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 Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:21 am
.[.pink.spider.]. here are some symbols hidden in FFVII when you think about it everything has a reason:
Names--
Aerith/Aeris's name is one form of a Latin word for "air" or "cloud". "Eris" is the Greek goddess of discord and strife ("eris" also means "strife" in Greek). So, Aerith's name can be translated as "cloud" and also as "strife". This is just one more indication of the mystical connection between Cloud and Aerith. Aerith's name has other meaning as well. Her name can mean "flower", which is appropriate, since she was a flower girl. "Aerith" is also an anagram of "I Earth", signifying her relationship with the planet. Also, since "Aeris" is pronounced like "heiress", this demonstrates her role as the last Cetra and rightful heir to the planet.
Tifa's name, on the other hand, is quite different. "Tiferet" is an aspect of the tree of life (along with "Sephirot"). Tiferet represents beauty (she is beautiful), balance (she is very athletic), and love (she loves Cloud). However Tiferet also symbolizes self-sacrifice to the Christian Kabbalists and the "will to carry one neighbor's cross". This refers to Tifa sacrificing her own happiness at the end of FFVII when she realizes that Cloud wishes only to be reunited with Aerith. She hangs her head in resignation, accepting that Aerith is the only one in Cloud's heart. Tifa would sacrifice anything to make Cloud happy. This includes her own happiness. Even Tifa's surname of "Lockheart" is symbolic. The two words "lock" and "heart" clearly show Tifa's inability to express her feelings to anyone, especially Cloud. It also shows that Tifa keeps her emotions hidden deep within her, under tight lock and key. She puts on a facade of happiness to hide her own doubt, insecurity, and sadness.
Clothing--
All of the symbolism in the game points toward Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of the game. Want to know more? Go here. This site is very impressive. Everything on it is backed up with loads of research. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII.
now for advertising : D
See what I mean? And, on the Coke label, Cloud and Aerith appear directly below Squall and Rinoa, a canon couple. Has Square ever done this for Cloud and Tifa? No. In fact, Square has endorsed ClAeris as a couple right along with canon couples for awhile now. As you probably know, Square releases a lot of figures with each Final Fantasy game. What you may not know is that there was a special cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVII released. That scene was of Cloud lowering Aerith's body into the water during her funeral scene. What is interesting to note is that, later, with the release of FFVIII, Square released yet another cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVIII. This time, it was of Squall and Rinoa, during the ball at Balamb Garden. So, once again, we see Cloud and Aerith paired up in a piece of official Square merchandise. Not only that, but they appear to be endorsing Cloud and Aerith as a couple, right along with Squall and Rinoa.
Another hint of this type is in the latest release of FFVII (FFVII: International).Pictured on the first game disc is Cloud, the second disc, Aerith, and the third disc, Sephiroth. The reason I bring this up is because of previous FF games. For FFVIII, Squall was pictured on the first disc, Rinoa on the second, Seifer on the third, and Laguna on the fourth. With FFIX, Zidane was pictured on the first disc, Garnet on the second, Steiner on the third, and Vivi on the fourth. Do you not see a pattern? First disc= hero. Second disc= heroine/love interest. The other discs show either a villain or other, "less important", characters. So, where is Tifa in regards to FFVII:International? On the bonus fourth disc with everyone else.
now for offical artwork biggrin
Cloud and Aerith appear together in official artwork by Yoshitaka Amano. Some people try to argue this point by saying that Amano had "nothing to do with FFVII", which is completely untrue. Amano was the character designer for all of the Final Fantasy games until Tetsuya Nomura took over for FFVII. Amano still did much of the visual design for FFVII and much of the artwork, even though Nomura's was also used. So, yes, he was involved in FFVII and his artwork is considered official. This should be obvious when looking at Amano's designs for the characters of FFVII. Many of the FFVII characters resemble the original Amano designs. Amano's artwork is still considered appropriate and significant today, as it is displayed with all of the official FF artwork, right alongside that of Nomura. In fact, the cover of the FFVII Original Soundtrack is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith (the same image that is the background for this page). The OST was released after FFVII. So, why use this artwork on the OST if it is not appropriate? Simple. Amano's artwork portrays exactly what was intended-- CloudxAerith. Some examples of Amano's CloudxAerith pics... (the background of this page is Amano art of Cloud and Aerith, entitled "Tranquility")...
Still not convinced? Do you still think Amano's art of Cloud with Aerith means nothing? Well, take a look at these...
The official FFVIII logo, with Squall and Rinoa, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. And, yet, the characters were designed by Nomura... Hmmm...
Zidane and Garnet from FFIX, designed by Amano himself...
Tidus and Yuna from FFX. Artwork by Amano, even though the character designs were by Nomura. Gee...
Shuyin and Lenne from FFX-2. Again, the character designs were by Nomura, yet Amano drew them anyways...
So, in case you still haven't figured it out, let me clue you in... Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy... XD Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon???
Oh, and for all of you CloTis who claim that Amano's art means nothing... why, oh, why are you asking for a CloTi pic from Amano??? Yep, that's right. The CloTis have made up a petition in which they pathetically beg Square for proof of Cloud and Tifa's "love". Why is this? Because they don't have any proof of their own. What is amusing in this petition is their request for a "romantic picture" by Yoshitaka Amano. Now, why would he want to do that when Cloud and Tifa are not, and were never meant to be, the true couple of FFVII? He already has art of the true couple of FFVII, in case you hadn't noticed, CloTis. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count unless he draws Cloud with Tifa, right? *Sarcasm* This is typical CloTi hypocrisy right here, folks. Amano's art of Cloud and Aerith means nothing, and yet they beg for Amano art of Cloud and Tifa to prove that Cloud and Tifa are canon??? Gawd, I will be laughing for weeks... XD
WAIT! Hold on, doesn't Advent Children then screw up the couples thing? The ending suggests Aeris with Zack and Tifa with cloud mostly because of her chat about being a family and what not and Zack with Aerith because they leave through the doorway together in the end. And they clarified that Cloud was searching for Aeries/Aerith to appologize for not protecting her suggesting a platonic view of their relationship.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:25 am
I think Cloud likes Aerith (Aeris, whatever), but I'd like Cloud to like Tifa. They'd make a pretty good couple, but oh well. I prefer the Cloud+Tifa relationship more than the Cloud+Aerith relationship. I personally like Tifa more than Aerith because:
1. I'm a guy, and guys like well-sized cleavage. Don't ask, we just do.
2. Tifa's known Cloud longer than Aerith has. Aerith met Cloud in Midgar when she bumped into him. Tifa knew Cloud in Nibelheim.
3. Tifa's complexion is more appealing to me.
4. Tifa doesn't die.
But, there are the pros about Aerith, but not Cloud+Aerith:
1. Aerith was always ALWAYS my healer before her death. She was like my Phoenix of disc 1, before I got Phoenix at Fort Condor.
2. She's the basis of Final Fantasy VII, basically. In Disc 1, you wonder why she's so important to Rude, Reno, and Tseng. Then you hear all about the Ancients and The Promised Land. She gets captured in Sector 7 and is taken to Shinra, Inc. You go to Shinra, Inc. to rescue her. Then you battle that poison-like b*****d. Then, that mumbo-jumbo-chocobo-gold-saucer-hibelheim-kalm-town-cloud's-story-extra characters stuff. Then you go to the Temple Of The Ancients. She gets murdered later on by Sephy himself. Cloud realizes he needs to kill Sephiroth to get revenge on Aerith. So, what happens? He goes in the crater (I had Barret and Vincent (cause that's my name)) and kills Sephiroth. The VERY VERY last scene is of Aerith awakening.
So, you see, Tifa is my choice. Aerith is better off as a Disc 1 healer to me. But, as for Yuffie, the perky teen, I have no idea. She's better off with Red XIII. lol
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:32 am
I always thought Cloud liked Tifa...... Am I wrong?
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:56 am
Im pretty sure it was Tifa... My friends keep telling me its Aeris...
Man Im soo confused!!!!!!! confused Kannnnnna
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:42 pm
dianersj .[.pink.spider.]. here are some symbols hidden in FFVII when you think about it everything has a reason:
Names--
Aerith/Aeris's name is one form of a Latin word for "air" or "cloud". "Eris" is the Greek goddess of discord and strife ("eris" also means "strife" in Greek). So, Aerith's name can be translated as "cloud" and also as "strife". This is just one more indication of the mystical connection between Cloud and Aerith. Aerith's name has other meaning as well. Her name can mean "flower", which is appropriate, since she was a flower girl. "Aerith" is also an anagram of "I Earth", signifying her relationship with the planet. Also, since "Aeris" is pronounced like "heiress", this demonstrates her role as the last Cetra and rightful heir to the planet.
Tifa's name, on the other hand, is quite different. "Tiferet" is an aspect of the tree of life (along with "Sephirot"). Tiferet represents beauty (she is beautiful), balance (she is very athletic), and love (she loves Cloud). However Tiferet also symbolizes self-sacrifice to the Christian Kabbalists and the "will to carry one neighbor's cross". This refers to Tifa sacrificing her own happiness at the end of FFVII when she realizes that Cloud wishes only to be reunited with Aerith. She hangs her head in resignation, accepting that Aerith is the only one in Cloud's heart. Tifa would sacrifice anything to make Cloud happy. This includes her own happiness. Even Tifa's surname of "Lockheart" is symbolic. The two words "lock" and "heart" clearly show Tifa's inability to express her feelings to anyone, especially Cloud. It also shows that Tifa keeps her emotions hidden deep within her, under tight lock and key. She puts on a facade of happiness to hide her own doubt, insecurity, and sadness.
Clothing--
All of the symbolism in the game points toward Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of the game. Want to know more? Go here. This site is very impressive. Everything on it is backed up with loads of research. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII.
now for advertising : D
See what I mean? And, on the Coke label, Cloud and Aerith appear directly below Squall and Rinoa, a canon couple. Has Square ever done this for Cloud and Tifa? No. In fact, Square has endorsed ClAeris as a couple right along with canon couples for awhile now. As you probably know, Square releases a lot of figures with each Final Fantasy game. What you may not know is that there was a special cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVII released. That scene was of Cloud lowering Aerith's body into the water during her funeral scene. What is interesting to note is that, later, with the release of FFVIII, Square released yet another cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVIII. This time, it was of Squall and Rinoa, during the ball at Balamb Garden. So, once again, we see Cloud and Aerith paired up in a piece of official Square merchandise. Not only that, but they appear to be endorsing Cloud and Aerith as a couple, right along with Squall and Rinoa.
Another hint of this type is in the latest release of FFVII (FFVII: International).Pictured on the first game disc is Cloud, the second disc, Aerith, and the third disc, Sephiroth. The reason I bring this up is because of previous FF games. For FFVIII, Squall was pictured on the first disc, Rinoa on the second, Seifer on the third, and Laguna on the fourth. With FFIX, Zidane was pictured on the first disc, Garnet on the second, Steiner on the third, and Vivi on the fourth. Do you not see a pattern? First disc= hero. Second disc= heroine/love interest. The other discs show either a villain or other, "less important", characters. So, where is Tifa in regards to FFVII:International? On the bonus fourth disc with everyone else.
now for offical artwork biggrin
Cloud and Aerith appear together in official artwork by Yoshitaka Amano. Some people try to argue this point by saying that Amano had "nothing to do with FFVII", which is completely untrue. Amano was the character designer for all of the Final Fantasy games until Tetsuya Nomura took over for FFVII. Amano still did much of the visual design for FFVII and much of the artwork, even though Nomura's was also used. So, yes, he was involved in FFVII and his artwork is considered official. This should be obvious when looking at Amano's designs for the characters of FFVII. Many of the FFVII characters resemble the original Amano designs. Amano's artwork is still considered appropriate and significant today, as it is displayed with all of the official FF artwork, right alongside that of Nomura. In fact, the cover of the FFVII Original Soundtrack is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith (the same image that is the background for this page). The OST was released after FFVII. So, why use this artwork on the OST if it is not appropriate? Simple. Amano's artwork portrays exactly what was intended-- CloudxAerith. Some examples of Amano's CloudxAerith pics... (the background of this page is Amano art of Cloud and Aerith, entitled "Tranquility")...
Still not convinced? Do you still think Amano's art of Cloud with Aerith means nothing? Well, take a look at these...
The official FFVIII logo, with Squall and Rinoa, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. And, yet, the characters were designed by Nomura... Hmmm...
Zidane and Garnet from FFIX, designed by Amano himself...
Tidus and Yuna from FFX. Artwork by Amano, even though the character designs were by Nomura. Gee...
Shuyin and Lenne from FFX-2. Again, the character designs were by Nomura, yet Amano drew them anyways...
So, in case you still haven't figured it out, let me clue you in... Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy... XD Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon???
Oh, and for all of you CloTis who claim that Amano's art means nothing... why, oh, why are you asking for a CloTi pic from Amano??? Yep, that's right. The CloTis have made up a petition in which they pathetically beg Square for proof of Cloud and Tifa's "love". Why is this? Because they don't have any proof of their own. What is amusing in this petition is their request for a "romantic picture" by Yoshitaka Amano. Now, why would he want to do that when Cloud and Tifa are not, and were never meant to be, the true couple of FFVII? He already has art of the true couple of FFVII, in case you hadn't noticed, CloTis. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count unless he draws Cloud with Tifa, right? *Sarcasm* This is typical CloTi hypocrisy right here, folks. Amano's art of Cloud and Aerith means nothing, and yet they beg for Amano art of Cloud and Tifa to prove that Cloud and Tifa are canon??? Gawd, I will be laughing for weeks... XD
WAIT! Hold on, doesn't Advent Children then screw up the couples thing? The ending suggests Aeris with Zack and Tifa with cloud mostly because of her chat about being a family and what not and Zack with Aerith because they leave through the doorway together in the end. And they clarified that Cloud was searching for Aeries/Aerith to appologize for not protecting her suggesting a platonic view of their relationship.
just because they leave at the same time doesnt mean that they are leaving to continue a life together! sheesh if cid and vincent walk out the same door together does that suggest they are a couple? I think not
also if you noticed although aerith leaves before zack she is the last to dissappear
also tifa smiles at cloud but instead of returning that smile he turns to see aerith and after she leaves cloud's burdern has finally been lifted and thus that is the only time he smiles, and not for or becuase of tifa
being forgiven isnt the only reason that cloud was looking for aerith
just look at vincent...he loved lucrecia as does cloud for aerith
they both blamed each other for their deaths and they couldn't forgive themselves and you cant tell me vincent went to lucrecia just so he could feel better I dont think so
both cloud and vincent didnt have to blame themselves
but they did
not only becuase they felt they could've save them but because they couldn't accept that they were gone
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:29 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. dianersj .[.pink.spider.]. here are some symbols hidden in FFVII when you think about it everything has a reason:
Names--
Aerith/Aeris's name is one form of a Latin word for "air" or "cloud". "Eris" is the Greek goddess of discord and strife ("eris" also means "strife" in Greek). So, Aerith's name can be translated as "cloud" and also as "strife". This is just one more indication of the mystical connection between Cloud and Aerith. Aerith's name has other meaning as well. Her name can mean "flower", which is appropriate, since she was a flower girl. "Aerith" is also an anagram of "I Earth", signifying her relationship with the planet. Also, since "Aeris" is pronounced like "heiress", this demonstrates her role as the last Cetra and rightful heir to the planet.
Tifa's name, on the other hand, is quite different. "Tiferet" is an aspect of the tree of life (along with "Sephirot"). Tiferet represents beauty (she is beautiful), balance (she is very athletic), and love (she loves Cloud). However Tiferet also symbolizes self-sacrifice to the Christian Kabbalists and the "will to carry one neighbor's cross". This refers to Tifa sacrificing her own happiness at the end of FFVII when she realizes that Cloud wishes only to be reunited with Aerith. She hangs her head in resignation, accepting that Aerith is the only one in Cloud's heart. Tifa would sacrifice anything to make Cloud happy. This includes her own happiness. Even Tifa's surname of "Lockheart" is symbolic. The two words "lock" and "heart" clearly show Tifa's inability to express her feelings to anyone, especially Cloud. It also shows that Tifa keeps her emotions hidden deep within her, under tight lock and key. She puts on a facade of happiness to hide her own doubt, insecurity, and sadness.
Clothing--
All of the symbolism in the game points toward Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of the game. Want to know more? Go here. This site is very impressive. Everything on it is backed up with loads of research. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII.
now for advertising : D
See what I mean? And, on the Coke label, Cloud and Aerith appear directly below Squall and Rinoa, a canon couple. Has Square ever done this for Cloud and Tifa? No. In fact, Square has endorsed ClAeris as a couple right along with canon couples for awhile now. As you probably know, Square releases a lot of figures with each Final Fantasy game. What you may not know is that there was a special cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVII released. That scene was of Cloud lowering Aerith's body into the water during her funeral scene. What is interesting to note is that, later, with the release of FFVIII, Square released yet another cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVIII. This time, it was of Squall and Rinoa, during the ball at Balamb Garden. So, once again, we see Cloud and Aerith paired up in a piece of official Square merchandise. Not only that, but they appear to be endorsing Cloud and Aerith as a couple, right along with Squall and Rinoa.
Another hint of this type is in the latest release of FFVII (FFVII: International).Pictured on the first game disc is Cloud, the second disc, Aerith, and the third disc, Sephiroth. The reason I bring this up is because of previous FF games. For FFVIII, Squall was pictured on the first disc, Rinoa on the second, Seifer on the third, and Laguna on the fourth. With FFIX, Zidane was pictured on the first disc, Garnet on the second, Steiner on the third, and Vivi on the fourth. Do you not see a pattern? First disc= hero. Second disc= heroine/love interest. The other discs show either a villain or other, "less important", characters. So, where is Tifa in regards to FFVII:International? On the bonus fourth disc with everyone else.
now for offical artwork biggrin
Cloud and Aerith appear together in official artwork by Yoshitaka Amano. Some people try to argue this point by saying that Amano had "nothing to do with FFVII", which is completely untrue. Amano was the character designer for all of the Final Fantasy games until Tetsuya Nomura took over for FFVII. Amano still did much of the visual design for FFVII and much of the artwork, even though Nomura's was also used. So, yes, he was involved in FFVII and his artwork is considered official. This should be obvious when looking at Amano's designs for the characters of FFVII. Many of the FFVII characters resemble the original Amano designs. Amano's artwork is still considered appropriate and significant today, as it is displayed with all of the official FF artwork, right alongside that of Nomura. In fact, the cover of the FFVII Original Soundtrack is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith (the same image that is the background for this page). The OST was released after FFVII. So, why use this artwork on the OST if it is not appropriate? Simple. Amano's artwork portrays exactly what was intended-- CloudxAerith. Some examples of Amano's CloudxAerith pics... (the background of this page is Amano art of Cloud and Aerith, entitled "Tranquility")...
Still not convinced? Do you still think Amano's art of Cloud with Aerith means nothing? Well, take a look at these...
The official FFVIII logo, with Squall and Rinoa, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. And, yet, the characters were designed by Nomura... Hmmm...
Zidane and Garnet from FFIX, designed by Amano himself...
Tidus and Yuna from FFX. Artwork by Amano, even though the character designs were by Nomura. Gee...
Shuyin and Lenne from FFX-2. Again, the character designs were by Nomura, yet Amano drew them anyways...
So, in case you still haven't figured it out, let me clue you in... Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy... XD Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon???
Oh, and for all of you CloTis who claim that Amano's art means nothing... why, oh, why are you asking for a CloTi pic from Amano??? Yep, that's right. The CloTis have made up a petition in which they pathetically beg Square for proof of Cloud and Tifa's "love". Why is this? Because they don't have any proof of their own. What is amusing in this petition is their request for a "romantic picture" by Yoshitaka Amano. Now, why would he want to do that when Cloud and Tifa are not, and were never meant to be, the true couple of FFVII? He already has art of the true couple of FFVII, in case you hadn't noticed, CloTis. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count unless he draws Cloud with Tifa, right? *Sarcasm* This is typical CloTi hypocrisy right here, folks. Amano's art of Cloud and Aerith means nothing, and yet they beg for Amano art of Cloud and Tifa to prove that Cloud and Tifa are canon??? Gawd, I will be laughing for weeks... XD
WAIT! Hold on, doesn't Advent Children then screw up the couples thing? The ending suggests Aeris with Zack and Tifa with cloud mostly because of her chat about being a family and what not and Zack with Aerith because they leave through the doorway together in the end. And they clarified that Cloud was searching for Aeries/Aerith to appologize for not protecting her suggesting a platonic view of their relationship.
just because they leave at the same time doesnt mean that they are leaving to continue a life together! sheesh if cid and vincent walk out the same door together does that suggest they are a couple? I think not
also if you noticed although aerith leaves before zack she is the last to dissappear
also tifa smiles at cloud but instead of returning that smile he turns to see aerith and after she leaves cloud's burdern has finally been lifted and thus that is the only time he smiles, and not for or becuase of tifa
being forgiven isnt the only reason that cloud was looking for aerith
just look at vincent...he loved lucrecia as does cloud for aerith
they both blamed each other for their deaths and they couldn't forgive themselves and you cant tell me vincent went to lucrecia just so he could feel better I dont think so
both cloud and vincent didnt have to blame themselves
but they did
not only becuase they felt they could've save them but because they couldn't accept that they were goneFirst of all Pink, Cloud DID return his smile to Tifa. You just need to look harder. Also, the fact that she is the last to dissapear means nothing. I don't see the reason in posting that. I agree with you that Cloud's burden was lifted after he saw Aerith and then smiled. That's true. But anyone would smile at someone who's forgiven them. Cloud's problem though wasn't accepting her death, it was shouldering the guilt OF her death. There's a difference.
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Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:44 pm
Sol_Zorian .[.pink.spider.]. dianersj .[.pink.spider.]. here are some symbols hidden in FFVII when you think about it everything has a reason:
Names--
Aerith/Aeris's name is one form of a Latin word for "air" or "cloud". "Eris" is the Greek goddess of discord and strife ("eris" also means "strife" in Greek). So, Aerith's name can be translated as "cloud" and also as "strife". This is just one more indication of the mystical connection between Cloud and Aerith. Aerith's name has other meaning as well. Her name can mean "flower", which is appropriate, since she was a flower girl. "Aerith" is also an anagram of "I Earth", signifying her relationship with the planet. Also, since "Aeris" is pronounced like "heiress", this demonstrates her role as the last Cetra and rightful heir to the planet.
Tifa's name, on the other hand, is quite different. "Tiferet" is an aspect of the tree of life (along with "Sephirot"). Tiferet represents beauty (she is beautiful), balance (she is very athletic), and love (she loves Cloud). However Tiferet also symbolizes self-sacrifice to the Christian Kabbalists and the "will to carry one neighbor's cross". This refers to Tifa sacrificing her own happiness at the end of FFVII when she realizes that Cloud wishes only to be reunited with Aerith. She hangs her head in resignation, accepting that Aerith is the only one in Cloud's heart. Tifa would sacrifice anything to make Cloud happy. This includes her own happiness. Even Tifa's surname of "Lockheart" is symbolic. The two words "lock" and "heart" clearly show Tifa's inability to express her feelings to anyone, especially Cloud. It also shows that Tifa keeps her emotions hidden deep within her, under tight lock and key. She puts on a facade of happiness to hide her own doubt, insecurity, and sadness.
Clothing--
All of the symbolism in the game points toward Cloud and Aerith being the true couple of the game. Want to know more? Go here. This site is very impressive. Everything on it is backed up with loads of research. It shows that Cloud and Aerith were the couple in the game, while Tifa was meant to be portrayed as a tragic character. For example, just look at the colors each woman wore. Aerith wore red, the color of love in Japan. Tifa wore black and white, which are symbols of mourning and misfortune in Japan. Another example is that of Aerith's ribbon. Soul mates are portrayed in Japan as being connected by a ribbon or string. This is backed up when we realize that Cloud and Aerith are connected on a deeper level (Cloud speaks with Aerith in his dreams, Cloud can sense Aerith's presence, etc...). These examples are just barely scratching the surface of the symbolism involved in FFVII.
now for advertising : D
See what I mean? And, on the Coke label, Cloud and Aerith appear directly below Squall and Rinoa, a canon couple. Has Square ever done this for Cloud and Tifa? No. In fact, Square has endorsed ClAeris as a couple right along with canon couples for awhile now. As you probably know, Square releases a lot of figures with each Final Fantasy game. What you may not know is that there was a special cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVII released. That scene was of Cloud lowering Aerith's body into the water during her funeral scene. What is interesting to note is that, later, with the release of FFVIII, Square released yet another cold-cast sculpture of a scene from FFVIII. This time, it was of Squall and Rinoa, during the ball at Balamb Garden. So, once again, we see Cloud and Aerith paired up in a piece of official Square merchandise. Not only that, but they appear to be endorsing Cloud and Aerith as a couple, right along with Squall and Rinoa.
Another hint of this type is in the latest release of FFVII (FFVII: International).Pictured on the first game disc is Cloud, the second disc, Aerith, and the third disc, Sephiroth. The reason I bring this up is because of previous FF games. For FFVIII, Squall was pictured on the first disc, Rinoa on the second, Seifer on the third, and Laguna on the fourth. With FFIX, Zidane was pictured on the first disc, Garnet on the second, Steiner on the third, and Vivi on the fourth. Do you not see a pattern? First disc= hero. Second disc= heroine/love interest. The other discs show either a villain or other, "less important", characters. So, where is Tifa in regards to FFVII:International? On the bonus fourth disc with everyone else.
now for offical artwork biggrin
Cloud and Aerith appear together in official artwork by Yoshitaka Amano. Some people try to argue this point by saying that Amano had "nothing to do with FFVII", which is completely untrue. Amano was the character designer for all of the Final Fantasy games until Tetsuya Nomura took over for FFVII. Amano still did much of the visual design for FFVII and much of the artwork, even though Nomura's was also used. So, yes, he was involved in FFVII and his artwork is considered official. This should be obvious when looking at Amano's designs for the characters of FFVII. Many of the FFVII characters resemble the original Amano designs. Amano's artwork is still considered appropriate and significant today, as it is displayed with all of the official FF artwork, right alongside that of Nomura. In fact, the cover of the FFVII Original Soundtrack is Amano artwork of Cloud with Aerith (the same image that is the background for this page). The OST was released after FFVII. So, why use this artwork on the OST if it is not appropriate? Simple. Amano's artwork portrays exactly what was intended-- CloudxAerith. Some examples of Amano's CloudxAerith pics... (the background of this page is Amano art of Cloud and Aerith, entitled "Tranquility")...
Still not convinced? Do you still think Amano's art of Cloud with Aerith means nothing? Well, take a look at these...
The official FFVIII logo, with Squall and Rinoa, designed by Yoshitaka Amano. And, yet, the characters were designed by Nomura... Hmmm...
Zidane and Garnet from FFIX, designed by Amano himself...
Tidus and Yuna from FFX. Artwork by Amano, even though the character designs were by Nomura. Gee...
Shuyin and Lenne from FFX-2. Again, the character designs were by Nomura, yet Amano drew them anyways...
So, in case you still haven't figured it out, let me clue you in... Amano only draws canon couples. Do you see any drawings by him of SquallxQuistis, AuronxLulu, or CloudxTifa? No. Amano will also draw the antagonist and protagonist (villain and heroine) together, portraying light and dark. Some examples of Amano art with the villain and heroine together are his art of Seymour with Yuna and his art of Sephiroth with Aerith. Some people claim that Amano's art of Sephiroth with Aerith is romantic. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but since when do romantic couples threaten each other? That's right... In one of the pictures of Sephiroth with Aerith, Sephiroth is holding his sword to Aerith's throat. Yeah, watch out for the romance there, buddy... XD Amano will also draw friends together, as he drew Cloud with Red XIII. However, do you once see Amano portraying Cloud with Tifa? No. And Amano was quite aware of the changes to the storyline, including the death of Aerith and the addition of Tifa (added late in the game). However, he still did not draw Cloud and Tifa together. Tifa is portrayed alone in Amano's works, as she was in the game, and as she is in Advent Children. So, my question for you CloTis is: If Amano's art is considered canon for all of the other Final Fantasy games, then why would you claim that his art of Cloud and Aerith is not considered canon???
Oh, and for all of you CloTis who claim that Amano's art means nothing... why, oh, why are you asking for a CloTi pic from Amano??? Yep, that's right. The CloTis have made up a petition in which they pathetically beg Square for proof of Cloud and Tifa's "love". Why is this? Because they don't have any proof of their own. What is amusing in this petition is their request for a "romantic picture" by Yoshitaka Amano. Now, why would he want to do that when Cloud and Tifa are not, and were never meant to be, the true couple of FFVII? He already has art of the true couple of FFVII, in case you hadn't noticed, CloTis. Oh, that's right, it doesn't count unless he draws Cloud with Tifa, right? *Sarcasm* This is typical CloTi hypocrisy right here, folks. Amano's art of Cloud and Aerith means nothing, and yet they beg for Amano art of Cloud and Tifa to prove that Cloud and Tifa are canon??? Gawd, I will be laughing for weeks... XD
WAIT! Hold on, doesn't Advent Children then screw up the couples thing? The ending suggests Aeris with Zack and Tifa with cloud mostly because of her chat about being a family and what not and Zack with Aerith because they leave through the doorway together in the end. And they clarified that Cloud was searching for Aeries/Aerith to appologize for not protecting her suggesting a platonic view of their relationship.
just because they leave at the same time doesnt mean that they are leaving to continue a life together! sheesh if cid and vincent walk out the same door together does that suggest they are a couple? I think not
also if you noticed although aerith leaves before zack she is the last to dissappear
also tifa smiles at cloud but instead of returning that smile he turns to see aerith and after she leaves cloud's burdern has finally been lifted and thus that is the only time he smiles, and not for or becuase of tifa
being forgiven isnt the only reason that cloud was looking for aerith
just look at vincent...he loved lucrecia as does cloud for aerith
they both blamed each other for their deaths and they couldn't forgive themselves and you cant tell me vincent went to lucrecia just so he could feel better I dont think so
both cloud and vincent didnt have to blame themselves
but they did
not only becuase they felt they could've save them but because they couldn't accept that they were goneFirst of all Pink, Cloud DID return his smile to Tifa. You just need to look harder. Also, the fact that she is the last to dissapear means nothing. I don't see the reason in posting that. I agree with you that Cloud's burden was lifted after he saw Aerith and then smiled. That's true. But anyone would smile at someone who's forgiven them. Cloud's problem though wasn't accepting her death, it was shouldering the guilt OF her death. There's a difference. I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:42 am
Sol_Zorian First of all Pink, Cloud DID return his smile to Tifa. You just need to look harder. Also, the fact that she is the last to dissapear means nothing. I don't see the reason in posting that. I agree with you that Cloud's burden was lifted after he saw Aerith and then smiled. That's true. But anyone would smile at someone who's forgiven them. Cloud's problem though wasn't accepting her death, it was shouldering the guilt OF her death. There's a difference.
he would never be alone.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:44 am
.[.pink.spider.]. Sol_Zorian First of all Pink, Cloud DID return his smile to Tifa. You just need to look harder. Also, the fact that she is the last to dissapear means nothing. I don't see the reason in posting that. I agree with you that Cloud's burden was lifted after he saw Aerith and then smiled. That's true. But anyone would smile at someone who's forgiven them. Cloud's problem though wasn't accepting her death, it was shouldering the guilt OF her death. There's a difference.
he would never be alone.So noone noticed that Cloud smiled while fighting Kadaj Im guessing?
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:46 am
dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crap
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:53 am
.[.pink.spider.]. dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crapOn the way to a smile is an official novel. I havent read it, but I know it is real and official.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:15 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crap
Square-Enix wouldn't endorse anything fanmade that they didn't consider canon. While others might want to ignore Ultimania Omega, it is still considered canonical, because Square IS making money off of the thing, unlike doujinshi. In essense, it is the equivalent to Perfect Works for Xenogears, although I doubt you know what that is.
Please do a little more research before stating things such as 'Cloud and Tifa starting a life together is bull crap.' It isn't crap, and the reason they wouldn't show it in Dirge of Cerberus is the same reason they wouldn't have Sephiroth as an integral part of the story. It's a VINCENT game, not a Cloud and Avalanche game. The others only get cameo appearances, at best. Since Tifa's and Cloud's relationship (be it platonic or romantic) does not correlate to Vincent's backstory, then it wouldn't be included.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:17 pm
Did Cloud try to join SOLDIER for Yuffie? Tifa, all the way.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:21 pm
Well i would think that it would be tifa but, aeris pops up and becomes a "distraction" ,i found out at a part in the game where you go on a date with aeris that whenever you anwser questions about likeing aeris or tifa you can go on a date with either one of them, except when you go out with tifa it feels more like your just hanging out and having some innocent fun, depending on how you play the game. examples of deciding who you go out with for a date like when barrets daughter asks you about aeris saying she seemed to have a thing for you cloud if you anwser well i dont really think so that goes toward dating tifa and saying the other goes toward dating areis.(if im the only one who noticed this when clouds mother tells cloud he should get an older woman to care for him it points towerd aeris again , i looked in the game manual aeris is older than cloud wile tifa is younger)
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:39 pm
StrawberrieIceCream .[.pink.spider.]. dianersj I agree with Sol_Zorian. Cloud didn't just smile at Aertih. In the FF VII novel, On the Way to a Smile, Cloud smiled at Tifa. He was happy that he got to start a new life with Tifa.
how could they start a life together if Cloud doesnt even show any romantic affection towards tifa? because if cloud and tifa actually were together we would've seen so in DoC. so them starting a life together is bull crap
Square-Enix wouldn't endorse anything fanmade that they didn't consider canon. While others might want to ignore Ultimania Omega, it is still considered canonical, because Square IS making money off of the thing, unlike doujinshi. In essense, it is the equivalent to Perfect Works for Xenogears, although I doubt you know what that is.
Please do a little more research before stating things such as 'Cloud and Tifa starting a life together is bull crap.' It isn't crap, and the reason they wouldn't show it in Dirge of Cerberus is the same reason they wouldn't have Sephiroth as an integral part of the story. It's a VINCENT game, not a Cloud and Avalanche game. The others only get cameo appearances, at best. Since Tifa's and Cloud's relationship (be it platonic or romantic) does not correlate to Vincent's backstory, then it wouldn't be included.
and this is what I got:
This story covers the years between the end of Final Fantasy VII and the beginning of Advent Children. On the Way to a Smile gives fans an insight to what happened with the characters during that time.
On the Way to a Smile appears on the official Japanese Advent Children website. It has also been released as part of the Advent Children Prologue art book.
so basically what I read was that its about Denzel's story and such
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