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 Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:13 pm
Joshua_Ritter DrasBrisingr Dorian Requiem Ignoring predispositions to certain values from a given society one lives in, I have this to say on that matter. "We do what we must because we can." For the good of all of us, except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake. You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.Sorry, Josh. Mitsh beat you to it by 2 minutes. And Mitsh, I think Portal quotes are appropriate in almost any situation. Can you think of a situation where it wouldn't work? I know I can't. "I'm sorry, ma'm, but your husband had major damage to his carotid and jugular. We did everything we could, but by the time we fixed everything, he had just lost too much blood." "Oh my God. He's dead?!" "Yeah. Anyway, this cake is great. It's so delicious and moist." "Wow. Yes it is. It almost makes me forget about the tragic, untimely death of my husband." See?
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:19 pm
I highly doubt it's possible for anyone to tear down the veil. I hate the whole veil concept. For one thing, no one can ever really explain it sufficiently to me which makes me suspect it's just made up.
The other thing is, from my own experience, there IS NO VEIL. There's just perception of the astral or non-perception. If you can perceive it, you can leave your body to explore it. I've never been stopped by a veil, even back when I didn't know what I was doing.
If the veil is a giant physical barrier thingy that literally prevents astral things from bleeding over here? They're technically different planes so that just makes no sense. They ALREADY exist in the same place but in different planes...you don't usually get dimensions completely colliding into each other. If that DID happen it would need such a ridiculous amount of power that a few psions or espers or whatever are never going to be able to do it.
If the veil is only a personal barrier that keeps our spirits neatly sealed in their jars? Then mine's broken and I want a new one. xd And in that case, again, I say go for it, but like Dras said, don't come crying about it later if things get out of control, or you see things you're not ready for or some other s**t.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:41 pm
KilledbyKarma I use psi not magick. I can't scry. Plus I'm pretty sure I'd need some extra stuff to scry in the first place. And I never said I was 'super special awesome'. I just apparently think clearer than people who think they can make decisions they have no right to make. well first off its too late i made the descision and youll pretty much live with the fact that if the veil gets ******** up torn down or the world suddenly ends, i had a hand in it. secondly, you dont need anything 'special' and its not 'magick' its psionics completely. you just needed to clear your head at the least. your guess is wrong by the way. it was a greeting card from my girlfriend that sings when opened, it is red, and you are full of bullocks. ashera: im pretty sure the veil is what separates the two planes of existence from colliding on top of one another. thats what i /think/ it is anyway.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:25 pm
I'd like to take this chance to reiterate how I don't think anyone here can do it. Not because I'm challenging anyone, but because of my view of what "the veil" is, I don't think it's anything more than a concept used to simplify things.
But as I said before, if you can prove me wrong then go for. Tear that mother ******** down.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:15 am
fluffysteel2 KilledbyKarma I use psi not magick. I can't scry. Plus I'm pretty sure I'd need some extra stuff to scry in the first place. And I never said I was 'super special awesome'. I just apparently think clearer than people who think they can make decisions they have no right to make. well first off its too late i made the descision and youll pretty much live with the fact that if the veil gets ******** up torn down or the world suddenly ends, i had a hand in it. secondly, you dont need anything 'special' and its not 'magick' its psionics completely. you just needed to clear your head at the least. your guess is wrong by the way. it was a greeting card from my girlfriend that sings when opened, it is red, and you are full of bullocks. ashera: im pretty sure the veil is what separates the two planes of existence from colliding on top of one another. thats what i /think/ it is anyway.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:10 am
Asherah Delphinia
The other thing is, from my own experience, there IS NO VEIL. There's just perception of the astral or non-perception. If you can perceive it, you can leave your body to explore it. I've never been stopped by a veil, even back when I didn't know what I was doing.
Yeah... We all have our opinions. You can't always trust what's on the astral plane. : / Ya'know. It's very risky business around there. Can't really trust anyone or your own perceptions of things.
Maybe you just missed it? >.o
: / Maybe I'm dense.
Heh...
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:11 am
Well if the worst case happens and you don't manage to kill yourself please give me some way to track you down so that I can finish you off. Worst case has the world descend into religious anarchy so no one would care.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:27 am
KilledbyKarma Well if the worst case happens and you don't manage to kill yourself please give me some way to track you down so that I can finish you off. Worst case has the world descend into religious anarchy so no one would care. Children, stop trying to get the last word in. It just makes you look like an immature dumbass. And threats aren't going to help either, Karma. There's no reason to get this pissed about something so stupid. So sit the ******** down and shut the ******** up. Both of you.
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:59 pm
fluffy, I think it was me who said 'the green genie bottle of flatulence'.
You know, the lack of sufficient explainations on 'the viel' to satisfy almost everyone who really talks about it seems to be like old religions. Not to bash, but the whole 'used to explain something people couldn't understand or know at the time' thing. *thinks of something else to add*...deja vu...<---that gets old, fast.
Anyways, yeah, lets go eat pie and ignore this thread? Has anyone seen moldy or expired ice-cream? cause I haven't.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:17 pm
Zurine Yeah... We all have our opinions. You can't always trust what's on the astral plane. : / Ya'know. It's very risky business around there. Can't really trust anyone or your own perceptions of things.
Maybe you just missed it? >.o
: / Maybe I'm dense.
Heh...
The problem with the veil thing, IMO, is that it's just too literal. People are oversimplifying the relationship between this plane and the astral plane, and so they make up this stupid veil thing, with pillars and all. You are right. The veil thing is human perception, and that type of thing should always be treated with some amount of suspicion.
I do trust some things on the astral plane, like things which transpire there that can be verified once I'm back here again. For example, the other night I heard someone speaking a strange phrase. I got them to write it down, googled it yesterday, and sure enough it was some phrase in Latin. Therefore it's safe for me to assume that the entity was an intelligence other than myself. So it depends on the person's ability, and their own relative objectivity to what happens to them. Not proof on the level of pure scientific testability, but enough for me personally, when added to mounds of similar happenings.
Course, I never "believe" anything 100%. If evidence leans one way, I go with that. When evidence sways a different way, I change the way I think. What I "believe" is based on my knowledge and personal experience, and not pre-conceived notions which contradict all personal and professional evidence available.
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