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 Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:19 pm
kage no neko entervixen If the harm is not interpreted as such then no, it is not harm. But most things do not respond in such a way. To be harmed, even by a friend, is to be hurt. It causes an imbalance in one of the five sheaths (those being Annamaya Kosha (Food Sheath), Pranamaya Kosha (Pranic or Energy Sheath), Manomaya Kosha (Mental or psycho-emotional Sheath), Vijnyanamaya Kosha (Intellectual Sheath), and Anandamaya Kosha (Bliss Sheath)). The imbalance spreads from one sheath to the others, causing more harm, more disharmony, which brings in illness. Then you have to take time to correct the imbalance, which takes time and effort. It is an exhausting, time consuming process. If you do not follow Eastern thought, that is fine, but other cultures have similar ideas which have similar consequences. I merely stated it in a fashion I can understand and thus present. I completely fail to understand, lol. But that's okay. I guess we should just agree to disagree on the idea of harm being harmful. But do you have any reply at all to the idea that the wiccan rede does not forbid harm? When it says, "an ye harm none, do what ye will" Edit: forgot to say, agreeing to disagree is fine, I'm not trying to "convert" you, just find out where you're coming from.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:23 pm
entervixen ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen She was pointing out that most magical practitioners follow the Wiccan Rede or something similar because it helps remind us to not do harm as our actions affect more than just us. I went over with you the healing thing already, I brought it up because you asked for an instance where you were forcing your standards on others. I merely did as I was asked. Jai Kali Maa
So she did this by informing me that I'm an ignoramus, in a disrespectful manner no less, and I am in the wrong for defending myself?
I fail to see how I am in the wrong for defending myself against harsh words.
Jai Maa Kali She did not call you that. She merely stated that you can potentially harm someone by not observing how your actions affect others. Jai Kali Maa
So she did this by informing me that I'm an ignoramus, in a disrespectful manner no less, and I am in the wrong for defending myself?
She wasn't just saying that most witches follow something resembling the rede, she was saying that real witches do, and that therefore, anyone who did not follow something resembling the rede was not a real witch. She is not only being rude, but she is forcing her standards on me.
I fail to see how I am in the wrong for defending myself against harsh words.
Furthermore, I really don't see how by making known my worries and cares about what I've learned and know of healing that I am forcing my standards upon others. I'm merely adding just that, my fears and worries and what I have experienced of inexperienced healers attempting spells and healings without proper teaching. This is not forcing standards on anyone, it's being a worried, responsible healer. By insisting that I had no idea what I was talking about, and healing was infact ABC you were forcing your standards on me and generalizing about healing as well.
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:24 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen She was pointing out that most magical practitioners follow the Wiccan Rede or something similar because it helps remind us to not do harm as our actions affect more than just us. I went over with you the healing thing already, I brought it up because you asked for an instance where you were forcing your standards on others. I merely did as I was asked. Jai Kali Maa
So she did this by informing me that I'm an ignoramus, in a disrespectful manner no less, and I am in the wrong for defending myself?
She wasn't just saying that most witches follow something resembling the rede, she was saying that real witches do, and that therefore, anyone who did not follow something resembling the rede was not a real witch. She is not only being rude, but she is forcing her standards on me.
I fail to see how I am in the wrong for defending myself against harsh words.
Furthermore, I really don't see how by making known my worries and cares about what I've learned and know of healing that I am forcing my standards upon others. I'm merely adding just that, my fears and worries and what I have experienced of inexperienced healers attempting spells and healings without proper teaching. This is not forcing standards on anyone, it's being a worried, responsible healer. By insisting that I had no idea what I was talking about, and healing was infact ABC you were forcing your standards on me and generalizing about healing as well.
Jai Maa Kali Hey Shion. We're all bracing ourselves for what you're going to say next. So please...continue.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:24 pm
entervixen When it says, "an ye harm none, do what ye will" Edit: forgot to say, agreeing to disagree is fine, I'm not trying to "convert" you, just find out where you're coming from. It says, if it harms none, do what you want. It never says if it harms, don't do what you want. It never specifies at all what to do if it does harm, just that not harming is just fine. It's not a guaranteed reversible statement. That's like saying if it's not red, then it must be blue. It COULD be green, not blue. Or it could be purple or orange or white or any other color.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:25 pm
Rizu-sensei if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about Jai Kali Maa
Sounds like an insult to me. Please interpret her blatant insult differently.
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:26 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen She was pointing out that most magical practitioners follow the Wiccan Rede or something similar because it helps remind us to not do harm as our actions affect more than just us. I went over with you the healing thing already, I brought it up because you asked for an instance where you were forcing your standards on others. I merely did as I was asked. Jai Kali Maa
So she did this by informing me that I'm an ignoramus, in a disrespectful manner no less, and I am in the wrong for defending myself?
I fail to see how I am in the wrong for defending myself against harsh words.
Jai Maa Kali She did not call you that. She merely stated that you can potentially harm someone by not observing how your actions affect others. Jai Kali Maa
So she did this by informing me that I'm an ignoramus, in a disrespectful manner no less, and I am in the wrong for defending myself?
She wasn't just saying that most witches follow something resembling the rede, she was saying that real witches do, and that therefore, anyone who did not follow something resembling the rede was not a real witch. She is not only being rude, but she is forcing her standards on me.
I fail to see how I am in the wrong for defending myself against harsh words.
Furthermore, I really don't see how by making known my worries and cares about what I've learned and know of healing that I am forcing my standards upon others. I'm merely adding just that, my fears and worries and what I have experienced of inexperienced healers attempting spells and healings without proper teaching. This is not forcing standards on anyone, it's being a worried, responsible healer. By insisting that I had no idea what I was talking about, and healing was infact ABC you were forcing your standards on me and generalizing about healing as well.
Jai Maa Kali Never once in her post did she type out the word "ignoramus". That was merely what you inferred from it. You tried to tell others that it is wrong to cast a healing spell. I corrected you because I know this to not be true in a lot of cases (mine and others). If it is true in your case (or in any other) there is nothing wrong with formal training. In fact, I said that.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:27 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze Rizu-sensei if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about Jai Kali Maa
Sounds like an insult to me. Please interpret her blatant insult differently.
Jai Maa Kali Perhaps she is just readying herself for the inevitable shion-related injury.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:28 pm
you know this whole issue is not needed. what does it matter who follows what? Does this topic state "argue over the meaning of the Wiccan Rede" no it does not. I am annoyed by this kind of action. To be warned, I will stand behind Vixen. She is one of my best friends, I know she is a good person, and won't say anything unless she means it. Think about that person you say anything insulting.
BTW Shion? What gives? Was anyone even attacking you? Was somebody telling you, personally you had to follow the Wiccan Rede? I don't think so. Please, please, just do me a favor. Take a deep breath and think before you type. You are not making yourself out well.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:28 pm
kage no neko entervixen When it says, "an ye harm none, do what ye will" Edit: forgot to say, agreeing to disagree is fine, I'm not trying to "convert" you, just find out where you're coming from. It says, if it harms none, do what you want. It never says if it harms, don't do what you want. It never specifies at all what to do if it does harm, just that not harming is just fine. It's not a guaranteed reversible statement. That's like saying if it's not red, then it must be blue. It COULD be green, not blue. Or it could be purple or orange or white or any other color. It is, actually. The phrasing itself states that as long as you cause no harm, you can do what you want.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:29 pm
entervixen Never once in her post did she type out the word "ignoramus". That was merely what you inferred from it. No, she didn't say ignoramus. I was making her sound polite by using that word. Quote: You tried to tell others that it is wrong to cast a healing spell. I corrected you because I know this to not be true in a lot of cases (mine and others). If it is true in your case (or in any other) there is nothing wrong with formal training. In fact, I said that. Jai Kali Maa
So it was all right for you to force your standards on me, but I'm not allowed in any way to even present my standards at all?
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:31 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze Rizu-sensei if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about Jai Kali Maa
Sounds like an insult to me. Please interpret her blatant insult differently.
Jai Maa Kali I will not just because you tell me to. She was blunt, yes, but the only "insult" I know of is the one you keep insisting is there, which I do not see
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:32 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen Never once in her post did she type out the word "ignoramus". That was merely what you inferred from it. No, she didn't say ignoramus. I was making her sound polite by using that word. Quote: You tried to tell others that it is wrong to cast a healing spell. I corrected you because I know this to not be true in a lot of cases (mine and others). If it is true in your case (or in any other) there is nothing wrong with formal training. In fact, I said that. Jai Kali Maa
So it was all right for you to force your standards on me, but I'm not allowed in any way to even present my standards at all?
Jai Maa Kali I take it you missed the part where I said, "If it is true in your case (or any other) there is nothing wrong with formal training."
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:32 pm
Jai Kali Maa
So, what you mean to say is, that it's all right for everyone to gang up on me and insult me repeatedly, but if I try to defend myself I'm out of line?
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:33 pm
I think it's time you read Kasa's post, shion.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:33 pm
entervixen ShionsAmethystGaze Rizu-sensei if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about Jai Kali Maa
Sounds like an insult to me. Please interpret her blatant insult differently.
Jai Maa Kali I will not just because you tell me to. She was blunt, yes, but the only "insult" I know of is the one you keep insisting is there, which I do not see Jai Kali Maa
So, if I were to take her exact wording and instead insist that you are not a real witch because you follow the wiccan rede, you would not be insulted?
Jai Maa Kali
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