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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:06 pm
-X Duo Yiro X- I have a passive jutsu for fire/heat. Shrapnel and debris will do damage to me, but I'll be able to buffet some off the fire/heat. If I had an explosive tag, I might take off a leg or two. >.< You seriously think that a genin, using a genin level technique that just dulls the damage from fire (it is not a total resistance technique, and says so right in it.), will be able to completely block an attack, but a jounin facing an attack of equal power will lose limbs? Just, think about that one for a bit.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:12 pm
Actually, I was meaning we'd both lose a limb. I'm standing a distance away, which allows for at least 25% of my body to be covered by the passive ability before getting hit.
Here's what I was going to do.
When the clone explodes, I'd squat down, shielding my vitals and face from damage, buffet some of it. The remain in that position while I place a tag on my foot. Standing up I'd taunt and try to get Aoi in Arms range, or more preferably behind me. I'd lift my foot, place it on her thigh and watch it explode, blowing off my foot and her leg, but then again ya never know.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:25 pm
-X Duo Yiro X- Actually, I was meaning we'd both lose a limb. I'm standing a distance away, which allows for at least 25% of my body to be covered by the passive ability before getting hit. Here's what I was going to do. When the clone explodes, I'd squat down, shielding my vitals and face from damage, buffet some of it. The remain in that position while I place a tag on my foot. Standing up I'd taunt and try to get Aoi in Arms range, or more preferably behind me. I'd lift my foot, place it on her thigh and watch it explode, blowing off my foot and her leg, but then again ya never know. I checked a couple times, and I don't think you ever mentioned a distance. It is implied that you and the clone are basically right next to each other. At that range, and considering the speed of a jounin's attack, you can't predict the explosion. You can only react, and barely that. Furthermore, the genin level ability is mainly intended to block the effect of your own techniques should they backfire. Their defensive power is likely limited to genin level techniques at most. An explosive tag is C rank at it's base. You realize that plan would be a one way ticket to the chopping block, right? That's pretty much saying you got called to the front of the class, had the dunce cap (Do they still use those?) put on your head, and punched the teacher in the stomach for scolding you. Except in military ninja style, where instead of expulsion from school, the punishment is life in prison, or expulsion from life. (Also, considering the range on an explosive tag's explosion, it wouldn't just be your leg you'd be losing anyways. It'd be instant death.)
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:35 pm
Meaning we'd both be blown into oblivion. I know.
As for the explosive clone. I merely said I'd buffet some of the damage, roughly 25%. Reacting on instinct I'd hit the ground. I think Gage has enough wit to hit the deck rather then to move, which is what Aoi wants him to do. Right now, he really isn't in the move to do that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:59 pm
-X Duo Yiro X- Meaning we'd both be blown into oblivion. I know.
As for the explosive clone. I merely said I'd buffet some of the damage, roughly 25%. Reacting on instinct I'd hit the ground. I think Gage has enough wit to hit the deck rather then to move, which is what Aoi wants him to do. Right now, he really isn't in the move to do that. Duo there are two things about explosives that cause injury: Concussive force, and heat/flame from the explosion. Concussive force is dangerous in the sense that it creates a range where a knock-back effect comes into play. So being that close to such an explosion and simply ducking down wouldn't help you against concussive force in the least bit. You'd be thrown in the opposite direction of the clone which of course would be your right regardless of how low to the ground you were. If anything, I'd hope Gauge had the wit to simply attempt to get out of range of the attack period rather than assuming a low-level technique that exists solely at that level to protect from minor burns would protect from the force of an explosive tag. To be honest, you seem to continue to wish to escalate this situation which I admit is a bit frustrating on my part. If Masaki and Gauge are going to get training, it's not going to happen while you attempt to take on someone who time and time again has hinted at you that humility and respect is everything. Even Naruto in all his stubborness knew when to submit to a higher authority in order to accomplish his own goals, however it seems that you have made it so that your RPC would rather lose an entire leg by placing an explosive tag on the foot, than simply apologize and ask for forgiveness. Might I add that I highly, HIGHLY suggest you do not try something to do with explosive tags against Aoi. You'll permanently injure your RPC rendering him more than likely unable to function as a shinobi, she'll walk away without so much as a scratch, and once again no one seems to benefit. Aoi Hyuuga is an NPC I created to lead missions and train, not potentially permanently injure someone else's RPC. Whatever reasons you have for dragging out this altercation between yourself and one of Kiri's NPC's, I'd suggest you reconsider them so that your characters can get stronger instead of considerably weaker by losing limbs to prove a point that becomes moot after the fact. A shinobi without a leg is no good, so in the end you'd end up with no teacher anyway. confused
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:11 pm
Let's leave the whole damage thing behind. If you did manage to wound or even kill Aoi and lost say just your leg in trade because of some ninja magic. You (a refugee not native to Kiri) just attacked and injured/killed a village Jounin. You will have no chance for medical assistance. You'd bleed out, or be captured, "repaired" enough to keep you alive and kept as a prisoner. Bringing the fight to that level is probably a very bad idea.
Luo I do think you cheated here as well. You somehow know he used the henge to switch his pouch rather than assumed it was a poorly done bunshin. (Which I believe was the intent, and would probably be a rational assumption considering his behavior up to now). If he had done it all in reverse then it would have had absolutely no meaning. I don't think Aoi had enough evidence to see through his trickery. At best she would have doubts about which was which. Its kind of a minor point, but he already doesn't have a lot going for him so I felt it needed to be said.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:24 pm
Hikaro_rin Luo I do think you cheated here as well. You somehow know he used the henge to switch his pouch rather than assumed it was a poorly done bunshin. (Which I believe was the intent, and would probably be a rational assumption considering his behavior up to now). If he had done it all in reverse then it would have had absolutely no meaning. I don't think Aoi had enough evidence to see through his trickery. At best she would have doubts about which was which. Its kind of a minor point, but he already doesn't have a lot going for him so I felt it needed to be said. I personally had thought Nikko's was an open air shop, like Ichiraku's or most other cafes of the sort. If that was indeed the case, he could just say she saw him do the techniques in the first place. Actually, I get the feeling that is what is implied actually, since the order was referenced, implying that she saw, or heard, the jutsu used. In the end though I have to say, it's a genin trying to fool a jounin. And beyond that, it's dragging out an encounter than never should have begun, to the detriment of all. Stalling it by going through all the work to unnecessarily play along with the clone hoax would just drag it out further making it longer before anyone got training, and splitting Luo's attention from other things he could be doing, like finishing up in Suna so other storylines could progress. I'm actually surprised he's played along to the degree he already has. If it were me I'd have had the NPC knock the kid out and been done with it then and there, and moved on. Within the RP, Aoi isn't obligated to train Gage. He's trying to make her impress him, when he needs to impress her, and is failing grandly at doing so. At this rate, it will take an order from Luo (The character) to get anyone at all to teach him.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:37 pm
I certainly get that, although I think Nikko's is closed by the description in which case both me and Duo misunderstood. I'm too lazy to check but I'm pretty sure a front door has been referenced a couple of times, and an open air store in Kiri would probably be pretty cold and soggy.
I don't think metagaming should be allowed just because the RP in question is inconvenient. Especially since Aoi's only real problem in such a fight would be not killing him anyways. I certainly get Luo has his hands full, and I personally want to get this thing over with and wish it never started. Masaki will probably have to go back and bother Luo Ushio to either beg his help getting a teacher or get out of training with Duo's RPC since he was commanded to let him train with him. I'll shut up about it now though and let Luo and/or Duo decide whether to bother with this.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:51 pm
There's actually no description at all besides what the place sells. =/
That said, besides the fact that Luo should probably remedy that at some point, he can basically say it's whatever shape he sees fit. (That would fix it's status forever though. (Or at least until everyone forgot.)
I expect, being ninja, they would have found some way to keep the moisture out of the shop. Seals on the entry area perhaps. I was going to add some of those to my shop in Suna, and they would work for mist as well as they would for sand.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:02 pm
The whole point of Gage's actions are due to the emotions built up inside from Iwa as well as the Ramen bowl mission he miserably failed at the day before. If you put all those things together, it would really make sense why he's going to such extremes. I mean yes, if I was Luo I would if knocked me out by now. But with the mixed emotions Gage has right now he's willing to die to "try and accomplish his 'mission'" which is what he learned the day before. On top of that, he got denied to return to Iwa and to travel with whats-his-face. Sorry I don't remember his name.
I probably portrayed his emotions rather crappy, my fault actually. But the explosive tag thing was a thought. I wouldn't really do it unless this fight drags on for another few post.
I thought Luo saw that as the Mizukage and had me stick with Mat so i don't do anything too crazy. This is crazy, but if I would of been sent out alone. I probably would of done something really crazy.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:43 pm
Hikaro_rin Luo I do think you cheated here as well. You somehow know he used the henge to switch his pouch rather than assumed it was a poorly done bunshin. (Which I believe was the intent, and would probably be a rational assumption considering his behavior up to now). If he had done it all in reverse then it would have had absolutely no meaning. I don't think Aoi had enough evidence to see through his trickery. At best she would have doubts about which was which. Its kind of a minor point, but he already doesn't have a lot going for him so I felt it needed to be said. I knew because when you create a bunshin you don't switch positions with said clone, it appears right next to you or in your vicinity. A large poof of smoke is rather indicative of where the bunshin has appeared, and if in the second plume of smoke I see that it's literally just him standing next to his clone, it would be obvious that it was an attempted henge, especially if he's standing next to a bunshin of himself like a 'before and after' photo. Nikko's is open air with two tarps that usually hang in the doorway. That being said, even if it were inside would you not suspect that the front of the building had windows to be seen in and out of? I mean I've kept this going as long as the real RPC's in question keep it going. Aoi is an NPC with set characteristics so she isn't going to just knock him out, she's going to humiliate him in an effort to teach him humility. @Duo: Hmmm, I'd suggest including that bit about why he's acting this way if he apologizes or when the altercation ends. It would help Aoi understand what the deal was and make her less likely to do anything else rash. It is good that you played up to your RPC's faults and his reactions to them though so I certainly won't hold that against you.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:02 am
Sorry to go all millitary on this thread and i know we are probably already done with the grenade talk but i gotta put my two cents in,
A frag grenade or a regular explosive grenade is a larger explosion than what you would see in most (if not all video games) American grenades consist of an explosive called Composition B, and when detonated it explodes at a velocity of 8,050 meters per second. This instant death radius is 5 meters or roughly 15 feet. With a wounding radius of 15 meters or 45 feet. And when we mean wounding, we mean no longer combat effective. "Combat Effective" means still standing, so when you are no longer combat effective you are no longer standing and have to be carried off the field of battle with the end result of you being an amputee with in 7-10 meters. What really kills you from the grenade is the concussive force that is released, that when it hits you not only throws you some distance but it can cause a varity of effects most commonly both lungs being collaspsed and serious brain injury. Sometimes it just turns your insides into jello, literally your insides are leaking out of any opening your body had. ie ears, nose, mouth, eyes, cuts, @ss, and even the pores of your skin. That being said, Hinote stated that the explosive tag is equivalent to a fragmentation grenade which sometimes has shrapnel fragments that can disperse as far out as 250 meters. Im sory for the rant, but this is a realistic approach on a real life and anime comparrison. In my "expert stare opinion" explosive tags are extremely effect and one should not be on the receving end of one. If you are touching one, say your foot, it should kill you, i dont know how it works in the anime world, but in real life there are also exceptions to every rule.
-@ Hinote- can we agree that he does not know LT's name?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:23 pm
The fifteen foot "Instant death" radius as you put it, is the full scope of an explosive tag. As I see it, judging purely by a wiki article I read, by removing the fragmentation and casing from the grenade, you are left primarily with that blast radius. The concussive force will obviously travel a good bit further, but that's the base.
It's your choice, so I suppose so. That also means that Zdura asked and was denied the knowledge though, so he'll most likely seek it out at some point. He wouldn't have pushed it while on the mission after all.
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:56 pm
Hinote Tosatsu The fifteen foot "Instant death" radius as you put it, is the full scope of an explosive tag. As I see it, judging purely by a wiki article I read, by removing the fragmentation and casing from the grenade, you are left primarily with that blast radius. The concussive force will obviously travel a good bit further, but that's the base. It's your choice, so I suppose so. That also means that Zdura asked and was denied the knowledge though, so he'll most likely seek it out at some point. He wouldn't have pushed it while on the mission after all.
yes sir, so can we all agree in pots that a explosive tag is equal to a caseless frag grenade charge. Compostion B?
And yes sir thats find by me if you seek it out through alternative means like my students or some other cunning method that i know you have hidden up your selve ninja
Is it my turn to post?
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:05 pm
The power is listed in the tech thread too. Sure I just actually added it a couple days ago, but it'd been floating around for months, so, yeah.
I do believe it is. Zdura left, but I haven't actually had him go anywhere yet. Think I'll have him show up at Nikkos after Duo posts again, or if you want you can intercept him on the way out, or something.
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