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Hinote Tosatsu

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Hinote Tosatsu

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Hinote Tosatsu

The fifteen foot "Instant death" radius as you put it, is the full scope of an explosive tag. As I see it, judging purely by a wiki article I read, by removing the fragmentation and casing from the grenade, you are left primarily with that blast radius. The concussive force will obviously travel a good bit further, but that's the base.

It's your choice, so I suppose so. That also means that Zdura asked and was denied the knowledge though, so he'll most likely seek it out at some point. He wouldn't have pushed it while on the mission after all.

Instant death is at about 9-10 feet for a grenade. I watch a lot of Mythbusters...

But you'll probably die from internal injury for another 5 feet, so I can see the "Instant Death " radius of 15 feet. I just wanted to clarify. sweatdrop

I feel the undying need to point out that you are comparing evidence from the Mythbusters, a group well known for having no actual idea what they are doing, and ruining nearly every experiment they do by using flawed methods, to the testimony of an actual soldier with actual experience with the object in question. And also a Wikipedia article, but I think the soldier part holds more sway here.

The Mythbusters are SPECIAL EFFECTS experts. NOT scientists, and CERTAINLY not a good source of evidence in any matter. Except perhaps that watching stuff blow up is fun.

How is their method flawed? Sure the experiments aren't completely controlled, but they still function to prove a point. I'm not saying that LT is wrong, but it is only a sure kill at 10 feet. at 15, you're probably bleeding from your ears and will die in a minute or so, but it isn't enough concussive force to just outright kill you. That's all I was saying.

I understand they are Special effects experts, but I'm fairly certain they have ACTUAL scientists behind them, the ones you see are the face of mythbusters.

They sought to prove you could not clean a concrete truck of hardened concrete with dynamite (A practice I know for a fact to be true.), by filling a truck with cement, dumping explosives on top of it, and setting it off. Because it didn't work, they deemed the "Myth" busted. When in fact it did not work, because they used the dynamite WRONG, and put more cement in the barrel than a truck would normally haul in the first place, much less allow to build up.

Edit: They also used the wrong kind of dynamite. I rather forgot to mention that.

They sought to prove you could not cut the barrel off an overheated machine gun with a sword, by putting a gun barrel in a bed of coals until it was red hot, carrying it into another room, spending several minutes attaching it to a mechanism, and then using a powerful mechanical arm to swing a sword at several times the speed and strength a human could achieve, a power the sword was not built to withstand, and deemed it busted because their methods caused the sword to break instead of the no longer hot barrel.

I could most likely go on, but I haven't watched them in a while to see any other instances. However, rest assured, anything they do, while it may look cool, is done for the sake of TV value, and not actual science. They rarely do their experiments properly, and only go for the biggest cinematic bang they can achieve.

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The fifteen foot instant death radius of a grenade's explosion is the distance the explosion itself reaches. The fire, concussive force, and shrapnel itself are all at their strongest within that point. The severe injury radius just from the shrapnel and concussive force extends much further, to a point I cannot recall, but I believe it is several yards out. Beyond that the shrapnel continues for up to two hundred plus yards, still able to deal significant damage.

Place a shrapnel or fragmentation grenade within fifteen feet of any soft material, such as a body or ballistics gel, and I guarantee it will be completely shredded and unrecognizable after it goes off. If you did not die instantly, you would die within seconds. If by some miracle you survived longer, the kindest thing anyone nearby could do would be to kill you. If it is not instant death, you will wish it was. Thus, if it was not, it should have been.

I'll grant you that they used to be much worse than they are, but now they are beginning to use much more science. Adam and Jamie are at least, Grant, Karie, and Tori all are still kinda into the explosions nd stuff, but they still use science.

They used pressure plates ( Ones that break underneath the amount of force needed to kill a human ) in a radius around it, in a spiral pattern so as to not block any of them with the others. Then when they detonated the charge, it didn't break the ones at 10 feet out. It wrinkled them terribly, but no breakage.

This sin't with shrapnel or anything, this is the explosive force itself.

As i have stated before, there are exceptions to every rule. It could all have different outcomes base on un measureable variables, such as tempature, elevation, airpressure, wind, dirt/dust, rocks, who threw the grenade and how good is their arm, did they eat that morning before blowing sh!t up, was there a breeze, what kind of grenade did they use, what year was the grenade made, where what it made, and what made it. Did the grenade detonate in the air or was it on the ground, did they place the explosive on some sort of stand and just runaway, etc. There are just too may things to take into account and those were just a few reasons why when i throw a grenade is different from when a scientist does it.

We just need to decide what is the effectiveness of an explosive tag comparable to a grenade.

Reminds me of that one time when i threw a grenade and it bounced off the tree branches in front of me and landed right back in my lap sweatdrop