.
And anyways, I said that I thought that the explanation sucked anyways. Yours is a lot more convincing, although I'm still firmly grounded in the belief of creationism. I believe that this is just another one of those controversial things that God left unanswered for a reason, part of the reason being watching us debate like this. blaugh
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:45 pm
Huh, sorry about the broken link. Should be fixed now.
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:27 pm
Ishmeal5489 Actually, I have a somewhat valid excuse (more valid than most others) for that. (courtesy of my atheist friend. He's stubborn, but I'll get him someday! mrgreen ) According to him, there was a big bang, bacteria formed eventually, yadda yadda yadda, then mammals formed and such, and then mokeys came. Then he said during this time of early development for the primates, a few caught a rare virus that made them a bit better then the rest. (harder, better, faster, stronger etc. mrgreen ) They then began to evole a bit differently from the rest and eventually took the virus into their DNA code and ta-da, humans. I, personally, think this is a load of you-know-what. For one, science says that humans have 46 chromosomes and the rest of the primates have 48. Shouldn't the number have gone up, or at least stayed the same for us if we absorbed the virus? And where did the virus go anyways? some what logical. But if we did evolve, primates would have gone exstinct or close too in the beginning. If you think about the rule of "survivle of the fitest." then wouldn't apes have died off? we would have been competeing with them for esentialy the same eviorment, food and basic needs. Seems how in the theroy of evolution Humans are basicaly the upgrated version of apes, wouldn't we have taken complete domintaion over food sorces, safe spots from preditors and such? leaving very little resource for apes to survive. This is a common thought(espectialy with the theory of speciation.) When one specices need the same envorment as another, the strongest dominates and the other virtually dissapears.
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Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:09 am
Shizuko-chan some what logical. But if we did evolve, primates would have gone exstinct or close too in the beginning. If you think about the rule of "survivle of the fitest." then wouldn't apes have died off? we would have been competeing with them for esentialy the same eviorment, food and basic needs. Amazingly, many species compete for the same resources THIS VERY DAY, and both continue to survive. Why? Because there's enough to go around. Shizuko-chan seems how in the theroy of evolution Humans are basicaly the upgrated version of apes, Okay, you clearly don't understand what you're talking about. Evolution doesn't "upgrade" species. It makes new species from current species. The new species MAY be better at some things, and if they are better, then they'll have a better chance of propagating the species. Compared to apes, humans have some advantages and some disadvantages. Quote: When one specices need the same envorment as another, the strongest dominates and the other virtually dissapears. Only if there aren't enough resources for both to survive.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:42 pm
If evolution were to be true then that means that there was no reason for Christ. Christ died for our sins right? Yes. The next logical question would to be to ask, where did our sin and sin nature come from? Threw adam and eve when they fell in the garden. If the Genisis story in the Bible is not literal then there was no deception and no fall of man and there would be no reason for Christ.
Evolution and Christianity just don't mix.
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:53 pm
Spartan1989 If evolution were to be true then that means that there was no reason for Christ. Christ died for our sins right? Yes. The next logical question would to be to ask, where did our sin and sin nature come from? Threw adam and eve when they fell in the garden. If the Genisis story in the Bible is not literal then there was no deception and no fall of man and there would be no reason for Christ. Evolution and Christianity just don't mix.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:44 am
Forgive me for not reading every single topic, but I don't think this has been asked.
If there is no God (which is what most evolutionist believe from what I understand, sure there is the fact evolution does not directly contradict God, yada, yada, yada. this question is not for theistic evolutionist unless you have a good answer.) Were did our morality come from. Even before we are fully exposed to society we have knowledge of right and wrong. As a child if we do something like see someone naked, we think it is wrong (now we don't always stop, because it might feel good, but we know it is wrong)
Now society does influence it greatly, but we are born with a sence of morality. Where does it come from?
Also, where does love come from? Why don't we just naturally reproduce without any emotion attached. It would make peoples lives a lot easier. Why do people get married even when they can't have children? Where does love come from?
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