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 Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:20 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Tifa wasn't included in KH1, but Aerith sure was. That's right. Tifa was not included during the first game when Cloud's entire sidequest involved him searching for "someone" and trying to find the "light". Tifa wasn't there. She wasn't mentioned. Nada. In fact, Cloud's sidequest ended during the KH credits when he was shown reuniting with Aerith. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, then it means Cloud was searching for Aerith. She was that special someone. She is his light. It would have been really easy for the creators to throw in a cameo for Tifa and show Cloud reuniting with her in the credits instead of Aerith, but, guess what? They didn't want to. That should tell you something. Your saying this as if Clouds light quest was over in the first game when in fact he was still searching for his light in the second one. IE Tifa .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa's light blinds Cloud/Tifa's light isn't suitable for Cloud. When Tifa first approached Cloud, her light blinded him. He covered his eyes and winced away from it as if it pained him. Light doesn't usually cause Cloud pain. When Hollow Bastion was transformed into Radiant Garden, that light didn't bother Cloud at all. This should make it pretty clear that Tifa's light is too bright for Cloud. It isn't suitable for him at all. Cloud's own inner light was a much more subdued gold, not the bright white of Tifa's light. This is just one more reason why Aerith, who is a stable being with both darkness and light, is more compatible with Cloud than Tifa. Oh yes the blinding part. It was obviously Sephiroth trying to get Cloud to embrace his darkness. Didn’t you ever notice that the reaction he had at that moment was the same reaction as when he had Geostigma in AC and every time he had a Geostigma attack he saw Sephiroth’s face. Also Tifa offered her light to Cloud only after that little episode so it couldn’t have been her light that was doing it. .[.pink.spider.]. also when did i even mention 'the promise' in this statement? That was mentioned because It was one of the many times you seem to over exaggerate Tifa’s character. I could have mentioned more but I decided not to. .[.pink.spider.]. how do I make her out to be a bad person? all I said is she was boring unlike someone who dislikes someone because of their looks I said that Aeris has a flat chest, spiky bangs, and has big hips but despite all of that I think she’s very pretty and for your information my favorite color has been pink since the day I was born. I hate Aeris for her Mary Sue character personality and many other reasons that I won’t bother to go into. .[.pink.spider.]. For instance "give in to the good will of others and something big will happen" could refer to Cloud's cold exterior being melted away by the kind nature of Aerith. Cloud did not seem to care for anyone or anything until after he met Aerith. Aerith was the only one who could get Cloud to open up and care. So, what was the big thing that happened? It could be referring to Cloud falling in love with Aerith. It could be referring to Cloud caring enough for Aerith and the planet to fight Sephiroth and help save the world. It could be referring to many big things that happened during the course of FFVII. So, is this prediction wrong? No. Again your interpretation dose not count as evidence to Cloud and Aeris being cannon. And unless you didn’t notes Cloud was emo to everyone including Aeris (I could mention a few times.) for almost the whole game until he got his memories back thanks to Tifa. .[.pink.spider.]. "Be careful of forgetfulness" is a fortune of great importance for Cloud. After all, he forgot about his life as a common grunt in SOLDIER and started believing he had been living the life of SOLDIER First Class, Zack. Is this prediction wrong? No. How is this an accurate prediction? A prediction is about something that will happen in the future so how can Cloud be careful of forgetfulness when he has already forgotten about everything. This isn’t a prediction this is just merely advice. .[.pink.spider.]. "Your lucky color is... blue?" Well, Cloud did wear blue all the time in FFVII. XD Not to mention, he has amazing blue Mako eyes. So, is this prediction wrong? Well, no. This isn’t even a prediction and is completely irrelevant to anything in the game. .[.pink.spider.]. "What you pursue will be yours." This could be referring to the Black Materia, but, personally, I think it is referring to Sephiroth. After all, Cloud was chasing Sephiroth down during the events of FFVII. And he did catch up with him. Again, this prediction doesn't appear wrong at all. This statement is too vague to be neither wrong nor right and again seems to lack any relevance what so ever. .[.pink.spider.]. "But you will lose something dear." This was Cait Sith’s one and only relevant and true predictions. .[.pink.spider.]. What was the price Cloud paid for hunting down Sephiroth? He lost Aerith, the one most dear to him. Yes Aeris was dear to him but not most dear. Again your opinion doesn’t count as evidence. .[.pink.spider.]. Once again, we see that Cait Sith's predictions are not wrong. He didn't know what or who Cloud would lose, but he called it right. Just because he got one right doesn’t make the rest of what he said true or even relevant for that matter. .[.pink.spider.]. "This isn't good. I can't say it. Poor Tifa." Why would Cait Sith feel bad for Tifa? Read on... "Looks good. You are perfect for each other! Aeris's star and Cloud's star!" Funny, CloTis think the stars show Cloud's love for Tifa. Looks like you guys were wrong again. XD More like Cait Sith was wrong because if their stars shoed that they were perfect of each other then they would have been together in the end. .[.pink.spider.]. "They show a great future!" How was Cait Sith to know what Aerith would be the "something dear" that Cloud lost? This prediction shows that, if Aerith had not died, she and Cloud would have had a wonderful life ahead of them. Well if Caith Sith’s predictions were so right then they wouldn’t contradicted each other would they. So I guess he’s still wrong. Not to mention Caith Sith (who was really Reevs) really liked Aeris (As a person). It’s quite obvious because of the way he acts around her. So he most likely made up a prediction to make her happy. .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa offers her light to Cloud. What they don't tell you is that Cloud is dubious about the whole thing and actually does not accept Tifa's light. He actually begins to glow from within. It is pretty obvious to me that Cloud has found his inner light, because it is gold in hue, not white like Tifa's. Plus, we never see anything transfer from Tifa to Cloud, since he never accepted her light to begin with. Just because Tifa offers her light to Cloud does not make her Cloud's light. Everyone in the world of KH has light and darkness in their hearts, even Cloud. This is Tifa's light she is offering him, referring to it as "my light", not "your light". It is not Cloud's light or she would have said "Let me give you your light" rather than "Let me give you my light". Cloud's entire sidequest is about him facing his darkness (Sephiroth) and finding his own inner light. When Cloud was leaving, Sora said to Aerith, "He'll be fine. I'm sure there's some light in him somewhere." They are talking about inner light, people, not a person who is his light. Yes I’m sure that Cloud has some inner light or else he would be evil like Sephiroth however it seems that his own light isn’t enough to defeat the darkness within himself so Tifa gives Cloud her light so that he has the strength to fight the darkness within. So it’s a combination of Cloud’s inner light and Tifa’s light. I mean how obvious dose it have to be Tifa says “Let me give you my light” then Cloud glows and suddenly has the strength to fight Sephiroth. She gave her light to Cloud and he excepted it. .[.pink.spider.]. In case you didn't catch that in KH1, that person who is Cloud's light in a romantic sense is Aerith, much in the same way that Kairi is Sora's light and yet Sora also has his own inner light. Again your opinion is dose not count as proof. .[.pink.spider.]. and no he did not talk to the to them you can look at expression gestures and such and its not like I meant that Cloud talked oh so evily towards Tifa but when they talk is there ever any real affection, beyond friendship? No Again your opinion and he sounded the same talking to both Aeris and Tifa. .[.pink.spider.]. [and some more rereading for you] In fact, back when we were working on KH:FM, some of the staff members wanted to have Tifa show up. They said 'Battling with Tifa would be fun, in a melee sense' and originally wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa (into KH:FM) but due to tight schedules we could only go with one character so we inserted Sephiroth into KH:FM. Because of that, we decided to let Tifa show up in this game [Kingdom Hearts 2]." Just because Tifa was going to be a battling partner doesn’t mean that that was going to be her only role in the game. .[.pink.spider.]. So, is there anything in here about Tifa being Cloud's light? Nope. Is there anything in here about Tifa being the one Cloud was searching for? Nope. More than likely, Tifa's role would have been similar to her role in KH2. Oh but is their anything to say that Aeris is Cloud’s light? No. Is their anything to say that Aeris was the one he was searching for? No. Well that little rant went no where. .[.pink.spider.]. However, it is also possible, since they only mentioned "battling" in regards to Tifa, that she was merely to be another fighting opponent in the Colisseum. Regardless of what her role was, it doesn't change the fact that Cloud was still reunited with Aerith in the credits. It doesn't change the fact that Aerith is that "someone" Cloud was looking for and, logically, that must make her his "light". First of all Cloud wasn’t reuniting with anyone he merely stood there for five seconds as Aeris leaned over to get a better look at his face. He didn’t look happy to see her nor did he look disgusted. So what dose that mean? Absolutely nothing. Also for the seventh time your interpretation don’t count as proof. .[.pink.spider.]. I think that while you can say that FFVII was "left up to the interpretation of the player", it is pretty clear who the creators of Final Fantasy consider the true and intended couple of FFVII. Your opinion. Opinion opinion opinion. Not proof .[.pink.spider.]. When asked what he wanted to portray in KH, Nomura stated that he wanted to show that people were not physically connected and that, even when apart, people could still be connected. In other words, Nomura wanted to show a connection of the spiritual kind, a connection of the soul. He wanted to show that, even though people are apart, they can still be together. This is shown with Sora and Kairi in KH, Yes this is true. .[.pink.spider.]. and it was shown with Cloud and Aerith in FFVII (Cloud was able to feel Aerith's presence in the Lifestream after she was killed, Cloud was able to speak with Aerith in his dreams-- both are symbols of soul mates to the Japanese) and FFVII: AC If you don’t remember the children can feel Aeris’s presence to so I guess that means that Aeris is romantic sole mates with every child in Midgar not to mention that even though Tifa can’t see oh hear Aeris it’s seen in AC and in On the way to a Smile that even she has a conection to Aeris. Oooooooooo TifaxAeris proofs. .[.pink.spider.]. (Cloud and Aerith were shown to have a very deep bond and it was confirmed by the creators (FFVII: AC -Reunion Files-) that Aerith's consciousness lives on inside Cloud). Well Cloud dose call Aeris mother so yeah they have a very deep mother and son bond together. .[.pink.spider.]. So, what does this interview mean? Well, it is Nomura being vague as usual. The CloTis like to use the "more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship" to mean that Cloud and Tifa were to be shown as a romantic couple. I find this ludicrous because Cloud is portrayed as running and hiding from Tifa. There you go again making Tifa look like a bad person. Poor Cloud he keeps hiding from the big bad Tifa. You obviously didn’t read anything I wrote so here is some rereading for you. Did it ever accrue to you that maybe Cloud didn’t want Tifa to find him because he didn’t want her to get involved with Sephiroth. Maybe if Cloud knew that Tifa was his light he wouldn’t have been hiding. Again I bet you never thought of that because you have Cleris tunnel vision. .[.pink.spider.]. XD He never shows any affection toward her at all (unlike the cute scene he has with Aerith where he promises to return to her). Cloud never said he’s going to return to her he says that he’s merely going to come back to Halow Bason. Tifa can be considered a resident of Halow Bason so he could very well be returning to Tifa for all you know. Also I don’t know how many times I’ll have to say this but as long as you portray your opinion as if it were proof I will keep saying the same thing. .[.pink.spider.]. So, this mysterious "CloTi scene" was probably anything but romantic. Oh you say this as if you might actually know what the scene entailed. .[.pink.spider.]. In fact, for all anyone knows, it could have given "a more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship" in the sense that is showed them as friends only, and that their relationship was completely platonic. Hell, for all we know, it could have shown Cloud leaving with Aerith and Tifa standing there alone. That would have definitely been a "definite for Cloud and Tifa's relationship" because it would not have left any question over who Cloud's romantic interest was. So, what is Nomura saying here? Well, like I said, he's being vague. But, it is certainly not pro-CloTi or pro-ClAeris unless you completely twist his words. This is true but for all you know it could very well be that their were Clotif intentions. It could go either way and I never said that his statement meant otherwise. .[.pink.spider.]. Another part of the interview CloTis are using is the line: "For example, in the sense of 'if Sephiroth is darkness to Cloud, then the light is Tifa'..." CloTis think Nomura is saying that Tifa is Cloud's light, but he really isn't. All Nomura is talking about are different player interpretations. He never said if this was a correct interpretation, but it is one that some players will have (*cough*CloTis*cough*) and he knows that. He is simply saying "if you want to take it this way, then go right ahead". I even asked Vilaeth, the site translator for adventchildren.net about this and he said that this was a correct translation. So, no Nomura never said that Tifa is Cloud's light. Really, all he was saying is that you can interpret Tifa as being "light". Not "Cloud's light", but "light". And, you know, during the battles with Sephiroth, Tifa just might represent light. She certainly has more of it than Sephiroth and even has more than Cloud, who has swayed to the darkness before. It still does not mean that she is Cloud's light. If Yuffie were there offering Cloud aid by giving him some of her light, there wouldn't even be a debate about their relationship. I find this whole thing ridiculous. I mean, in KH:CoM, Mickey gave Riku some of his (Mickey's) light to help him (Riku) and no one started clamoring about MickeyxRiku. Honestly, people Ok well if this is true then it doesn’t matter who Clouds light is because it has nothing to do with romantic intentions. So Aeris could be Clouds light and he could still be in love with Tifa or vice versa. So then that means theirs nothing romantic between Cloud and Aeris or Cloud and Tifa.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:35 am
RanmaxHikaru .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa wasn't included in KH1, but Aerith sure was. That's right. Tifa was not included during the first game when Cloud's entire sidequest involved him searching for "someone" and trying to find the "light". Tifa wasn't there. She wasn't mentioned. Nada. In fact, Cloud's sidequest ended during the KH credits when he was shown reuniting with Aerith. If you follow this to its logical conclusion, then it means Cloud was searching for Aerith. She was that special someone. She is his light. It would have been really easy for the creators to throw in a cameo for Tifa and show Cloud reuniting with her in the credits instead of Aerith, but, guess what? They didn't want to. That should tell you something. RanmaxHikaru Your saying this as if Clouds light quest was over in the first game when in fact he was still searching for his light in the second one. IE Tifa If Tifa was Cloud's light, she would have appeared in KH1 while he was actually searching for his light. Instead Cloud is shown to find Aerith in the end. And, in KH2, he no longer has his artifacts of darkness (the wing and mechanical arm). I attribute this to Cloud finding his light in KH1. If Tifa was Cloud's light, wouldn't he be happy to see her? Instead, Cloud ignores her to chase after Sephiroth, leaving her to fight alone. .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa's light blinds Cloud/Tifa's light isn't suitable for Cloud. When Tifa first approached Cloud, her light blinded him. He covered his eyes and winced away from it as if it pained him. Light doesn't usually cause Cloud pain. When Hollow Bastion was transformed into Radiant Garden, that light didn't bother Cloud at all. This should make it pretty clear that Tifa's light is too bright for Cloud. It isn't suitable for him at all. Cloud's own inner light was a much more subdued gold, not the bright white of Tifa's light. This is just one more reason why Aerith, who is a stable being with both darkness and light, is more compatible with Cloud than Tifa. RanmaxHikaru Oh yes the blinding part. It was obviously Sephiroth trying to get Cloud to embrace his darkness. Didn’t you ever notice that the reaction he had at that moment was the same reaction as when he had Geostigma in AC and every time he had a Geostigma attack he saw Sephiroth’s face. Also Tifa offered her light to Cloud only after that little episode so it couldn’t have been her light that was doing it. that really makes no sense sweatdrop geostigma has nothing at all to do with the light scene or Kingdom Hearts, also when Cloud is blinded sepiroth isnt shown smirking or something. so obviously that means that Tifa's light, not Cloud's, is not suited for him! .[.pink.spider.]. Once again, we see that Cait Sith's predictions are not wrong. He didn't know what or who Cloud would lose, but he called it right. RanmaxHikaru Just because he got one right doesn’t make the rest of what he said true or even relevant for that matter. well when you think about it you cant call any of his prediction's wrong because it really is left up to how you interpret it so most of them were relevant maybe not o so obvious but they were relevent .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa offers her light to Cloud. What they don't tell you is that Cloud is dubious about the whole thing and actually does not accept Tifa's light. He actually begins to glow from within. It is pretty obvious to me that Cloud has found his inner light, because it is gold in hue, not white like Tifa's. Plus, we never see anything transfer from Tifa to Cloud, since he never accepted her light to begin with. Just because Tifa offers her light to Cloud does not make her Cloud's light. Everyone in the world of KH has light and darkness in their hearts, even Cloud. This is Tifa's light she is offering him, referring to it as "my light", not "your light". It is not Cloud's light or she would have said "Let me give you your light" rather than "Let me give you my light". Cloud's entire sidequest is about him facing his darkness (Sephiroth) and finding his own inner light. When Cloud was leaving, Sora said to Aerith, "He'll be fine. I'm sure there's some light in him somewhere." They are talking about inner light, people, not a person who is his light. RanmaxHikaru Yes I’m sure that Cloud has some inner light or else he would be evil like Sephiroth however it seems that his own light isn’t enough to defeat the darkness within himself so Tifa gives Cloud her light so that he has the strength to fight the darkness within. So it’s a combination of Cloud’s inner light and Tifa’s light. I mean how obvious dose it have to be Tifa says “Let me give you my light” then Cloud glows and suddenly has the strength to fight Sephiroth. She gave her light to Cloud and he excepted it. but you see there is no combonation. as I said is there any transfer of light from Tifa to Cloud no so that means he did not accept her light. instead Tifa more of reminded him to look inside himself and find his own light. you see she sees 'my light' not here Cloud this is your light! she offers him hers but he doesnt accept he finds his own light .[.pink.spider.]. [and some more rereading for you] In fact, back when we were working on KH:FM, some of the staff members wanted to have Tifa show up. They said 'Battling with Tifa would be fun, in a melee sense' and originally wanted to add both Sephiroth and Tifa (into KH:FM) but due to tight schedules we could only go with one character so we inserted Sephiroth into KH:FM. Because of that, we decided to let Tifa show up in this game [Kingdom Hearts 2]." RanmaxHikaru Just because Tifa was going to be a battling partner doesn’t mean that that was going to be her only role in the game. well that means that, that is the reason why she was featured in KH2 for battle purposes .[.pink.spider.]. So, is there anything in here about Tifa being Cloud's light? Nope. Is there anything in here about Tifa being the one Cloud was searching for? Nope. More than likely, Tifa's role would have been similar to her role in KH2. RanmaxHikaru Oh but is their anything to say that Aeris is Cloud’s light? No. Is their anything to say that Aeris was the one he was searching for? No. Well that little rant went no where. no but you see there is much more proof that Aerith could be Cloud's light because I've already proved to you that Tifa isnt .[.pink.spider.]. When asked what he wanted to portray in KH, Nomura stated that he wanted to show that people were not physically connected and that, even when apart, people could still be connected. In other words, Nomura wanted to show a connection of the spiritual kind, a connection of the soul. He wanted to show that, even though people are apart, they can still be together. This is shown with Sora and Kairi in KH, if you agree then why the hell do you keep saying that Tifa is CLoud's light xD here is something to prove that Aerith and Cloud are connected not Tifa Tifa and Cloud are not shown to have any type of spiritual connection, but Cloud and Aerith are. First of all, Cloud and Aerith were portrayed in KH1 whose entire theme was about "connections". Second of all, in KH:FM, Aerith asked Sora if he'd seen a "spikey-haired guy" at the Colisseum. Aerith was an entire world away! And yet she still seemed to know where Cloud was? The only reason Cloud had trouble finding Aerith was because he "lost his way in the darkness" and "couldn't find the light" (*cough*Aerith*cough*). Also, at the end of KH2, Aerith is last shown sitting in the exact same place you last see Cloud fighting Sephiroth with a little smile on her face, waiting for Cloud to return. How did she know? She wasn't even there during the battle! Now compare this with Tifa, who blundered around in town the whole damn time trying to find Cloud when he was right under her nose a few screens away. She was kicking walls, looking under desks... It was really pathetic considering Cloud was hanging around in the same town. Aerith knew where Cloud was when she was in a completely different world and yet Tifa can't find him when he is in the same town??? Guess who Cloud is connected with (it starts with an "A")? .[.pink.spider.]. and it was shown with Cloud and Aerith in FFVII (Cloud was able to feel Aerith's presence in the Lifestream after she was killed, Cloud was able to speak with Aerith in his dreams-- both are symbols of soul mates to the Japanese) and FFVII: AC RanmaxHikaru If you don’t remember the children can feel Aeris’s presence to so I guess that means that Aeris is romantic sole mates with every child in Midgar not to mention that even though Tifa can’t see oh hear Aeris it’s seen in AC and in On the way to a Smile that even she has a conection to Aeris. Oooooooooo TifaxAeris proofs. the way Cloud feels her presense is different from everyone else. of course people who knew her will acknowledge her but if you notice Cloud has always been looking for. main proof for that would be the ending of FFVII 'he said I think I can meet her there' .[.pink.spider.]. (Cloud and Aerith were shown to have a very deep bond and it was confirmed by the creators (FFVII: AC -Reunion Files-) that Aerith's consciousness lives on inside Cloud). RanmaxHikaru Well Cloud dose call Aeris mother so yeah they have a very deep mother and son bond together. um if you didnt get that, it was a joke .[.pink.spider.]. So, what does this interview mean? Well, it is Nomura being vague as usual. The CloTis like to use the "more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship" to mean that Cloud and Tifa were to be shown as a romantic couple. I find this ludicrous because Cloud is portrayed as running and hiding from Tifa. RanmaxHikaru There you go again making Tifa look like a bad person. Poor Cloud he keeps hiding from the big bad Tifa. You obviously didn’t read anything I wrote so here is some rereading for you. Did it ever accrue to you that maybe Cloud didn’t want Tifa to find him because he didn’t want her to get involved with Sephiroth. Maybe if Cloud knew that Tifa was his light he wouldn’t have been hiding. Again I bet you never thought of that because you have Cleris tunnel vision. hmm well maybe if Cloud didnt want to get her involved maybe he would actually go up to her and say 'tifa I dont want you to get hurt' but does he do this? no do they ever even talk in the game? no .[.pink.spider.]. In fact, for all anyone knows, it could have given "a more definite to Cloud and Tifa's relationship" in the sense that is showed them as friends only, and that their relationship was completely platonic. Hell, for all we know, it could have shown Cloud leaving with Aerith and Tifa standing there alone. That would have definitely been a "definite for Cloud and Tifa's relationship" because it would not have left any question over who Cloud's romantic interest was. So, what is Nomura saying here? Well, like I said, he's being vague. But, it is certainly not pro-CloTi or pro-ClAeris unless you completely twist his words. This is true but for all you know it could very well be that their were Clotif intentions. It could go either way and I never said that his statement meant otherwise. .[.pink.spider.]. Another part of the interview CloTis are using is the line: "For example, in the sense of 'if Sephiroth is darkness to Cloud, then the light is Tifa'..." CloTis think Nomura is saying that Tifa is Cloud's light, but he really isn't. All Nomura is talking about are different player interpretations. He never said if this was a correct interpretation, but it is one that some players will have (*cough*CloTis*cough*) and he knows that. He is simply saying "if you want to take it this way, then go right ahead". I even asked Vilaeth, the site translator for adventchildren.net about this and he said that this was a correct translation. So, no Nomura never said that Tifa is Cloud's light. Really, all he was saying is that you can interpret Tifa as being "light". Not "Cloud's light", but "light". And, you know, during the battles with Sephiroth, Tifa just might represent light. She certainly has more of it than Sephiroth and even has more than Cloud, who has swayed to the darkness before. It still does not mean that she is Cloud's light. If Yuffie were there offering Cloud aid by giving him some of her light, there wouldn't even be a debate about their relationship. I find this whole thing ridiculous. I mean, in KH:CoM, Mickey gave Riku some of his (Mickey's) light to help him (Riku) and no one started clamoring about MickeyxRiku. Honestly, people RanmaxHikaru Ok well if this is true then it doesn’t matter who Clouds light is because it has nothing to do with romantic intentions. So Aeris could be Clouds light and he could still be in love with Tifa or vice versa. So then that means theirs nothing romantic between Cloud and Aeris or Cloud and Tifa. ok good so there is no discussion the point of this was to prove that Tifa is not cloud's light it is far more likely that Aerith is
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:48 pm
i dont think cloud really liked liked either aeris or tifa. i think that he was really good friends with both of them. that plus i dont think that cloud was ready for a relationship for any of them at first since he was so sick.
SPOILER.... i heard somewhere that before zack died aeris was dating him but after zack died she formed a crush for cloud. but dont qoute me cause im not sure. thats just what i heard.
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:38 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 4:15 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. If Tifa was Cloud's light, she would have appeared in KH1 while he was actually searching for his light. Instead Cloud is shown to find Aerith in the end. And, in KH2, he no longer has his artifacts of darkness (the wing and mechanical arm). First of all just because Tifa didn’t show up in KH1 doesn’t mean that she’s not his light. Second Cloud’s artifacts of darkness as you call them have nothing to do with him finding his light. The character AC outfits were so popular that SE decided to put Cloud, Yuffe, and Tifa in the same outfits for KH2. Finally who are you to say that Cloud wasn’t still looking for his light in the KH2. Just because Cloud doesn’t say “I’m still looking for my light” doesn’t mean that he isn’t. No one said that he ever stopped looking for his light. .[.pink.spider.]. well when you think about it you cant call any of his prediction's wrong because it really is left up to how you interpret it so most of them were relevant maybe not o so obvious but they were relevent Cait Sith only had two predictions that even mattered to the plot of the storyline. I mean come on “Your lucky color is blue” how is that relevant to anything? I will admit there are proof’s to support the AerisxCloud paring but Caith Sith and his crapy predictions is not one of them. .[.pink.spider.]. but you see there is no combonation. as I said is there any transfer of light from Tifa to Cloud no so that means he did not accept her light. instead Tifa more of reminded him to look inside himself and find his own light. you see she sees 'my light' not here Cloud this is your light! she offers him hers but he doesnt accept he finds his own light Are you kidding there is a transfer. Tifa says “You can use my light” Cloud then glows with light right after she says that, then goes to fight Sephieroth how obvious dose it have to be. Just because their wasn’t a ball of light that went from Tifa to Cloud doesn’t mean that their wasn’t a transfer. And who says that Cloud didn’t accept Tifa’s light. I think it’s about the blinding crap again. Like I said before Tifa didn’t offer her light to him until after the blinding incident. So it wasn’t her light blinding him. Also you just disproved your own theory of Aeris being Cloud’s light with this statement because there is no transfer of light from Aeris to Cloud either. .[.pink.spider.]. well that means that, that is the reason why she was featured in KH2 for battle purposes No this means that it was only one of the reasons she was put in KH2. .[.pink.spider.]. no but you see there is much more proof that Aerith could be Cloud's light because I've already proved to you that Tifa isn’t You haven’t proved anything except your own opinion of how certain event’s In KH1 and KH2 went down. .[.pink.spider.]. If you agree then why the hell do you keep saying that Tifa is CLoud's light xD That was because you were referring to Sora and Kiri not Cloud and Tifa. .[.pink.spider.]. here is something to prove that Aerith and Cloud are connected not Tifa Tifa and Cloud are not shown to have any type of spiritual connection, but Cloud and Aerith are. First of all, Cloud and Aerith were portrayed in KH1 whose entire theme was about "connections". The entire KH compilation is about connections not just KH1 and again just because Tifa wasn’t in KH1 doesn’t mean that she’s not Clouds light. .[.pink.spider.]. Second of all, in KH:FM, Aerith asked Sora if he'd seen a "spikey-haired guy" at the Colisseum. Aerith was an entire world away! And yet she still seemed to know where Cloud was? If Aeris knew Cloud was there then why would she have to ask Sora if he has seen him? Not to mention who knows how meany worlds she went to before she finaly got to that one. .[.pink.spider.]. The only reason Cloud had trouble finding Aerith was because he "lost his way in the darkness" and "couldn't find the light" (*cough*Aerith*cough*). Your opinion is not proof. .[.pink.spider.]. Also, at the end of KH2, Aerith is last shown sitting in the exact same place you last see Cloud fighting Sephiroth with a little smile on her face, waiting for Cloud to return. How did she know? She wasn't even there during the battle! Aeris is a resident of Hallow Bason. I’m sure she could have asked Squall, Yuffe, exedra when they last saw Cloud. .[.pink.spider.]. Now compare this with Tifa, who blundered around in town the whole damn time trying to find Cloud when he was right under her nose a few screens away. She was kicking walls, looking under desks... It was really pathetic considering Cloud was hanging around in the same town. Aerith knew where Cloud was when she was in a completely different world and yet Tifa can't find him when he is in the same town??? Again Aeris didn’t know where Cloud was either or else she wouldnt have had to ask Sora. .[.pink.spider.]. Guess who Cloud is connected with (it starts with an "A")? Again your opinion is not proof. .[.pink.spider.]. the way Cloud feels her presense is different from everyone else. of course people who knew her will acknowledge her but if you notice Cloud has always been looking for. main proof for that would be the ending of FFVII 'he said I think I can meet her there' Just because he wanted to meet his dead friend again doesn’t mean that he’s still looking for her. And how is his connection with Aeris different from the Children of Midgar. They can all see, hear and feel her the same as Cloud dose. Not to mention that Cloud can see, feel, and hear Zack just the same as Aeris. So in that case he must have the same spiritual connection to Zack as he dose with Aeris. .[.pink.spider.]. um if you didnt get that, it was a joke Aeris took it as a joke but I didn’t see Cloud laughing about it. It’s painfully clear what happened; Cloud went to the life stream, felt Aeris’s presents, and called her mother. And what’s wrong with Cloud seeing Aeris as a mother figure. As much as I hate Aeris I actually think it’s cute that he sees her as a mother figure. .[.pink.spider.]. hmm well maybe if Cloud didnt want to get her involved maybe he would actually go up to her and say 'tifa I dont want you to get hurt' but does he do this? no do they ever even talk in the game? no Well that’s obvious. Tifa is the kind of person that will help out the ones she loves even if it endangers her own life. So even if Cloud went up to her and said “Tifa I don’t want you to get hurt” she would try to object because she wants to help him which is more then I can say for Aeris. Cloud knows that Tifa wants to help but also knows that she will object if he tells her not to. Anyway this is my reasoning but neither my reasoning or yours can be proven right or wrong. .[.pink.spider.]. ok good so there is no discussion the point of this was to prove that Tifa is not cloud's light it is far more likely that Aerith is You talk about Clouds light as if it has to be connected to someone he loves romantically as you have used Sora and Kairi as examples. So basically your theory is that Cloud loves Aeris therefore she is his light. Wrong. The light is about a connection between two people. The creators never said the connection had to be romantic if it was that would mean that Mickey and Riku are love with each other because Mickey gave Riku his light. It’s painfully obvious that Tifa gave Cloud her light and he excepted but that doesn’t mean that he is in love with her but this doesn’t mean he is in love with Aeris either. So even if you took the light thing out of the equation there is almost no evidence to say that Cloud is in love with either girl. Again the creators leave it up to the player to interpret their own conclusion. Sephiroth_Gabriel i dont think cloud really liked liked either aeris or tifa. i think that he was really good friends with both of them. that plus i dont think that cloud was ready for a relationship for any of them at first since he was so sick. SPOILER.... i heard somewhere that before zack died aeris was dating him but after zack died she formed a crush for cloud. but dont qoute me cause im not sure. thats just what i heard. I guess that could be a possible conclusion
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:14 pm
Tifa all the way!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:33 pm
LunarSong StrawberrieIceCream RanmaxHikaru LunarSong About that AerisXCloud video... It was really sweet, though I'm not a fan of the pair for many particular reasons. It has nothing to do with my certain... *biterness* towards Aeris or anything like that. *possible KH2 spoilers ahead?*Cloud and Tifa is my belief. Especially the shock in KH2 to AerisXCloud lovers. Where Cloud kept ranting about finding his 'light'. Heh, I remember all the AerisXCloud lovers saying 'Aww, Aeris is definitely his light' and then, in the end, it turned out to be Tifa. I think Cloud and Tifa definitely have a stronger bond, Cloud did so much for Tifa, and she's done so much for him. They've also known eachother longer. I think Tifa and Aeris both understand him, and care very much about him--- and I both think they have a fair chance, I just believe that it's most definitely... TifaXCloud. The scene where Tifa leans up next to Cloud in a 'comforting' situation.. The way they sat under the stars as kids-- this is classic first love. *my opinon* -Yes, I am aware that KH2 messes a lot of the FF plots up, making it not a reliable source ><' Kay? Just saying.. why wasn't Aeris his light, hmm?-
Also, something that I suspect is that Aeris might have been 'attracted' to Cloud only because she saw Zack in him. Yes, I know later on she says this and that about really *knowing the real Cloud*, but Cloud STILL reminded her of Zack in the first place, and taking that in AC she's walking away WITH Zack is definitely hinting at something? The way she jokes about Cloud: "This one is too big to adopt", saying she's more of a figure that watches over him?
I also get the impression that it seems like Cloud loves Aeris when in fact, it is mistaken for his guilty feelings. He is constantly thinking of Aeris because he feels guilty about her. And, many fans of the CloudXAeris realationship mistake that for love. :/ Even if Aeris were living, I'd still say that Tifa would have more of a chance with Cloud.
Kay', I'm done. ^-^ Thank you so much you have put it vary beautiful and eloquently. Also every CloudxAeris fan seems to forget that Cloud called her mother so yes Cloud dose love Aeris as a mother figure
Accepting Kingdom Hearts's events as canon would also mean accepting that Squall and the other Final Fantasy cast members (excluding those from Twilight Town and that tropical island) all come from the same world which was attacked by Heartless.
I do not recall Heartless playing a pivotal role, if any, in Final Fantasy VII or VIII, therefore I do not consider it to be canon to any of the Final Fantasy games.
Even if Kingdom Hearts was never made, I think that Cloud and Tifa STILL have much more evidence to back my belief of their realationship up with.
As for Pink Spider, again you just give us pure opinion, and nothing really factual. Your whole 'Tifa wasn't in the first KH' argument is useless, because the only reason Cloud and Aerith were in there, as well as the other Final Fantasy characters who appeared in particular, was due to their popularity. Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth, and Squall are some of the most popular Final Fantasy characters, period, so they were obviously going to make a cameo appearance in the game. To assume that this is supposed to refer to who Cloud would end up with is silly. Why?
Because Cloud doesn't end up with anyone, period. Oh, he definitely had feelings for either girl at one point or another, but does it officially show Cloud as a couple or having been a couple with any of the girls? Nope. Kingdom Hearts is NOT canon for any Cloud pairing, so bringing up Kingdom Hearts will prove nothing, since not only is it a separate universe in it's own self, it's also loaded with fanservice.
You know, fanservice such as cameo appearances by the Final Fantasy characters.
As a plea to both Cleris and Cloti worshippers alike: Please stop twisting game facts around in knots just so that you can make it seem like your pairing works. It is not necessary, since there is nothing wrong with liking your pairing. Acting all haughty about it, trying to shove it down other's throats while attempting to pass it off as canon, is NOT.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:31 am
heart AERITH!!!!!! heart who dosent love her????
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:07 pm
StrawberrieIceCream LunarSong StrawberrieIceCream RanmaxHikaru LunarSong About that AerisXCloud video... It was really sweet, though I'm not a fan of the pair for many particular reasons. It has nothing to do with my certain... *biterness* towards Aeris or anything like that. *possible KH2 spoilers ahead?*Cloud and Tifa is my belief. Especially the shock in KH2 to AerisXCloud lovers. Where Cloud kept ranting about finding his 'light'. Heh, I remember all the AerisXCloud lovers saying 'Aww, Aeris is definitely his light' and then, in the end, it turned out to be Tifa. I think Cloud and Tifa definitely have a stronger bond, Cloud did so much for Tifa, and she's done so much for him. They've also known eachother longer. I think Tifa and Aeris both understand him, and care very much about him--- and I both think they have a fair chance, I just believe that it's most definitely... TifaXCloud. The scene where Tifa leans up next to Cloud in a 'comforting' situation.. The way they sat under the stars as kids-- this is classic first love. *my opinon* -Yes, I am aware that KH2 messes a lot of the FF plots up, making it not a reliable source ><' Kay? Just saying.. why wasn't Aeris his light, hmm?-
Also, something that I suspect is that Aeris might have been 'attracted' to Cloud only because she saw Zack in him. Yes, I know later on she says this and that about really *knowing the real Cloud*, but Cloud STILL reminded her of Zack in the first place, and taking that in AC she's walking away WITH Zack is definitely hinting at something? The way she jokes about Cloud: "This one is too big to adopt", saying she's more of a figure that watches over him?
I also get the impression that it seems like Cloud loves Aeris when in fact, it is mistaken for his guilty feelings. He is constantly thinking of Aeris because he feels guilty about her. And, many fans of the CloudXAeris realationship mistake that for love. :/ Even if Aeris were living, I'd still say that Tifa would have more of a chance with Cloud.
Kay', I'm done. ^-^ Thank you so much you have put it vary beautiful and eloquently. Also every CloudxAeris fan seems to forget that Cloud called her mother so yes Cloud dose love Aeris as a mother figure
Accepting Kingdom Hearts's events as canon would also mean accepting that Squall and the other Final Fantasy cast members (excluding those from Twilight Town and that tropical island) all come from the same world which was attacked by Heartless.
I do not recall Heartless playing a pivotal role, if any, in Final Fantasy VII or VIII, therefore I do not consider it to be canon to any of the Final Fantasy games.
Even if Kingdom Hearts was never made, I think that Cloud and Tifa STILL have much more evidence to back my belief of their realationship up with.
As for Pink Spider, again you just give us pure opinion, and nothing really factual. Your whole 'Tifa wasn't in the first KH' argument is useless, because the only reason Cloud and Aerith were in there, as well as the other Final Fantasy characters who appeared in particular, was due to their popularity. Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth, and Squall are some of the most popular Final Fantasy characters, period, so they were obviously going to make a cameo appearance in the game. To assume that this is supposed to refer to who Cloud would end up with is silly. Why?
Because Cloud doesn't end up with anyone, period. Oh, he definitely had feelings for either girl at one point or another, but does it officially show Cloud as a couple or having been a couple with any of the girls? Nope. Kingdom Hearts is NOT canon for any Cloud pairing, so bringing up Kingdom Hearts will prove nothing, since not only is it a separate universe in it's own self, it's also loaded with fanservice.
You know, fanservice such as cameo appearances by the Final Fantasy characters.
As a plea to both Cleris and Cloti worshippers alike: Please stop twisting game facts around in knots just so that you can make it seem like your pairing works. It is not necessary, since there is nothing wrong with liking your pairing. Acting all haughty about it, trying to shove it down other's throats while attempting to pass it off as canon, is NOT.
Also, neither creator or character have said whom Cloud is/should be with... so it's left unsaid. What I say, is that we let everyone just have their own opinions instead of arguing about it. :/ I think Cloud's realationship(as far as love goes) will always remain unsaid. :/
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:51 pm
Aeeeriiiisss heart heart heart
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:02 am
Well that's the thing that makes a good romance.
I'll break it down.
With Yuffie: Nothing was really shown, but it was possible that Yuffie had a thing for Cloud. If you watch when Aeris dies, if you have Yuffie in the team. What happens? She runs into Cloud's arms. Thus meaning that they could have something.
With Tifa: You got the whole childhood friends and possible lovers thing going on. Also Tifa is there for him at all of his times of need.
With Aeris: He has her sweet innocence that is attractive. Also she is someone he can protect and keep safe. Well... Mostly.
So while all three are viable.
I'd pick none of the above.
After all, we all know Cloud and Barret had a secret somehting something going on.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:19 am
Hey I just thought of something what would happen if you were nice to all of the girls and you just happened to get an equal number of nice points for all three of them. Would that mean that there would be no date? Or you could date all three? Or maybe it's not possible to get an equal amount of nice points for everyone.
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:39 am
I would have to say that Cloud totally had a thing going for Aeris. The evidence is overwhelming when Cloud falls and wakes up in the flower patch with Aeris standing over him it's the same flower patch that is Clouds sanctuary in FFVII: AC. When Kadaj tears up the place you can see this small filker of complete and total anger in Cloud's eyes that just says " YOU ***HOLE! YOU JUST DESTOYED MY SANCTUARY!" The fact that Cloud uses that particular spot where he first had to protect Aeris as his sanctuary after she is killed just goes to show that he totally had some type of romantic feeling for her going on.
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