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| Aries |
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 Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:09 pm
soadshuyin .[.pink.spider.]. Sol_Zorian First of all Pink, Cloud DID return his smile to Tifa. You just need to look harder. Also, the fact that she is the last to dissapear means nothing. I don't see the reason in posting that. I agree with you that Cloud's burden was lifted after he saw Aerith and then smiled. That's true. But anyone would smile at someone who's forgiven them. Cloud's problem though wasn't accepting her death, it was shouldering the guilt OF her death. There's a difference.
he would never be alone.So noone noticed that Cloud smiled while fighting Kadaj Im guessing? Actually, he smirked because the others didn't interfere with his fight with Kadaj... And, I like CloudxAerith, but it doesn't really matter...
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:10 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crapFirst of all, "On the Way to a Smile" was written by the same writers of AC. Yes, it is from Square itself. It is NOT fanmade. I would not use any fanmade material to prove a point. stare Second, if you don't see any proof of Cloud and Tifa starting a life together in ANY way then I believe you are turning AC into your own fanmade hopes.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:26 pm
Asgre .[.pink.spider.]. dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crapFirst of all, "On the Way to a Smile" was written by the same writers of AC. Yes, it is from Square itself. It is NOT fanmade. I would not use any fanmade material to prove a point. stare Second, if you don't see any proof of Cloud and Tifa starting a life together in ANY way then I believe you are turning AC into your own fanmade hopes. Asgre is correct. It is indeed Square's own work. On the offical site for FF7AC 'On the Way to a Smile' is on the corner of the page. Here's the link: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dvd/ff7ac/
And here's another link for you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII:_Advent_Children#On_the_Way_to_a_Smile You can also find a thread about the novel in the spinoff forum.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:13 am
.[.pink.spider.]. ah excuse me sweatdrop I went actually researched on the way to a smile
and this is what I got:
This story covers the years between the end of Final Fantasy VII and the beginning of Advent Children. On the Way to a Smile gives fans an insight to what happened with the characters during that time.
On the Way to a Smile appears on the official Japanese Advent Children website. It has also been released as part of the Advent Children Prologue art book.
so basically what I read was that its about Denzel's story and such
Here's the link to the English translation, to make your search quicker.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:50 am
Symbolism “Flowers and flower blossoms are traditionally associated with femininity and womanhood, and are often used within anime and manga to represent love, a girl blooming into womanhood, a girl opening up to the world around her, and other images of this sort.” Ok so basically this can be interpreted as Aeris was a girl coming into women hood and could possibly love Cloud but this doesn’t say anything about Cloud loving her back. “One very common Japanese symbol used in a significant part of Final Fantasy VII is a carp. A carp was found swimming in a small pool that Cloud had to pass through later in order to find his way down to the shrine where Aerith was praying in the Forgotten City. The carp has long been a symbol of strength and courage in Japan.” It says “The carp has long been a symbol of strength and courage in Japan.” Not love and really because Cloud passes a stupid carp that is suppose to be proof that Cloud and Aeris are meant to be? “In the end, Cloud finds his light… Aerith.” First of all Kingdome Hearts is an Alternet Univers and has nothing to do with the actul FF7 game and second This has proven to be wrong as it is shown that Tifa is Cloud’s Light in Kingdome Hearts 2. .[.pink.spider.]. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan.” Just because Aeris is wearing pink and red that dosn't mean that Cloud was in love with her. It only means that Aeris can be interpreted as a symbol of love. She could have been whearing pink and red to symbolize that she was in love with Zack for all you know. And yes Aeris did say that her and Zack weren’t serious but what she says and dose in the game are two different things. The whole time she is constantly comparing Cloud to Zack even on their date no less. Only at the end of the date she says that she wants to know the real Cloud. .[.pink.spider.]. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan.” This has absolutely nothing to do with the LTD. Just because Tifa wore colors of mourning doesn’t mean Cloud didn’t love her romantically. .[.pink.spider.]. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string.” That is when both people are wearing a ribbon or string. Only Aeris is wearing a ribbon in the game and don’t even bother bring up AC because everyone was a ribbon in remembrance of Aeris. .[.pink.spider.]. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII.” Aeris can talk to Cloud in death because she is an Ancient the people closest to the plaint and the life stream. She also talks to the children in AC too if you don’t remember. In conclusion to the symbolismIf people really have to go as far as ribbons, clothing color, and carp as a means to make Cloud and Aeris sound cannon instead of paying attention to the dialog in the game then that’s sad. Advertising.[.pink.spider.].  See what I mean? And, on the Coke label, Cloud and Aerith appear directly below Squall and Rinoa, a canon couple. Has Square ever done this for Cloud and Tifa? No. In fact, Square has endorsed ClAeris as a couple right along with canon couples for awhile now. As you probably know, Square releases a lot of figures with each Final Fantasy game. What you may not know is that there was a special cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVII released. That scene was of Cloud lowering Aerith's body into the water during her funeral scene. What is interesting to note is that, later, with the release of FFVIII, Square released yet another cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVIII. This time, it was of Squall and Rinoa, during the ball at Balamb Garden. So, once again, we see Cloud and Aerith paired up in a piece of official Square merchandise. Not only that, but they appear to be endorsing Cloud and Aerith as a couple, right along with Squall and Rinoa.
Another hint of this type is in the latest release of FFVII (FFVII: International).Pictured on the first game disc is Cloud, the second disc, Aerith, and the third disc, Sephiroth. The reason I bring this up is because of previous FF games. For FFVIII, Squall was pictured on the first disc, Rinoa on the second, Seifer on the third, and Laguna on the fourth. With FFIX, Zidane was pictured on the first disc, Garnet on the second, Steiner on the third, and Vivi on the fourth. Do you not see a pattern? First disc= hero. Second disc= heroine/love interest. The other discs show either a villain or other, "less important", characters. So, where is Tifa in regards to FFVII:International? On the bonus fourth disc with everyone else This means nothing. Just the other day I saw a poster of AC Cloud and Tifa with Squall and Renoa and Tidus and Yuna. Not to mention there are AC plushis, key chains, figurines, so on and so forth with Cloud and Tifa sold together. And if your going to use advertising as proof then Cloud and Sepheroth must be the cannon couple because those two have been sold together more times then CloudxAeris and CloudxTifa put together. Yes Amano’s interoperation of the true FF7 couple was Cloud and Aeris but his interoperation don't matter because he didn't create or draw the FF7 characters Nomura did. The reason SE kept Amano on board is because his art has become synonymous with Final Fantasy but that doesn’t mean that his artwork makes anything cannon. .[.pink.spider.]. Still not convinced? Do you still think Amano's art of Cloud with Aerith means nothing? Well, take a look at these...
The official FFVIII logo, with Squall and Rinoa, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. And, yet, the characters were designed by Nomura... Hmmm...
Zidane and Garnet from FFIX, designed by Amano himself...
Tidus and Yuna from FFX. Artwork by Amano, even though the character designs were by Nomura. Gee...
Shuyin and Lenne from FFX-2. Again, the character designs were by Nomura, yet Amano drew them anyways...
So, in case you still haven't figured it out, let me clue you in... Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy... XD Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon??? Since when was his art considered cannon for all FF games? That’s just stupid. His art is only cannon for those games that he himself created. .[.pink.spider.]. Oh, and for all of you CloTis who claim that Amano's art means nothing... why, oh, why are you asking for a CloTi pic from Amano??? Yep, that's right. The CloTis have made up a petition in which they pathetically beg Square for proof of Cloud and Tifa's "love". Why is this? I would like to see this petition you speak of. .[.pink.spider.]. Because they don't have any proof of their own. Not true in fact most of what you have said in the past about CloudxAeris is your own interpretation of what was said and done between Cloud and Aeris beside the fact that every single factual piece of evidence that you have for CloudxAeris can be countered by factual CloudxTifa evidence. But there is one thing I have that you don’t Advent Children Reunion Files. These are scans from the official AC Reunion Files. It is a book that you can get with the DVD box set. On page 14 it says “There are many dimensions to Tifa’s character. She’s like a mother, a sweetheart and a close ally in battle. (Nomura) If you read the Japanese version Sweetheart is translated as lover, girlfriend, or romantic interest. If you don’t believe me have the Japanese version translated for yourself.  http://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles01.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles02.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles03.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles04.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles05.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles06.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles07.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles08.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles09.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles10.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles11.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles12.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles13.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles14.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles15.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles16.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles17.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles18.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles19.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles20.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles21.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/ladyrelenasstuff/ReunionFiles22.jpg
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:58 pm
eek I really wanna reply to you all: D but I'm gonna be in Korea for a week! I'm leaving tommorow! so ya I know that's random! I'm gonna try and bring my laptop though
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:28 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:50 pm
It was probably Aeris, but I think Tifa deserved him more.
I don't think ANYONE liked Yuffie...
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:20 pm
Cloud had a thing for Aerith, but after she died, during the movie, he did show some affection towards Tifa but i dont think he thinks of her that way...dunno tho sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:45 pm
Now, this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to ask this, since it kept being brought up.
Where the hell is that carp that you two keep talking about? If it's the fish at Ajit (capital of the Ancients where Aerith met her end), then wasn't that a clown fish, like Nemo? Maybe I just need to replay the game, but I am almost certain that it was a clown fish.
In fact, the only carp I recall seeing were in Wutai, like in the little indoor garden inside of Godo's house.
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:33 am
StrawberrieIceCream Now, this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to ask this, since it kept being brought up.
Where the hell is that carp that you two keep talking about? If it's the fish at Ajit (capital of the Ancients where Aerith met her end), then wasn't that a clown fish, like Nemo? Maybe I just need to replay the game, but I am almost certain that it was a clown fish.
In fact, the only carp I recall seeing were in Wutai, like in the little indoor garden inside of Godo's house. I think that is the fish they were talking about. But I don't have a very good memory of it, so I need to go back and play the game too. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:32 am
StrawberrieIceCream Now, this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to ask this, since it kept being brought up.
Where the hell is that carp that you two keep talking about? If it's the fish at Ajit (capital of the Ancients where Aerith met her end), then wasn't that a clown fish, like Nemo? Maybe I just need to replay the game, but I am almost certain that it was a clown fish.
In fact, the only carp I recall seeing were in Wutai, like in the little indoor garden inside of Godo's house. To be honest I thought it was a clown fish too. It doesn’t look anything like a carp Here is a picture from in the game Here is a real carp Yep they look nothing alike and these are both of the site that Pink gave us too. But like I said before because Cloud passes a stupid fish that is suppose to be proof that Cloud and Aeris are meant to be? Please
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:51 pm
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:02 pm
RanmaxHikaru StrawberrieIceCream Now, this is slightly off topic, but I just wanted to ask this, since it kept being brought up.
Where the hell is that carp that you two keep talking about? If it's the fish at Ajit (capital of the Ancients where Aerith met her end), then wasn't that a clown fish, like Nemo? Maybe I just need to replay the game, but I am almost certain that it was a clown fish.
In fact, the only carp I recall seeing were in Wutai, like in the little indoor garden inside of Godo's house. To be honest I thought it was a clown fish too. It doesn’t look anything like a carp Here is a picture from in the game Here is a real carp Yep they look nothing alike and these are both of the site that Pink gave us too. But like I said before because Cloud passes a stupid fish that is suppose to be proof that Cloud and Aeris are meant to be? Please You're right, I don't think they look anything alike. Although I do understand why she would use evidence about the carp, it doesn't mean that it's proof for Cloud and Aerith to be together.
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:19 pm
Cloud liked Aeris untill she died didn't he?¿ And then, after that, didn't he beggin to like Tifa?¿ I don't know, but I do know that if Cloud were real... heart 4laugh
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