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 Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:34 pm
Being saved (baptized) is not a guarantee into heaven.
True, if you are baptized and truly want to be saved and a Christian, you won't stray.
BUT
Baptism takes away your sins. It also gives you a connection wsith God to pray for forgiveness.
But if you stray from the path and do not ask for forgiveness, you will not be forgiven.
You must ask.
If a man is baptized but does not act like a Christian should, he will go to Hell.
Blunt but correct.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:00 am
Collun Being saved (baptized) is not a guarantee into heaven. 1) You don't have to be baptized to be saved. 2) Do you know what saved means? Here's the definition: saved 1. a. To rescue from harm, danger, or loss.Once you're saved, you're saved. It is a guarantee. You can see that in the definiton. Quote: True, if you are baptized and truly want to be saved and a Christian, you won't stray. Oh, you'll stray, but you won't completely leap away from God forever. Quote: Baptism takes away your sins. It also gives you a connection wsith God to pray for forgiveness. Baptism is a public announcement and symbol that you follow the LORD. You don't need to be baptized to pray for fogiveness. Quote: But if you stray from the path and do not ask for forgiveness, you will not be forgiven. Agreed. Quote: You must ask. If a man is baptized but does not act like a Christian should, he will go to Hell. Blunt but correct. Yes! A perfect example of why baptism does not make one saved! If you were a true Christian, you would not live in your sin without doing something about it.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:45 pm
I don't believe that once you're saved you're always saved. If you get saved but backslide and go back to clubbin and doing everything you want then you aren't saved anymore because you aren't living the lifestyle. If you call yourself saved but you aren't being obedient you will not go to heaven.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:20 pm
Glorified Soul Collun Being saved (baptized) is not a guarantee into heaven. 1) You don't have to be baptized to be saved. 2) Do you know what saved means? Here's the definition: saved 1. a. To rescue from harm, danger, or loss.Once you're saved, you're saved. It is a guarantee. You can see that in the definiton. Take this as an example. You're on the edge of a cliff and someone pulls you back right before you fall. They've saved you. Does that mean that you'll never be in danger again? Quote: Quote: True, if you are baptized and truly want to be saved and a Christian, you won't stray. Oh, you'll stray, but you won't completely leap away from God forever. What about the people who leave the church? Sure, they were saved at one point, being the good Christain they should be, but what happens when the leave forever? They become lost. Quote: Quote: Baptism takes away your sins. It also gives you a connection wsith God to pray for forgiveness. Baptism is a public announcement and symbol that you follow the LORD. You don't need to be baptized to pray for fogiveness. You can pray all you want, but it doesn't mean God will hear or answer your prayers. If Jesus was baptized, why shouldn't we be? Do you think you're better than Jesus? Quote: Quote: But if you stray from the path and do not ask for forgiveness, you will not be forgiven. Agreed. Also agreed. Quote: Quote: You must ask. If a man is baptized but does not act like a Christian should, he will go to Hell. Blunt but correct. Yes! A perfect example of why baptism does not make one saved! If you were a true Christian, you would not live in your sin without doing something about it. I don't see how you came to this conclusion. Back to the cliff example. If you are saved from the cliff, does that mean you'll never be in danger again? We all stumble, and some even completely fall, but that doesn't mean that they were never saved. At one point in their lives, they could've been saved, and then decided to reject Jesus.
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:09 am
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:26 am
((Is/are there are 25 reasons for Catholics like me? xd question ))
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:16 pm
Fatal Attraction ((Is/are there are 25 reasons for Catholics like me? xd question )) Well, if you're a Christian Catholic, then they all reasons apply. (And mistress of the lost, I'm not ignoring you; i'm quite busy and will take time to reply to your post soon. I appologize if you've been waiting.)
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Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 8:51 pm
Glorified Soul Fatal Attraction ((Is/are there are 25 reasons for Catholics like me? xd question )) Well, if you're a Christian Catholic, then they all reasons apply. (And mistress of the lost, I'm not ignoring you; i'm quite busy and will take time to reply to your post soon. I appologize if you've been waiting.) It's alright, take your time. Life comes before internet, or at least it should! blaugh
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:43 pm
wow i have never seenthat before its tight thanks that should help me in a few years when i am out on missionary work idea
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:10 pm
Why in the world is this thread stickied? sad
Salvation is NOT permanent... *sigh*
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:41 pm
Quote: Salvation is NOT permanent... *sigh* According to the definition being used, it is. "...therefore we define salvation as a state of being saved, rescued or delivered from something that threatens death or destruction, that is, being brought to a place of safety. The Hebrew word for salvation also means a place of safety (yasha). Logically, if we are still in jeopardy of somehow losing this salvation, we are not in a very safe place."
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:52 pm
But then the question rises: "Is this the correct definiton?"
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:23 am
mistressofthelost But then the question rises: "Is this the correct definiton?" I don't believe that there is such a thing as a correct definition; there are common definitions, and uncommon ones, and the latter create confusion; unless the term is defined for that instance. GS explained why she thought that definition was suitable for 'salvation', methinks.
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:15 am
yeah, lol...
as for me? Salvation = being with God in Heaven. Being with God in Heaven depends on if you are with Him on Earth...
Which means if "you're saved", and then turn your back on God for the rest of your life...
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:04 pm
Mechanism mistressofthelost But then the question rises: "Is this the correct definiton?" I don't believe that there is such a thing as a correct definition; there are common definitions, and uncommon ones, and the latter create confusion; unless the term is defined for that instance. GS explained why she thought that definition was suitable for 'salvation', methinks. If there is no "correct" defintion, then logically I could say the only way to be saved is to kill someone. Now since there is no standard, you can't say I'm wrong. The only way I can be wrong is if there is a correct defintion.
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