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 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:33 am
My ridiculously flimsy (yet somewhat good) Blood Angels list (1750 points)
HQ
Librarian - 140 points
Plasma pistol and jump pack
Has sanguine sword and the blood lance
Elites
Sanguinary Guard Squad - 265 points
Chapter Banner
Death Masks
Sanguinary Priests - 270 points
3 priests, each with a jump pack and power weapon
Troops
Assault Squad - 235 points
2 Melta guns, sergeant with power fist
Assault Squad - 235 points
2 Melta guns, sergeant with power fist
Assault Squad - 235 points
2 Melta guns, sergeant with power fist
Assault Squad - 235 points
2 Melta guns, sergeant with power fist
Heavy Support
Vindicator - 145 points
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:38 am
that is quite flimsy, you'd be hard pressed against something that could overpower/overrun your assault troops in close combat, like say tyranids or horde based ork armies
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:32 pm
Without any tanks and vehicles in your army Kuroda, then you are at risk of getting shot to shreds and surrounded by close combat armies. I chose what i chose because they have a thump. My troops go in close, drop pod bangs on to where the claws are needed, and the hunters will come in the rhino and shoot something. If you want to add your wolf guard to your squads, i suggest you add a heavy weapon. Add extra nastiness to the squad.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:41 pm
Dante Silas Without any tanks and vehicles in your army Kuroda, then you are at risk of getting shot to shreds and surrounded by close combat armies. I chose what i chose because they have a thump. My troops go in close, drop pod bangs on to where the claws are needed, and the hunters will come in the rhino and shoot something. If you want to add your wolf guard to your squads, i suggest you add a heavy weapon. Add extra nastiness to the squad. My army also has 'thump' as anyone stupid enough to surround my army will find a great gaping hole in their forces next turn due to 20 blood claws and 2 psykers worth of fury. Njal stormcaller on his own is capable of standing in the middle of a tyranid army and blasting a large hole in it. In essence my army can overrun anything short of a horde army with pure brute force, given the right tactics of course. In the case of horde armies i have to be slightly more cunning but it still turns out the same way. The reason i dont give my guard heavy weapons is that my army is required to stay relatively mobile, adding heavy weapons would render my squad leaders practically useless. the nastiness is in the extra power weapons and plasma shots that will eat away at armoured targets my normal troops can't quite handle.
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:03 pm
I'd rate the BA over the SW list - why? because of sanguinary priests and grail in the sanguinary guard give them FNP, and jump packs give them mobility. And foot slogging wolves are prone to being badly shot by Tau or IG.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:32 am
I think i'd go for Dante's SW list as it has the mobility of a drop pod and Rhino, as well as the deep striking terminators dropping into the fray where they are needed. Although i would drop Arjac Rockfist for another unit of troops for 200 something points.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:33 am
Van Evok I'd rate the BA over the SW list - why? because of sanguinary priests and grail in the sanguinary guard give them FNP, and jump packs give them mobility. And foot slogging wolves are prone to being badly shot by Tau or IG. bear in mind that the BA force is 250 points more than the SW lists, he'd have to drop one of his squads, probably one of the assault squads, and some wargear. If any of you live near me i will happily play a game and we can see how our theories work in practice.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:54 am
Empress Lunar Rose I think i'd go for Dante's SW list as it has the mobility of a drop pod and Rhino, as well as the deep striking terminators dropping into the fray where they are needed. Although i would drop Arjac Rockfist for another unit of troops for 200 something points. I dont know if Space Wolves can use the Deep Strike rule with Terminator Armour. In the book it talks about how the Space Wolves choose to follow in Leman Russ' example and just charge into the fight from the ground. Now i could take a troops choice, drop Rockfist, although i've made the model and i want to use him. I can take a second unit of Grey Hunters, 2 flamers and a Rhino transport. Add another 1000 points to the army and i'm adding a unit of Thunderwolf Cavalry, and a Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf to back them up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:25 pm
Dante Silas and i'm adding a unit of Thunderwolf Cavalry, and a Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf to back them up. I like this =D I'm looking into getting bikes in my army in bigger games, possibly getting the white scar bikers and converting them into a wolf lord and swiftclaws.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:56 pm
Kuroda Ryuzaki that is quite flimsy, you'd be hard pressed against something that could overpower/overrun your assault troops in close combat, like say tyranids or horde based ork armies Believe me, it's very hardpressed, granted i've only faced space marines with it so far, but when they get the drop on me, it tends to not fare very well. IN addition, the lack of heavy infantry killers is a problem, i had to upgrade it to a 1750 list to add in a vindicator to give it some dedicated heavy infantry killer
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:14 pm
That makes sense, i can't really suggest anything cos i know very little if anything about the new blood angels codex.
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:23 pm
Kuroda Ryuzaki Dante Silas and i'm adding a unit of Thunderwolf Cavalry, and a Wolf Lord on a Thunderwolf to back them up. I like this =D I'm looking into getting bikes in my army in bigger games, possibly getting the white scar bikers and converting them into a wolf lord and swiftclaws. Bikes are good, although it depends on the roll they will play in the battle. For me the Thunderwolves will be used as my hit and run and a unit to tie up objectives. I've down graded my first Wolf Lord and made him into a Wolf Guard Battle Leader, and a second Wolf Lord on the Thunderwolf. I've also included a unit of Fenrisian Wolves, a Rune Priest and a further unit of Blood Claws in a Rhino Transport
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:44 pm
-xAngel of Redemptionx- Kuroda Ryuzaki that is quite flimsy, you'd be hard pressed against something that could overpower/overrun your assault troops in close combat, like say tyranids or horde based ork armies Believe me, it's very hardpressed, granted i've only faced space marines with it so far, but when they get the drop on me, it tends to not fare very well. IN addition, the lack of heavy infantry killers is a problem, i had to upgrade it to a 1750 list to add in a vindicator to give it some dedicated heavy infantry killer I'd recommend taking a Dreadnought in place of a Vindicator. You have an armoured walking gun base. Give it a twin linked lascannon and you have an anti armour busters. I would also consider taking Death Company, and Tactical Marines instead of just Assault Marines. Btw Dante, what are you going to be making your Thunderwolf Cavalry from? Are you using Canis Wolfborn as a base for all 4 of them, or something different?
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Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:47 pm
Empress Lunar Rose -xAngel of Redemptionx- Kuroda Ryuzaki that is quite flimsy, you'd be hard pressed against something that could overpower/overrun your assault troops in close combat, like say tyranids or horde based ork armies Believe me, it's very hardpressed, granted i've only faced space marines with it so far, but when they get the drop on me, it tends to not fare very well. IN addition, the lack of heavy infantry killers is a problem, i had to upgrade it to a 1750 list to add in a vindicator to give it some dedicated heavy infantry killer I'd recommend taking a Dreadnought in place of a Vindicator. You have an armoured walking gun base. Give it a twin linked lascannon and you have an anti armour busters. I would also consider taking Death Company, and Tactical Marines instead of just Assault Marines. Btw Dante, what are you going to be making your Thunderwolf Cavalry from? Are you using Canis Wolfborn as a base for all 4 of them, or something different? I intend on using Canis Wolfborn as the basis for my lord, although there are a few changes to be made first, but all in good time. The three members of the Cavalry will be made from the upcoming plastic blood crushers. If my memory serves correct, in the Space Wolves codex, it talks about mechanical wolves, so i figured the Blood Crushers would make a good start.
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:02 pm
Alright here's the updated 1500 point army
HQ
Wolf Guard Battle Leader 190 points
Terminator Armour, Replace Storm Bolter with Storm Shield, Wolf Tail Talisman, Saga of the Warrior Born
Elites
Wolf Guard Pack 353 points
Wolf Guard Nygard - Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield
Wolf Guard Wickstrom - Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Power Fist
Wolf Guard Horma - Terminator Armour, Assault Cannon, Power Fist
Wolf Guard Lisko - Terminator Armour, Chainfist
Wolf Guard Olli - Terminator Armour, Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield,
Wolf Guard Tude - Terminator Armour, Pair of Wolf Claws
Wolf Scouts Pack 105 points
5 Scouts, Sniper Rifles, Melta Bombs, Mark of the Wulfen
Troops
Grey Hunters Pack 190 points
10 Grey Hunters, Flamer, Plasma Gun, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Wolf Standard
Drop Pod 35 points
Blood Claws Pack 165 points
10 Blood Claws, 1 Flamer, Power Weapon
Rhino Transport 45 points
Extra Armour
Grey Hunters Pack 175 points
10 Grey Hunters, 2 Flamers, Power Fist
Rhino Transport 45 points
Extra Armour
Fast Attack
Skyclaw Assault Pack 156 points
7 Skyclaws, Plasma Gun, Power Weapon
Heavy Support
Long Fangs Pack 110 points
5 Long Fangs, 2 Heavy Bolters, 2 Missile Launchers, Power Weapon
Total = 1499 points
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