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 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:22 pm
Bharatiyaa_ larki Captain_Shinzo Bharatiyaa_ larki Captain_Shinzo Bharatiyaa_ larki Ya, if it had been anyone outside of the Islamic religion, I wouldn't be offended.. but because it is, a very important prophet at that, I am offended, because he is highly respected in Islam.
It should only state that it's a sinful thing to draw him, not where people start getting offended when others draw him.OMG! We're offended because he's our beloved prophet!! So, doing a sinful act about him.. is highly offensive!
But you wont tell me why he has a problem with being drawn.I told you.. ugh.. here is a DETAILED explanation.. "The reason why there is no picture of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Praise be to Allaah. Islam came to prevent all means that may lead to shirk or the association of others in worship with Allaah. Among these means is the making of images, so sharee’ah forbids making images, and curses the one who does that, and a strong warning is issued to the one who does that. It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers that Umm Habeebah and Umm Salamah mentioned a church that they had seen in Abyssinia, in which there were images. They mentioned it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said: “Those people, if there was a righteous man among them and he died, they would build a place of worship over his grave and put those images in it. They will be among the most evil of creation before Allaah on the Day of Resurrection.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Salaah, 409). It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back from a journey and I had placed a curtain of mine that had pictures on it over (the door of) a room of mine. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw it, he tore it and said, ‘The people who will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to make the like of Allaah’s creation.’ So we turned it (the curtain) into one or two cushions.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Libaas, 549 cool . It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Libaas, 5494). So how could he grant permission to make a picture of him? Hence none of the Sahaabah dared to make a picture or image of him, because they knew the ruling that doing so was haraam. Allaah warns against exaggeration, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion” [al-Nisaa’ 4:171] And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against doing anything that may involve exceeding the limits concerning him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam, for I am just a slave, so say ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Ahaadeeth al-Anbiya’, 3189). Imaam Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab wrote a chapter entitled “Maa jaa’a ‘an sabab kufr Bani Adam huwa al-ghulw fi’l-saaliheen (What was narrated stating that the reason for the kufr of the sons of Adam was their exaggeration concerning the righteous).”, in which he said: “In al-Saheeh it is narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘“And they have said: ‘You shall not leave your gods, nor shall you leave Wadd, nor Suwaa‘, nor Yaghooth, nor Ya‘ooq nor Nasr’ (these are the names of their idols).’ [Nooh 71:23] – “These were the names of righteous men among the people of Nooh. When they died, the Shaytaan inspired their people to set up stone altars in the places where they used to sit, and call them by their names. They did that but they did not worship them, until those people died, then the knowledge was forgotten and they were worshipped.” Ibn al-Qayyim said: “More than one of the salaf said: ‘when they died, the people started to frequent their graves, then they made statues of them, then as time passed they started to worship them.” (Fath al-Majeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed by ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Hasan, p. 219) For this reason there are no pictures of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because he forbade doing that, lest it lead to shirk. The implication of the testimony that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that we believe in him and in the message that he brought, even though there are no pictures of him. The believers do not need a picture of him in order to follow him. The description of him that is given in the saheeh reports means that we have no need of his picture. Among the descriptions of him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that have been narrated are the following: 1- He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the most handsome of face of all people. 2- He had wide shoulders. 3- He was neither tall nor short (of average height). 4- He had a round face with a ruddy complexion. 5- His eyes were intensely black. 6- He had long eyelashes. 7- He was the Seal of the Prophets, the most generous of people in giving, , the most generous of people in giving, he was the most forbearing and content of all people, he was the most sincere in speech of all people, he had the gentlest nature of all people and was the most easy-going with others. Those who saw him suddenly stood in awe of him and those who mized with him came to love him. Those who described him said they had never seen anyone like him before or since.” See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, al-Manaaqib, 3571 and other books of Sunnah which give descriptions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Undoubtedly the believers wish that they could have met the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Hence it says in the hadeeth narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The people most loved by me among my ummah will be those who would come after me, but every one amongst them would have the keenest desire to catch a glimpse of me even at the expense of his family and his wealth.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Jannah wa Sifat Na’eemihaa, 5060). Undoubtedly love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and following him are the means of being brought together with him in Paradise. Part of loving him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is seeing him in a dream, which means seeing him in his real form. It was reported that Abu Hurayrah said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake, for the Shaytaan cannot take my form.’” Abu ‘Abd-Allaah said, Ibn Seereen said: this applies if one sees him in his true form. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Ta’beer, 647 cool . And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad." Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid Source(s): http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10452/pict…
It did not say why it is disrespectful to draw him OR why others should CARE why others draw him.
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:50 pm
Captain_Shinzo Bharatiyaa_ larki Captain_Shinzo Bharatiyaa_ larki Captain_Shinzo But THAT'S what I'm trying to get at, why it offends people.
It should only state that it's a sinful thing to draw him, not where people start getting offended when others draw him. OMG! We're offended because he's our beloved prophet!! So, doing a sinful act about him.. is highly offensive!
But you wont tell me why he has a problem with being drawn.I told you.. ugh.. here is a DETAILED explanation.. "The reason why there is no picture of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Praise be to Allaah. Islam came to prevent all means that may lead to shirk or the association of others in worship with Allaah. Among these means is the making of images, so sharee’ah forbids making images, and curses the one who does that, and a strong warning is issued to the one who does that. It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers that Umm Habeebah and Umm Salamah mentioned a church that they had seen in Abyssinia, in which there were images. They mentioned it to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said: “Those people, if there was a righteous man among them and he died, they would build a place of worship over his grave and put those images in it. They will be among the most evil of creation before Allaah on the Day of Resurrection.” (narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Salaah, 409). It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back from a journey and I had placed a curtain of mine that had pictures on it over (the door of) a room of mine. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw it, he tore it and said, ‘The people who will receive the severest punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to make the like of Allaah’s creation.’ So we turned it (the curtain) into one or two cushions.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Libaas, 549 cool . It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be the image-makers.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Libaas, 5494). So how could he grant permission to make a picture of him? Hence none of the Sahaabah dared to make a picture or image of him, because they knew the ruling that doing so was haraam. Allaah warns against exaggeration, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion” [al-Nisaa’ 4:171] And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against doing anything that may involve exceeding the limits concerning him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam, for I am just a slave, so say ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Ahaadeeth al-Anbiya’, 3189). Imaam Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab wrote a chapter entitled “Maa jaa’a ‘an sabab kufr Bani Adam huwa al-ghulw fi’l-saaliheen (What was narrated stating that the reason for the kufr of the sons of Adam was their exaggeration concerning the righteous).”, in which he said: “In al-Saheeh it is narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, concerning the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘“And they have said: ‘You shall not leave your gods, nor shall you leave Wadd, nor Suwaa‘, nor Yaghooth, nor Ya‘ooq nor Nasr’ (these are the names of their idols).’ [Nooh 71:23] – “These were the names of righteous men among the people of Nooh. When they died, the Shaytaan inspired their people to set up stone altars in the places where they used to sit, and call them by their names. They did that but they did not worship them, until those people died, then the knowledge was forgotten and they were worshipped.” Ibn al-Qayyim said: “More than one of the salaf said: ‘when they died, the people started to frequent their graves, then they made statues of them, then as time passed they started to worship them.” (Fath al-Majeed Sharh Kitaab al-Tawheed by ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Hasan, p. 219) For this reason there are no pictures of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), because he forbade doing that, lest it lead to shirk. The implication of the testimony that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is that we believe in him and in the message that he brought, even though there are no pictures of him. The believers do not need a picture of him in order to follow him. The description of him that is given in the saheeh reports means that we have no need of his picture. Among the descriptions of him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that have been narrated are the following: 1- He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was the most handsome of face of all people. 2- He had wide shoulders. 3- He was neither tall nor short (of average height). 4- He had a round face with a ruddy complexion. 5- His eyes were intensely black. 6- He had long eyelashes. 7- He was the Seal of the Prophets, the most generous of people in giving, , the most generous of people in giving, he was the most forbearing and content of all people, he was the most sincere in speech of all people, he had the gentlest nature of all people and was the most easy-going with others. Those who saw him suddenly stood in awe of him and those who mized with him came to love him. Those who described him said they had never seen anyone like him before or since.” See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, al-Manaaqib, 3571 and other books of Sunnah which give descriptions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Undoubtedly the believers wish that they could have met the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Hence it says in the hadeeth narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The people most loved by me among my ummah will be those who would come after me, but every one amongst them would have the keenest desire to catch a glimpse of me even at the expense of his family and his wealth.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Jannah wa Sifat Na’eemihaa, 5060). Undoubtedly love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and following him are the means of being brought together with him in Paradise. Part of loving him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is seeing him in a dream, which means seeing him in his real form. It was reported that Abu Hurayrah said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake, for the Shaytaan cannot take my form.’” Abu ‘Abd-Allaah said, Ibn Seereen said: this applies if one sees him in his true form. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Ta’beer, 647 cool . And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad." Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid Source(s): http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/10452/pict…
It did not say why it is disrespectful to draw him OR why others should CARE why others draw him.omg.. you just skimmed it didn't you??? Because it does say why it is disrespectful... Quote: So how could he grant permission to make a picture of him? Hence none of the Sahaabah dared to make a picture or image of him, because they knew the ruling that doing so was haraam. I'm not sure if you know what "haraam" means.. but it means, forbidden... and usually acts that are forbidden.. are acts that are.. not good. This is why it's disrespectful because the act of drawing him, is not a good act. now.. if you can't put 1+1 together to get 2.. I 'm not going to continue with this.... I mean it answers both of your questions.. oh btw.. it's only haraam to draw pictures of humans and animals.. if people really wanted to make a point to extremist.. they DEF. could've done so by drawing pictures.. of something else.
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Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:18 pm
out off all the things to draw... why do they decided to draw Muhamad?... u know that muslim doesnt like that.... u know that it will make us sad... and then resolve to anger...
out off all the things to draw that doesnt hurt others.... they just choose to be hurting and provocative...
freedom of speech? freedom of act? there is nothing free in this world... everything has its own consequences
they used freedom of speech to justify their selfishness rather than protecting owns right.
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:54 am
Bharatiyaa_ larki Islam is a religion of peace, but being Muslims, we're allowed to defend our religion. And I'm NOT going to leave Islam, I love it, and it is my life. OK you probably didn't get my point. I wasn't being literal (thought it was obvious). And on defending your religion - defending your religion by burning down embassies and defiling symbols of other nations doesn't belong in the 20th, much less the 21st century. This isn't the ******** middle ages. HollywoodNobody out off all the things to draw... why do they decided to draw Muhamad?... u know that muslim doesnt like that.... u know that it will make us sad... and then resolve to anger... out off all the things to draw that doesnt hurt others.... they just choose to be hurting and provocative... freedom of speech? freedom of act? there is nothing free in this world... everything has its own consequences they used freedom of speech to justify their selfishness rather than protecting owns right. It was a caricature. And it was making a valid point about extremist islam - the response of the islamic world supported that point quite nicely. All this "draw mohammed day" and similar responses are not about offending muslims. They are all about freedom of speech, which the muslim world hates so much. You don't get why people are doing this - it's a counter-response to the improper response of muslims. People are drawing Mohammed because they were told by muslims that they can't, it's standing up to the threats of muslims. If it makes you sad, you say "It makes us sad, you should stop." (if it seriously makes you sad, which is stupid anyway). You don't say "If you don't stop, I'll kill your family, burn down your house and destroy your country." That's barbaric. And muslims brought it on themselves - Bharatiyaa_ larki, you say you're serious about your religion. Well, we're serious about freedom of speech. At least we don't kill people in the name of freedom of speech - we just hurt their feelings. It's about proper conduct in the 21st century. Responding to a caricature about the violence of islam with violence is stupidity of the highest degree.
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:15 pm
HollywoodNobody out off all the things to draw... why do they decided to draw Muhamad?... u know that muslim doesnt like that.... u know that it will make us sad... and then resolve to anger... out off all the things to draw that doesnt hurt others.... they just choose to be hurting and provocative... freedom of speech? freedom of act? there is nothing free in this world... everything has its own consequences they used freedom of speech to justify their selfishness rather than protecting owns right. Thank you.. I totally agree with you!
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Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:18 pm
Artto Bharatiyaa_ larki Islam is a religion of peace, but being Muslims, we're allowed to defend our religion. And I'm NOT going to leave Islam, I love it, and it is my life. OK you probably didn't get my point. I wasn't being literal (thought it was obvious). And on defending your religion - defending your religion by burning down embassies and defiling symbols of other nations doesn't belong in the 20th, much less the 21st century. This isn't the ******** middle ages. HollywoodNobody out off all the things to draw... why do they decided to draw Muhamad?... u know that muslim doesnt like that.... u know that it will make us sad... and then resolve to anger... out off all the things to draw that doesnt hurt others.... they just choose to be hurting and provocative... freedom of speech? freedom of act? there is nothing free in this world... everything has its own consequences they used freedom of speech to justify their selfishness rather than protecting owns right. It was a caricature. And it was making a valid point about extremist islam - the response of the islamic world supported that point quite nicely. All this "draw mohammed day" and similar responses are not about offending muslims. They are all about freedom of speech, which the muslim world hates so much. You don't get why people are doing this - it's a counter-response to the improper response of muslims. People are drawing Mohammed because they were told by muslims that they can't, it's standing up to the threats of muslims. If it makes you sad, you say "It makes us sad, you should stop." (if it seriously makes you sad, which is stupid anyway). You don't say "If you don't stop, I'll kill your family, burn down your house and destroy your country." That's barbaric. And muslims brought it on themselves - Bharatiyaa_ larki, you say you're serious about your religion. Well, we're serious about freedom of speech. At least we don't kill people in the name of freedom of speech - we just hurt their feelings. It's about proper conduct in the 21st century. Responding to a caricature about the violence of islam with violence is stupidity of the highest degree. btw.. the REAL reason wasn't to say something or prove something to extremist..
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 1:25 am
Bharatiyaa_ larki btw.. the REAL reason wasn't to say something or prove something to extremist.. Sure, whatever you say. This isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't mind if somebody actually read my posts and posted some kind of responses to them - but this is, quite frankly, just silly.  So this image is saying "Mohammed is a doo-doo head, ha-ha muslims!"?
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:18 pm
Artto Bharatiyaa_ larki btw.. the REAL reason wasn't to say something or prove something to extremist.. Sure, whatever you say. This isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't mind if somebody actually read my posts and posted some kind of responses to them - but this is, quite frankly, just silly. So this image is saying "Mohammed is a doo-doo head, ha-ha muslims!"?
and, you know, it's not like people were drawing Muhammad for some big event set up by a big internet star supporting a cause.
OH WAIT, GUESS WE FORGOT ABOUT DRAW MUHAMMAD DAY!!!
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvwfvRpqCA
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:18 pm
Captain_Shinzo Artto Bharatiyaa_ larki btw.. the REAL reason wasn't to say something or prove something to extremist.. Sure, whatever you say. This isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't mind if somebody actually read my posts and posted some kind of responses to them - but this is, quite frankly, just silly. So this image is saying "Mohammed is a doo-doo head, ha-ha muslims!"?
and, you know, it's not like people were drawing Muhammad for some big event set up by a big internet star supporting a cause.
OH WAIT, GUESS WE FORGOT ABOUT DRAW MUHAMMAD DAY!!!
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvwfvRpqCA The video makes a good point, but it almost makes reason out to be a god. >.<
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:40 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Artto Bharatiyaa_ larki btw.. the REAL reason wasn't to say something or prove something to extremist.. Sure, whatever you say. This isn't going anywhere. I wouldn't mind if somebody actually read my posts and posted some kind of responses to them - but this is, quite frankly, just silly. So this image is saying "Mohammed is a doo-doo head, ha-ha muslims!"?
and, you know, it's not like people were drawing Muhammad for some big event set up by a big internet star supporting a cause.
OH WAIT, GUESS WE FORGOT ABOUT DRAW MUHAMMAD DAY!!!
]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvwfvRpqCA The video makes a good point, but it almost makes reason out to be a god. >.< The man is a scientist who does try to disprove the existent of deities. XD
Really, he held the whole show for Draw Muhammad day.
( Or at the very least made the jump-start. )
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:25 am
The Prophet Muhammad in his great wisdom did not want himself depicted for obvious reasons, but ones he explained quite clearly as not to get mixed up in matters of idolotry, etc. I think in many instances, people disrespect this in their depictions, as many of them are made to be offensive. I think it is being respectful not to do it at all. But I think it can be done in good taste if there is an honest purpose to be served of it. Still, one must be careful.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:53 pm
The Pictures of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) are NOT freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!
These Pictures insult Islam,Muhammad,and all Muslims on Earth because we Muslims Love Muhammad and follow his Sunnah
But Why are we Muslims acting like this is new?
The Crusaders made fun of Muhammad and Dante put him in the Inferno, even though he's in Heaven
Christians today "claim" they have visions of Muhammad in Hell?
They're LYING
Prophet Muhammad is in Heaven with Moses,Jesus,etc.
If you make fun of Muhammad you're making fun of every Muslim (including me)
So please don't make fun of Muhammad(peace be upon him)
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:06 pm
Khalid Ibn Walid The Pictures of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) are NOT freedom of speech!!!!!!!!!!
These Pictures insult Islam,Muhammad,and all Muslims on Earth because we Muslims Love Muhammad and follow his Sunnah
But Why are we Muslims acting like this is new?
The Crusaders made fun of Muhammad and Dante put him in the Inferno, even though he's in Heaven
Christians today "claim" they have visions of Muhammad in Hell?
They're LYING
Prophet Muhammad is in Heaven with Moses,Jesus,etc.
If you make fun of Muhammad you're making fun of every Muslim (including me)
So please don't make fun of Muhammad(peace be upon him) Free speech means you can say anything you so choose, even if it is insulting and hateful. If you apply rules on what can and can't be said, then it is LIMITED speech. It is unlawful AND ignorant to force your own beliefs and regulations on other countries and people simply because your belief says so. Jews aren't allowed to eat pork, yet I see none forcing any countries not to do so. People make fun of Christians and sometimes specifically Jehovah's witnesses all the time (even other Christians) so should we change the laws so no one can make fun of them? People have the RIGHT to express their hatred or their ideals in any way they choose so long as it doesn't harm anyone, but that also means it can be met with backlash. These pictures of Muhammad are simply the backlash you get for putting your ideas and beliefs in the light for the public to see. It happens all the time, and it is thoroughly encouraged in science (not to purposely poke fun, but specifically to criticize and make the person defend their point.) I find it insulting that people will utterly disregard evolution as 'myth' despite all the overwhelming evidence and work put into it, but I don't sit there and say that attacking it is against my rights. Whenever someone challenges me, I either disregard their little insults or listen to what the have to say on why it is false and show them why they are wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:30 pm
I like the way most of the images on the Muhammed page on Wikipedia are from Islamic art. Ironically, the fervour with which people seem to wish to prevent any images of Muhammed being made seems more like idolatry than the creation of such pieces would be.
Honestly one doesn't have to be humourless about the figures one worships, or honours or whatever it is Muslims consider they do to Muhammed. If something upsets you, analyse why that might be. Open discussion about why it upsets you and why the image was made in the first place, rather than letting yourself get as angry about it as some people seem to. No one is completely exempt from criticism, nor are they exempt from a little gentle mockery once in a while.
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