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I'm going to say this one last time, then I start wielding the pointy stick of dumbass:

BEING UNABLE TO USE MAGIC DOES NOT MAKE ONE IMMUNE TO MAGIC, BUT BEING IMMUNE TO MAGIC MAKES ONE UNABLE TO USE MAGIC.



Who said the gundams are magic immune? Plus, the pilots can't be healed through magical means, whereas the sorcery guild can bring back people who got hit with the planet-destroying twin buster.

Then there's the whole bit about a buick in flight is still a buick in flight, regardless of what launched it.



No, they're just a void in the aether. Magic isn't negated by their presence, they just can't be directly affected by it. Again, that means no positive magical effects work - No potions or healing magic, period.

I'd also expect that as they lived in a world with magic, they would gradually lose their immunity - you know, the whole eating thing.



How is this related to the topic at hand? Combining magic and technology isn't an issue - what has been proposed in no way affects existing RP aside from *possibly* a three-word alteration to their bio.

While having too many rules bogs down RPs, having *no* rules or standards results in people like Osama Bin Laden (Look up the username), and causes even *worse* bogging down from people making pages upon pages of bickering.

So, people who can't use magic, and can't be directly affected by it. Meaning they could just work out a whole bunch and directly affect a mage with their fists. Or blunt weapons. Or sharp weapons. Or guns. Or the high-technology stuff of their world. Or, hell, ninja stuff.

I was under the impression that combining magic and technology WAS the issue - the prospect of gundam users with magic, or the like. People with paralyzing spells and railguns. Heavy tanks and all manner of spells.

Tanasha if you dont mind I just want to comment...

Since this IS a suggestion thread, and as Ive stated its just a theory it is open to reform, but Ive yet to see much actually constructive comments.

Alright so theres a glitch -I never stated infalability- But still the one thing that seems to keep getting stuck in peoples teeth on is magic immunity...

Well perhaps its time we throw out the term for now and address what we actually mean. We obviously cannot Remove the concept of magic immunity as it used far too much and for some its used by several characters as one of their main points of character creation, but likewise we also need to realistically approach the thing thats coming up here.

Do you want to deal with hundreds of magic immune, spell weilding maniacs piloting gundams? no? ...I really didnt think you did...

Thats why there SHOULD -yes I'll say that because its my opinion- be some direct correlation between technology and magic. I honestly consider it a fall in an RP for major technology to incorporate major magic and have peopel not see a thign wrong with the fact that they can get away with as tanasha said "a wizard did it!" but ya know the more I read alot of the associated RP's it dosent matter anymore cause it is hopeless to because long before a combination of those two extremes becomes a problem one side or the other does...

Advanced technology is usually explained in essentially the same way High level wizardy is... 'it just happens' dosent take much creativity now does it? you dont have to understand it In or Out of Character you can just say 'its magic!' or 'in a thousand years its possible!' I suppose its twice the stretch to have both sides admit that 'oh... well maybe we might have to actually think about it' something most gaians seem to have a problem with. I watched this over at a guild I frequent, and Ive seen it hundreds of times before but I guess this time it hit me... the only thing lack of clarification leads to is arguments, and flame baiting, and Im not gonna throw myself in the middle of that. Because in short 'helluva alot of good it does' Im not tired of RPing, simply trying to offer help, its not needed... The genral population falls under the memory-n00b alloy theory that you can try and teach them otherwise and they just spring back to old habits.

A rare day it is when I find someone who understands the material they are talking about... maybe thats why I like talking to Tanasha, because it reminds me that not everyone knows nothing about what they use... I see people useing guns who couldnt tell me the difference between a caliber, and chamber. Ive seen people wield swords and not know what quillions are... but thats too much to ask right? they are just n00bs... nope... these are people who can write excellantly, can understand advanced rp concepts perfectly well but are too lazy to even try and explain how something might work. Its things like that that spawn godmoding, alittle knowledge is dangerous, less is deadly...

If I remember correctly a few months ago when jansviper made a new body for (oh what the bugger was his name) it was basically a magically animated skeleton with plasma cannons and elemental casters, and missiles, or something of the sort...

Back then people claimed it was godmoding because it played both bases, and this was long before I ever mentioned or thought of an inkling of the possibility that maybe magic is not such a mysterious force. Does the magic itself change? I dont care anymore... hell for all I care anymore you can claim magic comes from the machine that spits out hamburger patties in the back of a Mc Donalds, but the thought that maybe theres a way to find balance between major technology and major magic in a guild thats going to have to do that very soon is a pretty damn novel idea.

Maybe Ive just been on the site a bit too long, maybe Ive developed a lack of tollerance for some people, but in all honesty Im not gonna try and corral people who would rather have role playing anarachy... Tanasha I hereby give you official intelectual propety rights... change edit, do whatever... its not perfect, but it might see the light one day. Haveing someone Ive known for longer than some family members support me on one account and bash me on the other hiding behind the account is just depressing... and it really makes me loose some hope.

Yeah I know this really is more of a rant, and no its not directed at you all... infact I wish you all luck but really...I dont see it working for the simple fact its easier to complain than contribute. Sad really...

Peace,
Jay

I really think most of the derision against magic immunity is a tad off-base... There is a LOT of magic that doesn't directly affect the target, but can kill them anyway:

Necromancy: Magically-created undead are still physical creatures, although liches, wraiths, and vampires are a bit less of a problem if they can't use thier stat/level drain abilities.

Levetation: Lift roct, throw rock.

Any spell involving fire: You can't generate heat inside their body, but heat made outside the body is still heat, and nobody can live without oxygen.

Any spell involving ice: Again, trap them in ice, sap their strength with the cold, etc...

Psionics: You can't hit them directly, but you can make somebody stab them.

There's more than one way to skin a cat, and if you can't use your knife then you can always drag them behind a car.

No, those scale too.

If the tank isn't magic immune, flip the tank, short it's wires, ignite it's fule, cook-off it's ammo, etc...
If the tank is magic immune (Meaning it would be very expensive, as all it's materials and crew would have to come from a completely different dimension), then plug the various weapon holes, set fire to the air around it, shuft the ground below it, hit it with a buick, etc...

I have thought about this.

You also need to keep in mind the scale - pitting *anybody* against a tank is not a fair matchup, the tank is *supposed* to win. To compare a tank to a mage is like comparing a capital ship to a mech - the mech deserves it's death, because the pilot is too stupid to realize it's not wise to fight something the size of a city in something the size of a small building; you have suggested an apples to deathstars comparison.

If, however, you pit that tank up against a rock golem, the tank will be smashed into dust like nobody's buisness. This is because a person is not in the same class as a tank, but the magical equivelent of a tank IS. Apples to apples, magic STILL kicks the a** of magic-immune, and magic-immune can't even heal-up as fast or as well after the trouncing.



Ah, the classic "Universal solvent" problem, to which nobody seems to know the answer.

Little hint: Mix it when you use it, don't store it prepared. (Of course, magnetic containment would also work.)

Ok my post was eaten up by Gaia crapping out and Im pretty pissed about that right now so I will make this short and simple.

Guild Home page needs to get future new members attention, one or two sentences wont work, maybe pictures or something can help...the ASDF recruitment center has pretty much died, and yeh Im thinking of what to put on the home page too. *poofs cursing underbreath at Gaia*

i'll be sure to remember that when i want to make some who upset me sit on the toilet for an hour... or a good way to get guards to leave there posts.