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 Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:50 pm
nosh276 band4ever101 About the rehabilitation comment. You can't change someone who isn't willing to change. And most aren't. They are the ones who go out and become repeat offenders. Some are willing...but most aren't. <3 If rehabilitation is not possible, then they should remain in prison for life, but not to be killed. The death penalty is as bad as murder. For the record, I support educating prisoners as well as compulsory labor. Every prisoner should have a "9-5" job within the prison. They should work six days a week for free with 7 vacation days including national holidays. Sick days should be taken out of the vacation days. Prisons should have products that are produced from local materials, then sold nationally, if not internationally as well. All profits will go toward the costs of running a prison. If all costs are met, the profits then will be used to assist in the funding of public education and public works projects (such as bulding or repairing roads or building parks). All prisoners will be required to go to weekly therapy and rehabilitation work shops. With this system, criminals are no longer a threat to society. Since they've gained an education, therapy and rehabilitation (in every case possible), they can, upon release, become productive, peaceful, free members of society. If rehabilitation fails and their sentence is finished, they will relocated to a new city, set up with a group home and have daily meetings with a parole officer. If the prisoner shows signs of rehabilitation after 6 months, the meetings will be reduced to twice a week. After another six months, once a week. After a year, once a month. After two years, once every three months. After this final transition, if the convict has continuously shown signs of progressing rehabilitation, then they will only have to meet with a parole officer once a year for the next nine years. After that, if they've only shown improvement, they will be let go. If they become a repeat offender, their original sentence is doubled or tripled depending on the severity of the crime. Rape and Murder criminals get life in prison no matter what. Women can be convicted of rape. If signs of rehabilitation are never shown, they will be returned to the prison to work indefinitely--until signs of rehabilitation (if these appear, they will join the parole program) or natural death. They will continue weekly therapy and rehabilitation training. Those in the parole program also will have to go to a once weekly support group meeting for convicts for the entirety of their parole and they must complete two hundred hours, over the entire course of parole, of unpaid volunteer work. That's what I want.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:35 am
Aakiyana I agree with you totally. This was actually really well thought-out, I couldn't have said it better myself. With your suggestion the people in prison are no longer threatening other citizens and they're actually being punished. We really oughta have more people like you in office. Hehehe Thanks. <3
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:45 pm
I'll agree that it is well thought out. Except I don't buy it. I don't see it working.
The current system is a rehiblitation system. There is no reason a prisoner should be able to get cigarettes in a prison, which they currently can. They have therapy and all that in some (not all) prisons already. It hasn't been working.
Also, by your system minor crimes could land you life in prison, if you don't show signs of rehiblitation. I mean what if someone is convicted of shoplifting, even though the didn't actually do it and refused to participate? What about the people who end up in jail and think your program are stupid and refuse to do it? They spend life in prison because they don't want to go through some thearpy program?
And like Band said, most of them probably aren't willing to change. Your program wont make them change unless they take it seriously and they want to change.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:09 pm
marshjazz I'll agree that it is well thought out. Except I don't buy it. I don't see it working.
The current system is a rehiblitation system. There is no reason a prisoner should be able to get cigarettes in a prison, which they currently can. They have therapy and all that in some (not all) prisons already. It hasn't been working.
Also, by your system minor crimes could land you life in prison, if you don't show signs of rehiblitation. I mean what if someone is convicted of shoplifting, even though the didn't actually do it and refused to participate? What about the people who end up in jail and think your program are stupid and refuse to do it? They spend life in prison because they don't want to go through some thearpy program?
And like Band said, most of them probably aren't willing to change. Your program wont make them change unless they take it seriously and they want to change.
Also the punishment would most likely fit the crime according to nosh's system. If a person was convicted of shoplifting and had no real part in it but being an accomplice, why would they decide to do things the hard way just because they feel the program is "stupid"? They probably wouldn't even have to do the therapy or if they do, they wouldn't have to go through it for long, if they didn't actually do anything.
And if they don't want to change, then so be it, they'll just spend the rest of their miserable lives working their butts off. Least they're off the streets being productive and not dead.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:53 pm
It's pretty close. Doesn't have the same policies, but some of the same systems have been implimented.
Maybe because they don't like the way the system is, or they don't think it is nessicary, or they plain out just don't want to participate.
Also, how would the policy work on insanity cases? Or mentally-retarded people? What about people with physical disablilities? What scale will be used to determine the sevarity of a crime? How will it be determined? What about crimes commited by minors? Will there be a difference in sentance for murder 1, 2, 3 and manslaughter? Will their be county jails or just state jails? If both are kept how will prisoners be divided up? Will there be co-ed jails or will they all be seperated by gender? Lastly, will the quality of living for the prisoners stay the same or change?
I mean to really impliment his/your the whole system will have to be redone. I mean all the security gaurds and judges will have to be re-educated. Lots of planning would have to go into it, and alot of money would initially be sunk into it, especially if life style changes were made.
I mean, I actually kinda like the plan. Don't get me wrong, I'm not chaning from my position, but it is actually one of the better plans I have come across thus far.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:56 pm
marshjazz I'll agree that it is well thought out. Except I don't buy it. I don't see it working.
The current system is a rehiblitation system. There is no reason a prisoner should be able to get cigarettes in a prison, which they currently can. They have therapy and all that in some (not all) prisons already. It hasn't been working.
Also, by your system minor crimes could land you life in prison, if you don't show signs of rehiblitation. I mean what if someone is convicted of shoplifting, even though the didn't actually do it and refused to participate? What about the people who end up in jail and think your program are stupid and refuse to do it? They spend life in prison because they don't want to go through some thearpy program?
And like Band said, most of them probably aren't willing to change. Your program wont make them change unless they take it seriously and they want to change. I've never heard of therapy in a jail. No jail near me has it, at the very least. Also, you're misleading yourself if you think we have a rehabilitation. We have a deterrent system, hence why we have the death penalty. What rehabilitation can there be if the convict is killed. Shoplifting is a misdemeanornot a full fledged crime and you don't get sent to jail unless you're a several times repeat offender, which would mean you have a problem. In my system, education is also a key ingredient. Most of the people in jail nevre finished or barely finished high school. Many commit crimes because there's no viable legal way to earn money--hence why the military specifically targets severly impoverished places to recruit; they know these people have no safe way out and they prey on that. An education would allow them to break that viscious cycle. Also, it's better that the convicts fail the system by refusing to participation than what we have now, where the system fails everyone.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:41 pm
I have heard of therapy in jail. We have a system that involves rehibilitation and the death penalty. They both work together.
And for clinically insane people who are basically born to kill, what rehibilitation can be made? There parents skined people alive right in front of them, they are scared for life or however else it came about. You can't stop a crazy person from being crazy.
My spelling, what is "nevre?" Many people in low income simply refuse to learn/do the work in school. They think it isn't going to help them and it isn't going to get them anywhere. They figure since they can't afford college it does them no good to try. I've seen it happen time and time again. You can't teach those who are unwilling to learn.
I don't see the system failing everyone. Plenty of people go to jail once and never (or is it "nevre") go back. Do they not count as everyone?
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:30 pm
marshjazz I have heard of therapy in jail. We have a system that involves rehibilitation and the death penalty. They both work together.
And for clinically insane people who are basically born to kill, what rehibilitation can be made? There parents skined people alive right in front of them, they are scared for life or however else it came about. You can't stop a crazy person from being crazy.
My spelling, what is "nevre?" Many people in low income simply refuse to learn/do the work in school. They think it isn't going to help them and it isn't going to get them anywhere. They figure since they can't afford college it does them no good to try. I've seen it happen time and time again. You can't teach those who are unwilling to learn.
I don't see the system failing everyone. Plenty of people go to jail once and never (or is it "nevre") go back. Do they not count as everyone? First of all, typographical errors are not the same as spelling and grammatical errors. Secondly, all evidence shows that the system we have does not work. Also, again, we do not have a rehabilitation program. Clinically insane people wouldn't be jailed; they would be hospitalized, obviously. If the system doesn't work for one person, it doesn't work for anyone because everyone is affected by that imperfection. You're kind of annoying; ergo, I'm finished trying to enlighten you.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:46 am
I find that the current system does work to some extent. If it didn't work at all, then I doubt we'd still be using it after 200 years. I'm not effected by the jail systems imperfections.
Well, good, cause you are annoying. Tring to enlighten me? You go on thinking that.
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Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:07 pm
I say that they should be tortured(not too much but enough)for a little while.If they commit a crime again give them a worse time.If they do it so many times depending on the crime, obviously they won't stop.then they need a painful death.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:50 pm
I didn't read through theses pages but I have some points of my own. I had to debate in a class one time, so I have some facts about it for myself. I, personally, am against, for a few reasons. One, you're just putting that person out of their misery, and not teaching why it was wrong, and without punishment. For them, that is probably the best thing in their mind, for they don't have to go through any kind of punsihment. Two, people say a life sentence in jail with paroll is the worst thing. That gives them punishment, and not the easy way out. That is all the death punishment is. Three, deal with races. For a wither person who killes a black, only the murder dies. As for a black person who kills a whilte person, a lot die. That is because they kill others who they think are involved in that murder. Four. If you go and kill someone for killing someone, don't you think that you are just as bad as them? You are just as bad as they are. Of course they will be out of our lives and they wont be able to do anything, but you are just as bad as that person who killed other people. It may be for antoher purpose, but what right do you have to do that? Five. It goes agaisnt the bible. I don't know what religion you are, if you have one at all, but in any religion, that is a rule. Even though they broke it, it doesn't mean that you need to do the same, as said before. As i have said before, jail with paroll is the best punishment, for it is considered the worst. Death is just an easy way out, no punishment included. You are taking away their punishment and giving them peace. I don't know about you, but those are my reasons. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, but this is just how I think. I'm agaisn't it.
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Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:40 pm
I like the Death Penalty. What are they doing in there? nothing but eating food that could go to people who need it (i.e. hurricane victims) and in general wasting our time and products.I guess that seems harsh but its the truth really. maybe if they worked... I dont know. just I dont know.
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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:02 am
So what your saying is, just to cut down on products and stuff, you go and be exactly like the killer and kill them off? People will always be in prisons. You can't just go and kill whoever you want. You will just be giving them an easy way out. One thing of the law is punishment. If you kill them, you arent punishing them. You are giving them something that they want, espically if they have a life sentence. They don't have high grade food at all for the prisnors, so food is not an issue. It never has been in prisons. That is not a factor or problem in prisons as far as I can see. You don't see news about it, or in papers. Also, do you really think that giving victims from hurricanes and other related events food that the prisonors is efficent? That is not good food what so ever.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:24 pm
Yoshinori_Rinoa I like the Death Penalty. What are they doing in there? nothing but eating food that could go to people who need it (i.e. hurricane victims) and in general wasting our time and products.I guess that seems harsh but its the truth really. maybe if they worked... I dont know. just I dont know.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:29 am
i think i matters on the severity(lol weird word wait is it real?) of the rape and or murder if the victem died in sleep then the one getting death should to. if the victem was slowly torcherd then a slow painfull death for the one who done it!they should feel the pain of there victem not get off easy
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