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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:34 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
I'm sorry, but I have to pick at this one. There is no way you could have avoided that, intentionally or not. You're simply npot fast nor skilled enough to move in such a way that would throw off an S rank's aim, and if you didn't even know it was coming even less so. The only way to avoid it is if you moved after it was fired, because Himura simply wouldn't have aimed that badly. And recall that this is a lightning bolt. It moves at a minimum of C rank, since that's it's rank, and probably faster at that. In other words, it is as fast as, or faster than, your own maximum speed. Since you are completely unaware of it, the advantage of reaction
speed doesn't even apply.


I didn't react to it. I didn't even know it was coming. I noticed masaki doing hand signs, hik said it would hit the dame time as the bolt so I knelt down. Greg aimed it at my chest so it was dodged without Gage knowing.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:19 pm


I posted because I feel it is a great character development opportunity. If/When Duo edits his post I will edit mine to match, but I am kind of glad for the insight into the incredibly dense skull of Masaki's (which isn't as dense as it was supposed to be, but the funnest characters have a way of screwing that kind of stuff up).

Not sure if any of this was made clear in the post, but I learned a lot in writing it so.... screwballzschnapplewhitz I'm going with it.

I do think it is pushing it, although he is correct about the waterball thing. Although he blocked the waterball and dodged the lightning, which is different from dodging the lightning accidentally while dodging the water bullet.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:49 pm


It was already said that dodging that was in my range. It was also what I had planned for in the first place. I posted it here in OOC after I asked for the jutsu rank.

Your post was fine, don't worry about edits. The only changes I'm making to mine are grammatical errors and changing Jonin to chuunin.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:23 pm


-X Duo Yiro X-
Hinote Tosatsu
I'm sorry, but I have to pick at this one. There is no way you could have avoided that, intentionally or not. You're simply npot fast nor skilled enough to move in such a way that would throw off an S rank's aim, and if you didn't even know it was coming even less so. The only way to avoid it is if you moved after it was fired, because Himura simply wouldn't have aimed that badly. And recall that this is a lightning bolt. It moves at a minimum of C rank, since that's it's rank, and probably faster at that. In other words, it is as fast as, or faster than, your own maximum speed. Since you are completely unaware of it, the advantage of reaction
speed doesn't even apply.


I didn't react to it. I didn't even know it was coming. I noticed masaki doing hand signs, hik said it would hit the dame time as the bolt so I knelt down. Greg aimed it at my chest so it was dodged without Gage knowing.

Two things Duo:

Firstly, there isn't actually an ability in the guild called "Quick Step." You'd simply be using your own speed to move. The way it usually operates is if your speed is two ranks apart from someone, the movement acts as a shunshin, or instantaneous movement ability that allows you to "disappear" and reappear where you'd wish. However, since your speed is lower than Aoi's, she'd plainly see you moving.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood the way I described the ally. Nikko's is the only building down an alley, meaning it is in the back as the very end. On each side of Nikko's, there are buildings which line the alley. Since the alley has only one exti (behind Aoi), I don't see how you and your clone darted left and right and where exactly, because there aren't roads or alleys on either side of Nikkos, just buildings. If anything, you'd be attempting to scale the buildings on either side.

If you have any questions or statements or anything feel free to quote me. I've been helping a friend move since Friday and won't be done until tomorrow night, but I'll respond nonetheless.

As an aside though, the guild does still run on the two-rank rule and given your stats Aoi and Himura are definitely still faster than you as far as speed and your own reaction time. Hinote touched on it earlier so I won't delve into that anymore

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:00 am


Luo1304
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Hinote Tosatsu
I'm sorry, but I have to pick at this one. There is no way you could have avoided that, intentionally or not. You're simply npot fast nor skilled enough to move in such a way that would throw off an S rank's aim, and if you didn't even know it was coming even less so. The only way to avoid it is if you moved after it was fired, because Himura simply wouldn't have aimed that badly. And recall that this is a lightning bolt. It moves at a minimum of C rank, since that's it's rank, and probably faster at that. In other words, it is as fast as, or faster than, your own maximum speed. Since you are completely unaware of it, the advantage of reaction
speed doesn't even apply.


I didn't react to it. I didn't even know it was coming. I noticed masaki doing hand signs, hik said it would hit the dame time as the bolt so I knelt down. Greg aimed it at my chest so it was dodged without Gage knowing.

Two things Duo:

Firstly, there isn't actually an ability in the guild called "Quick Step." You'd simply be using your own speed to move. The way it usually operates is if your speed is two ranks apart from someone, the movement acts as a shunshin, or instantaneous movement ability that allows you to "disappear" and reappear where you'd wish. However, since your speed is lower than Aoi's, she'd plainly see you moving.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood the way I described the ally. Nikko's is the only building down an alley, meaning it is in the back as the very end. On each side of Nikko's, there are buildings which line the alley. Since the alley has only one exti (behind Aoi), I don't see how you and your clone darted left and right and where exactly, because there aren't roads or alleys on either side of Nikkos, just buildings. If anything, you'd be attempting to scale the buildings on either side.

If you have any questions or statements or anything feel free to quote me. I've been helping a friend move since Friday and won't be done until tomorrow night, but I'll respond nonetheless.

As an aside though, the guild does still run on the two-rank rule and given your stats Aoi and Himura are definitely still faster than you as far as speed and your own reaction time. Hinote touched on it earlier so I won't delve into that anymore


I just use the term for lack of a better word.

Wow yeah that's twice. So nikko's shop door faces where? The alley?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:01 am


-X Duo Yiro X-
Luo1304
-X Duo Yiro X-
Hinote Tosatsu
I'm sorry, but I have to pick at this one. There is no way you could have avoided that, intentionally or not. You're simply npot fast nor skilled enough to move in such a way that would throw off an S rank's aim, and if you didn't even know it was coming even less so. The only way to avoid it is if you moved after it was fired, because Himura simply wouldn't have aimed that badly. And recall that this is a lightning bolt. It moves at a minimum of C rank, since that's it's rank, and probably faster at that. In other words, it is as fast as, or faster than, your own maximum speed. Since you are completely unaware of it, the advantage of reaction
speed doesn't even apply.


I didn't react to it. I didn't even know it was coming. I noticed masaki doing hand signs, hik said it would hit the dame time as the bolt so I knelt down. Greg aimed it at my chest so it was dodged without Gage knowing.

Two things Duo:

Firstly, there isn't actually an ability in the guild called "Quick Step." You'd simply be using your own speed to move. The way it usually operates is if your speed is two ranks apart from someone, the movement acts as a shunshin, or instantaneous movement ability that allows you to "disappear" and reappear where you'd wish. However, since your speed is lower than Aoi's, she'd plainly see you moving.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood the way I described the ally. Nikko's is the only building down an alley, meaning it is in the back as the very end. On each side of Nikko's, there are buildings which line the alley. Since the alley has only one exti (behind Aoi), I don't see how you and your clone darted left and right and where exactly, because there aren't roads or alleys on either side of Nikkos, just buildings. If anything, you'd be attempting to scale the buildings on either side.

If you have any questions or statements or anything feel free to quote me. I've been helping a friend move since Friday and won't be done until tomorrow night, but I'll respond nonetheless.

As an aside though, the guild does still run on the two-rank rule and given your stats Aoi and Himura are definitely still faster than you as far as speed and your own reaction time. Hinote touched on it earlier so I won't delve into that anymore


I just use the term for lack of a better word.

Wow yeah that's twice. So nikko's shop door faces where? The alley?


Yes. Basically if your post as originally written was interpreted to match the scene, you and your clone went out the front door together, in plain sight, and then ran up the side walls to try and hide. Not all that effective, though I suppose you could still try to use clone tactics to hide your identity. The rock thing wouldn't work at all though.

@Luo/Greg: I feel that the speed type should be rewritten slightly. One benefit is written as "hard for anyone below Jounnin to even track these ninja". This, I feel, is a misrepresentation, as anyone with reaction speed equal to the speed user could track them easily. And if the speed user is a genin, any chuunin should be able to track them quite easily, while for a jounin it'd be nothing at all. The implication is given that even a jounin might have a hard time following their movement, and a chuunin would be totally lost, even though they have equal speed. I suspect that is one reason why Duo feels confident in his disappearing speed despite facing a jounin. (Apologies if I'm wrong, but the point does still stand as if not you, then someone else might make the same mistake.)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:37 am


Hinote Tosatsu
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Luo1304
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Hinote Tosatsu
I'm sorry, but I have to pick at this one. There is no way you could have avoided that, intentionally or not. You're simply npot fast nor skilled enough to move in such a way that would throw off an S rank's aim, and if you didn't even know it was coming even less so. The only way to avoid it is if you moved after it was fired, because Himura simply wouldn't have aimed that badly. And recall that this is a lightning bolt. It moves at a minimum of C rank, since that's it's rank, and probably faster at that. In other words, it is as fast as, or faster than, your own maximum speed. Since you are completely unaware of it, the advantage of reaction
speed doesn't even apply.


I didn't react to it. I didn't even know it was coming. I noticed masaki doing hand signs, hik said it would hit the dame time as the bolt so I knelt down. Greg aimed it at my chest so it was dodged without Gage knowing.

Two things Duo:

Firstly, there isn't actually an ability in the guild called "Quick Step." You'd simply be using your own speed to move. The way it usually operates is if your speed is two ranks apart from someone, the movement acts as a shunshin, or instantaneous movement ability that allows you to "disappear" and reappear where you'd wish. However, since your speed is lower than Aoi's, she'd plainly see you moving.

Secondly, I think you misunderstood the way I described the ally. Nikko's is the only building down an alley, meaning it is in the back as the very end. On each side of Nikko's, there are buildings which line the alley. Since the alley has only one exti (behind Aoi), I don't see how you and your clone darted left and right and where exactly, because there aren't roads or alleys on either side of Nikkos, just buildings. If anything, you'd be attempting to scale the buildings on either side.

If you have any questions or statements or anything feel free to quote me. I've been helping a friend move since Friday and won't be done until tomorrow night, but I'll respond nonetheless.

As an aside though, the guild does still run on the two-rank rule and given your stats Aoi and Himura are definitely still faster than you as far as speed and your own reaction time. Hinote touched on it earlier so I won't delve into that anymore


I just use the term for lack of a better word.

Wow yeah that's twice. So nikko's shop door faces where? The alley?


Yes. Basically if your post as originally written was interpreted to match the scene, you and your clone went out the front door together, in plain sight, and then ran up the side walls to try and hide. Not all that effective, though I suppose you could still try to use clone tactics to hide your identity. The rock thing wouldn't work at all though.

@Luo/Greg: I feel that the speed type should be rewritten slightly. One benefit is written as "hard for anyone below Jounnin to even track these ninja". This, I feel, is a misrepresentation, as anyone with reaction speed equal to the speed user could track them easily. And if the speed user is a genin, any chuunin should be able to track them quite easily, while for a jounin it'd be nothing at all. The implication is given that even a jounin might have a hard time following their movement, and a chuunin would be totally lost, even though they have equal speed. I suspect that is one reason why Duo feels confident in his disappearing speed despite facing a jounin. (Apologies if I'm wrong, but the point does still stand as if not you, then someone else might make the same mistake.)


Agreed. This line has always been quite vauge, and while the two can be used in sync, speed does not guarantee stealth. I second the notion of editing the type.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:20 am


Yeah I wasn't trying to exploit that. I actually tried to work within reason, I thought nikko's faced a main road and had a side alley for this kind of thing. I was going to use that to my advantage by hiding and using the clone, something that was well within reason, but most would use a clone as diversion and then came up behind their opponent, but using my reaction time perk and the fact that I'm facing a Jonin, I did the opposite. The tracking could probably use the one rank higher rule as well. Genin can hide their tracks as well as chuunin ect.

But i would like the point out, it specifically says tracking, not fighting. I make sure to leave an opening in all my post for people to follow my movements. In this particular post I was under the impression Aoi couldn't see me. Fighting wise she could probably stop me in my tracks, but if I had a five or ten minute head start to run I think it would be a different story. The only confidence I have facing Aoi right now is surprises, doing something that seems completely retarded and stringing them together to create a trap of sorts. Keeping in Line with my assassin class. I am sort of glad this came up. But there's my take on the matter. Id also like to reference when I first came to Kiri. I'm my test I simply used my speed bonus, stating "if this man was who he said he is, he could keep up with the movements." I've learned to leave those types of things dangling when your in combat with higher ranks.

As far as stealth goes, I'm sorry to say but that had to do with my assassin class and I also left that open by using the terms "stealth and great speed". Simply put I combined the two together to basically "disappear" for a short amout of time. The kunai would divert her attention to the place it came from. Giving the clone time to move quickly and quietly. With her attention diverted the term stealth could eaisly be used although I did leave an opening for that as well, but that would be in the setting I originally thought we where in. Also I'm not arguing, just stating that I knew what the benefits where, the only thing I had messed up was the ranking, which really isn't too bad. I actually agree that it should probably be a little clearer, and also point out that in character I've been a genin for 3 years. Out of character probably two. Most of it was actually spent training by myself if I remember correctly. So if my character seems to sound like he has a good head on his shoulders its Cus he's 17 1/2 and has been a genin since 15 lol

Again it was a missread, so of course ill edit my post accordingly, but before I do. Aoi can see me in the place right?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:27 pm


Mind checking your spelling too? Comity is a bit of an eyesore...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:12 pm


Hikaro_rin
Mind checking your spelling too? Comity is a bit of an eyesore...


I would if I had that precious luxury. Unfortunately I cant use my pc for Gaia at the moment so its a bit of a pain. Sorry. Phone post are the best I can offer momentarily. Luo knows the whole situation.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:41 pm


@Duo: No worries, it is written pretty vaguely. But yeah Nikko's is down a huge alley and is the only building at the end. And yes Aoi can see you. However, I did not know your RPC had been a genin for almost three years. So it would kind of make sense that he was a bit wiser than a newly appointed genin, after all the chuunin exams are difficult to pass and most people have to attempt them at least twice before success.

@Hinote: That line is a pretty vague one, we'll have to do something about that.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:54 pm


You'll probably be able to post before I edit it. So ill give you a backbone. I'll have both of me do a few transformation jutsu after my clone walks behind me to confuse you. All the dialect stays the same. Instead of the jumping idea. I'll have one transform into a kunai and the other stay the same. I'll throw a really bad kunai and miss completely, so bad that you'll have that in the back of your mind then start talking to you as whoever the kunai was transforms back to normal and holds you at point, taking over for the person speaking originally.

Basically ill have you in a "Oreo" predicament. Oh and I believe Hik is behind me as well. So that's what the end result will be. The two weeks just started so that's the best I can do for now. I hope that helps. It'll also give me an option to try and fight instead of running from the beginning.

Actually I never attempted the Exams due to the massive amount of inactivity in Iwa. Well mostly the conflicting schedules. There was a year or two time skip when academy students where removed and I was already genin. Got 3 free jutsu and then cobra trained me a little. Then I learned fire Taijutsu from death spank. So basically I've only had two weeks tops of jutsu training and the rest of the time to train myself so yeah its kinds a pain Cus I never had enough jutsu to go for it.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:11 pm


-X Duo Yiro X-
You'll probably be able to post before I edit it. So ill give you a backbone. I'll have both of me do a few transformation jutsu after my clone walks behind me to confuse you. All the dialect stays the same. Instead of the jumping idea. I'll have one transform into a kunai and the other stay the same. I'll throw a really bad kunai and miss completely, so bad that you'll have that in the back of your mind then start talking to you as whoever the kunai was transforms back to normal and holds you at point, taking over for the person speaking originally.

Basically ill have you in a "Oreo" predicament. Oh and I believe Hik is behind me as well. So that's what the end result will be. The two weeks just started so that's the best I can do for now. I hope that helps. It'll also give me an option to try and fight instead of running from the beginning.

Actually I never attempted the Exams due to the massive amount of inactivity in Iwa. Well mostly the conflicting schedules. There was a year or two time skip when academy students where removed and I was already genin. Got 3 free jutsu and then cobra trained me a little. Then I learned fire Taijutsu from death spank. So basically I've only had two weeks tops of jutsu training and the rest of the time to train myself so yeah its kinds a pain Cus I never had enough jutsu to go for it.

Well, in the future please be sure to read jutsu descriptions because this plan is explicitly stated to be impossible:

Henge No Jutsu (Transformation Technique)
Description: A user of this skill has the ability to transform their outer appearance to that of another form, which can be a person or object. However, due to the physical restrictions on the body, the user cannot transform into anything extremely smaller or larger than what they already are. Therefore one could not transform into a shuriken or a small animal. Neither can the user transform into an enlarged or distented form of anything (therefore no such thing as a small human-sized adult elephant, or a human-sized ant). Therefore the user must always be within the same proportions as the original form of the object. Also, the user does not gain any extra physical ability through Henge. (i.e. transforming into a cheetah will not give you a cheetah's speed) Henge is dispelled when the user is touched in an offensive matter. Thus after the user hits the target in their transformed state they revert.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:49 pm


Oh that's true I forgot about the edits to that. Ummm oh I think this could work. Same thing but one will be an eagle or some large flying bird thing, the other will tie something (I really don't know yet either) to its neck and if flies away going in the direction your facing and widely circles back behind you. The whole point of the clone was to get behind you. So I guess it'll be a bit extreme.

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