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 Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:38 pm
LadyShirahime93 Panthers7 @ Lady: I dunno....My father is.....interesting with his cooking abilities. whee @Hinote:Thank you......Wasn't really trying to fight,was trying to escape since my character thought he was being....well assaulted and betrayed. But,bleh.........It's over now I guess sweatdrop In any case,all aggression has released my being and I'm back to being upbeat. 3nodding
>3
Also, I have my kitty now. He's walking around meowing. It's so cute. I had to pick him up and huggle him.Yup Yuppers 3nodding
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:40 pm
xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Hinote Tosatsu gregar828 Hinote Tosatsu gregar828 Hinote Tosatsu Refer to my post in sound for my response to that. Using any excuse to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is just wrong, even if you are going by a massive rank difference. There has to be some method of evasion or escape, or it's just cold blooded murder. Lemme ask you something. Would you say that an academy student could beat a jounin? No. The average academy student would be totally blown away by even a chuunin. If however the academy student was capable of adaptation and quick thinking they could find a way to survive the encounter. As far as role play goes, I prefer to rely on the skills of the fighter rather than a ridged rank system. The system is good, because it classifies who is at what level, but it should not be relied upon to the point of saying "You can't even react to my actions because I am higher ranked than you.". A system is only as good as those who are using it, and if they use it to their own advantage, it ceases to be good. The skills of a fighter ARE very important, but to use those skills one must understand the abilities and limitations of their stats. And the fact of the matter is, both are very skilled roleplayers, but deil is Kage ranked, and Zin is a genin, therefore deil has more at his disposal. My main point is that he should not have started pulling out actions that could not be countered. Saying he was moving fast enough to end the battle in less than a second is just plain excessive, and using your stats to support the claim that you can barrel over those of lower rank is abuse of the system in my eyes. When I fight I try to leave opening for my opponent to have a chance to counter. They may or may not be traps, but at least they have a choice in whether they go down easy or hard. Ending a battle in one post by way of calling rank should not be done. It kills even the fun of role play. A fun battle is drawn out as long as possible, with each side having some degree of a chance to win. Anything else is just boring. if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. [Actually, that would be very easy: Wait for the kage to sleep, then make sure the AC is on, and then cut his throat with a kuni. It's the kage's fault for not having guards/putting up defenses/LOCKING HIS DOOR!]
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:45 pm
Deil Grist xXZetsubou-KaesuXx Hinote Tosatsu gregar828 Hinote Tosatsu No. The average academy student would be totally blown away by even a chuunin. If however the academy student was capable of adaptation and quick thinking they could find a way to survive the encounter. As far as role play goes, I prefer to rely on the skills of the fighter rather than a ridged rank system. The system is good, because it classifies who is at what level, but it should not be relied upon to the point of saying "You can't even react to my actions because I am higher ranked than you.". A system is only as good as those who are using it, and if they use it to their own advantage, it ceases to be good. The skills of a fighter ARE very important, but to use those skills one must understand the abilities and limitations of their stats. And the fact of the matter is, both are very skilled roleplayers, but deil is Kage ranked, and Zin is a genin, therefore deil has more at his disposal. My main point is that he should not have started pulling out actions that could not be countered. Saying he was moving fast enough to end the battle in less than a second is just plain excessive, and using your stats to support the claim that you can barrel over those of lower rank is abuse of the system in my eyes. When I fight I try to leave opening for my opponent to have a chance to counter. They may or may not be traps, but at least they have a choice in whether they go down easy or hard. Ending a battle in one post by way of calling rank should not be done. It kills even the fun of role play. A fun battle is drawn out as long as possible, with each side having some degree of a chance to win. Anything else is just boring. if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. [Actually, that would be very easy: Wait for the kage to sleep, then make sure the AC is on, and then cut his throat with a kuni. It's the kage's fault for not having guards/putting up defenses/LOCKING HIS DOOR!] but when are kages light sleepers? at least while they are in their prime. oh and does a bloodline give you an extra element? just wondering because I was looking at some profiles for the akatsuki guys... and some of them have three, or even two and they are only genin... I thought you ust be chunnin to have two.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:47 pm
xXZetsubou-KaesuXx if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. There is more than one way to win a fight. You can escape to fight another day, or you can attempt to outlast your enemy. I am in no way supporting the idea of bridging a massive power gap. My problem is in the concept that a person can pull rank as a reason their opponent is unable to do a thing. My character specializes in countering. He's the type of person who will wait for the enemy to make the first move, and use any openings left behind to get in a quick shot. Using this strategy, even an academy student could take down a kage. The problem at hand is that the chance to dodge was never given. An attack from behind at speeds nobody could follow on a tired genin is just cowardly. Grist: Your C fact contains a fatal flaw. You gave him an opening, which he could not take advantage of. That means you did not use strategy, and you did not give him an opening. An opening that cannot be used is the same as none, so do not claim that you gave him a chance. Your constant use of stats to explain why you are better than him is highly offensive to me, as it shows that you are willing to take advantage of the system in order to gain unfair advantages. I once had an RPC that I worked for months to perfect, one day I looked at him and realized he was completely invincible. Not because of any one ability I gave him, but because he had grown too strong. That was the last time I used that character. There is no enjoyment to be had fighting with a character that cannot be defeated, for either side.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:58 pm
Hinote Tosatsu xXZetsubou-KaesuXx if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. There is more than one way to win a fight. You can escape to fight another day, or you can attempt to outlast your enemy. I am in no way supporting the idea of bridging a massive power gap. My problem is in the concept that a person can pull rank as a reason their opponent is unable to do a thing. My character specializes in countering. He's the type of person who will wait for the enemy to make the first move, and use any openings left behind to get in a quick shot. Using this strategy, even an academy student could take down a kage. The problem at hand is that the chance to dodge was never given. An attack from behind at speeds nobody could follow on a tired genin is just cowardly. Grist: Your C fact contains a fatal flaw. You gave him an opening, which he could not take advantage of. That means you did not use strategy, and you did not give him an opening. An opening that cannot be used is the same as none, so do not claim that you gave him a chance. Your constant use of stats to explain why you are better than him is highly offensive to me, as it shows that you are willing to take advantage of the system in order to gain unfair advantages. I once had an RPC that I worked for months to perfect, one day I looked at him and realized he was completely invincible. Not because of any one ability I gave him, but because he had grown too strong. That was the last time I used that character. There is no enjoyment to be had fighting with a character that cannot be defeated, for either side. you are in sand village right? well... what if the person was using the pi quan taijutsu style, it clearly states that there are no openings. if the person is that many ranks above you, then they don't have to say they leave an opening... you have to think to get your opening, it isn't just a given. and it isn't cowardly, it is how the naruverse works, kill or be killed. or in naruto's case befriend or screw over with Nine tailed fox.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:59 pm
xXZetsubou-KaesuXx if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. You gave him an opening, which he could not take advantage of. That means you did not use strategy, and you did not give him an opening. Isn't that the definition of strategy? Coming up with a way of maximizing the chance of achieving an objective, and minimizing the ways you can be defeated? Well, that's what I did. I gave him an opening, that someone of higher rank could have taken advantage of, however he lacks the skills to do so. ANY genin would lack the skills to do so, if I'm actually trying. That's strategy. If he had been with a partner, then the partner could have taken advantage of the opening. That's the thing with taijutsu: It only targets 1 person. Its great against hotshots that try to do everything on their own. Its bad against being attacked from all sides. However, I do know one bloodline/clan that would rape my guy in the face if they had enough chakra. But that's a story for another day. xXZetsubou-KaesuXx I once had an RPC that I worked for months to perfect, one day I looked at him and realized he was completely invincible. Not because of any one ability I gave him, but because he had grown too strong. That was the last time I used that character. There is no enjoyment to be had fighting with a character that cannot be defeated, for either side. I doubt that. There's always a way to be defeated, its just that the opponent has to have that way.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:59 pm
Panthers7 LadyShirahime93 Panthers7 @ Lady: I dunno....My father is.....interesting with his cooking abilities. whee @Hinote:Thank you......Wasn't really trying to fight,was trying to escape since my character thought he was being....well assaulted and betrayed. But,bleh.........It's over now I guess sweatdrop In any case,all aggression has released my being and I'm back to being upbeat. 3nodding
>3
Also, I have my kitty now. He's walking around meowing. It's so cute. I had to pick him up and huggle him.Yup Yuppers 3nodding lol my cat is behind me on the chair she is cuddly there <3
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:04 pm
Need... someone in sunagakure with Raiton scrolls T.T
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:16 pm
Deil Grist xXZetsubou-KaesuXx if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. You gave him an opening, which he could not take advantage of. That means you did not use strategy, and you did not give him an opening. Isn't that the definition of strategy? Coming up with a way of maximizing the chance of achieving an objective, and minimizing the ways you can be defeated? Well, that's what I did. I gave him an opening, that someone of higher rank could have taken advantage of, however he lacks the skills to do so. ANY genin would lack the skills to do so, if I'm actually trying. That's strategy. If he had been with a partner, then the partner could have taken advantage of the opening. That's the thing with taijutsu: It only targets 1 person. Its great against hotshots that try to do everything on their own. Its bad against being attacked from all sides. However, I do know one bloodline/clan that would rape my guy in the face if they had enough chakra. But that's a story for another day. xXZetsubou-KaesuXx I once had an RPC that I worked for months to perfect, one day I looked at him and realized he was completely invincible. Not because of any one ability I gave him, but because he had grown too strong. That was the last time I used that character. There is no enjoyment to be had fighting with a character that cannot be defeated, for either side. I doubt that. There's always a way to be defeated, its just that the opponent has to have that way. It does not count as strategy if there was no chance for the opponent to win in the first place. Rather, it is called overkill. To say you gave him an opening is a blatant lie if he had no chance of using it. My problem here is not that you can defeat a genin, it is that you are using rank and stats to explain away how you are going about it. Any ability that allows you to move faster than the opponent can react is, to me, a form of god mod. If you had pinned him down with no way to escape, and then used your final attack I would see no trouble. But from what I have heard you went straight into the kill move. I find that taijutsu is best for taking down multiple enemies, while jutsu are best saved for more precise work. Though that could simply be the difference in styles speaking.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:28 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Deil Grist xXZetsubou-KaesuXx if each side had a chance to win, then an academy student could kill a kage... that just wouldn't work. You gave him an opening, which he could not take advantage of. That means you did not use strategy, and you did not give him an opening. Isn't that the definition of strategy? Coming up with a way of maximizing the chance of achieving an objective, and minimizing the ways you can be defeated? Well, that's what I did. I gave him an opening, that someone of higher rank could have taken advantage of, however he lacks the skills to do so. ANY genin would lack the skills to do so, if I'm actually trying. That's strategy. If he had been with a partner, then the partner could have taken advantage of the opening. That's the thing with taijutsu: It only targets 1 person. Its great against hotshots that try to do everything on their own. Its bad against being attacked from all sides. However, I do know one bloodline/clan that would rape my guy in the face if they had enough chakra. But that's a story for another day. xXZetsubou-KaesuXx I once had an RPC that I worked for months to perfect, one day I looked at him and realized he was completely invincible. Not because of any one ability I gave him, but because he had grown too strong. That was the last time I used that character. There is no enjoyment to be had fighting with a character that cannot be defeated, for either side. I doubt that. There's always a way to be defeated, its just that the opponent has to have that way. It does not count as strategy if there was no chance for the opponent to win in the first place. Rather, it is called overkill. To say you gave him an opening is a blatant lie if he had no chance of using it. My problem here is not that you can defeat a genin, it is that you are using rank and stats to explain away how you are going about it. Any ability that allows you to move faster than the opponent can react is, to me, a form of god mod. If you had pinned him down with no way to escape, and then used your final attack I would see no trouble. But from what I have heard you went straight into the kill move. I find that taijutsu is best for taking down multiple enemies, while jutsu are best saved for more precise work. Though that could simply be the difference in styles speaking. [How about you read the GD fight instead of making all these accusations. You'd know why I'm making all these arguments if you did. And I'm not killing him: I'm subduing him to take him back to his kage, so that he can be psycho-analyzed. He freaking cut open a helpless enemy, slashed at his organs, and did other terrible things. Read it, then come back to this debate.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:30 pm
~Zin pouts~ I was simply having fun and then I get knocked out. stare ~grumbles in hisses and nombles on gummi's to shut his trap.~
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:41 pm
Again, whatever happened in the fight, it couldn't have been enough to justify a sannin using their full power to subdue a genin. Especially if said sannin the the genin's sensei, as I gathered from the bit of it I saw. And the argument I have been putting forth was never solely about that fight. My argument is that it is wrong to use a power level your opponent cannot dream of matching in a fight. Even if it is within your capability, it should not be done. That is not even limited to this role play. It is a universal rule that I attempt to follow at all times. Following the system is all well and good, but when it leaves someone with no ability to defend themselves, exceptions must be made.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:48 pm
Panthers7 ~Zin pouts~ I was simply having fun and then I get knocked out. stare ~grumbles in hisses and nombles on gummi's to shut his trap.~ Sounds like a good way to have fun. Like I always say, The Geneva conventions do not apply to ninja. On the other hand Deil does make the valid point, his speed far outclasses your ability to react to it regardless of roleplay capability. Strategy is not in making opportunities for your opponent, it's in reducing those so that you have more advantages than your opponent. Now of course I have no room to speak. Theoretically anyone could kill a Kage, problem is they are ninja of a higher caliber than a Genin. They're skills and physical conditioning are more than likely a hundred times greater than that of a Genin. Don't bring Canon into this either. There are more than likely 20 or more teams of genin in a ninja village and that's probably just the random statistics genin. The background ninja with no history or plot relevance. This wasn't directed just at you panther, this is directed at the conversation in general. Now that I had my say, I think i'll shut up. @Deil: Dude, I totally give you props for your character looking like Ken Masters. And being a drunkard on top of that.
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:58 pm
if kai dies i'm bringing in my sychopath rpc serina from SY xp
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 4:09 pm
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