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i find rogue talents intimidating. every time i look at a build i just wanna crying

i like the first bit of subtlety stuff (imp sap, the increased level of sneak), but most builds seem to ignore it. i want to use daggers (my pally doesn't use axes, my rogue sticks with daggers, i'm a geek sweatdrop )

i want to do dps, i want to survive in pve, and i haven't decided on pvp. i'm only 25 or so, so i haven't messed up completely yet.

some suggestions pwetty pweeze?

Level combat-swords. It's foolproof, and you should have no problem soloing. Daggers are far more tedious to level with -- you rely on gouge for far too much dps. If gouge misses, you'll be stuck spamming SS with low top-end daggers until gouge is up or you have enough combo points for a ks.

With swords, maces or fists, spam sinister strike until you build up 5 combo points. If the mob is <25% health, evis. If it still has a good chunk of health left, kidney shot and continue the SS spam. Riposte every time it lights up. Level first aid and bandage between pulls.

Sample build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fGe0oxZG0Ez0VzxMGox

Dump your points into combat until you get riposte, then switch to assassination to get 2/2 remorseless attacks. From there, you can either choose to max malice early to continue up the combat tree to adrenaline rush.

Early on, look for agility/stamina (monkey) and agility/strength (tiger) gear. Your mainhand should be relatively slow (2.6-2.9) with high top-end. The speed of your offhand doesn't matter as much until you get combat potency, but try to keep it under 2.2 for poison applications. On a pve server, use dual instant or deadly (MH crip on runners). OH crip and MH instant on active pvp servers.

When you ding 70, respec into a more instance/raid/pvp friendly build. If you choose to stay combat swords, this will mean dropping riposte and imp eviserate in order to pick up imp SnD, murder, and a few combat fillers.

Okay, let me try and properly use this thread for once whee

I went holy, found it boring to level, but liked it because I got about 100 whispers a day to do instances. But since I liked ret so much, I went back to lv. more. But now, I'm thinking about going tankadin spec and give that a whirl.

I'll be 67 in a bubble once I get back into the game... but anyway this is the spec I'm thinking about. Opinions? Feedback?

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I was going to try some AoE grinding with this spec and MT the 5 mans in outlands. I've read that Tankadins make better OT's in Kara though.

It's alright. But I prefer going into a build that is more like this.

15 - 46- 0

Reasons:

Defense isn't too important in World of Warcraft now a days. Everything is about Armor and Resilence, because armor will generally give you more Defense than you need. Reckoning is a vaulable move, but since you are tanking, It's impractical to go for the full 10% with additional 3 points. 4%, which I like to consider 5% because I like intervals of 5. is suffice enough so that it'll proc enough when it does, while still managing to be vaulable.

I am never too fond of Stoicism, considering it seems to be more of a PvP talent than a PvE one. So i took that out to get the full points in toughness because Armor scales alot by 10% at level 70.

One-handed Weapon Specialization is VERY important, because if you read the talent, it says that in increases ALL damage done by 5% when you EQUIP a one-handed. Basically, it'll increase the damage you deal from all sources as long as you have a 1-handed weapon in your hand. So I believe that is very important in all aspects.

Ardent Defender is alright, but I don't like the fact that you get below 35% health in the first place unless you are in a raid group of some sort. But then again, when you think about it, if a boss hits you to below 35% health, there is no way that cutting 1/3 of the damage will save you on the next hit. So I prefer going for the easy 18%.

I took off the imp. healing for Divine Strength for the reason that strength is an important factor for Damage and the amount of damage your shield absorbs. Strength is indeed the stats that effects this, so it only compliements your other shield-based talents.

Otherwise, you did a relatively good job.

Because I don't know much about warriors end-game. I haven't actually seen a raid area on any of my own characters since BWL. I just hop on my friend's 70s and go to Karazhan or whatever if they want me to make sure they keep their 100% raid attendance but have something to do. gonk

Paladins should level like this if they wanna stay Ret until 70, or you can just do this until 50-ish and respecc Prot, Prot is bad for levelling early, though, and I prefer to respecc at 55.

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LEVEL 10 - Improved Blessing of Might
LEVEL 11 - Improved Blessing of Might
LEVEL 12 - Improved Blessing of Might
LEVEL 13 - Improved Blessing of Might
LEVEL 14 - Improved Blessing of Might
LEVEL 15 - Improved Seal of Crusader
LEVEL 16 - Improved Seal of Crusader
LEVEL 17 - Improved Seal of Crusader
LEVEL 18 - Benediction
LEVEL 19 - Benediction
LEVEL 20 - Seal of Command
LEVEL 21 - Conviction
LEVEL 22 - Conviction
LEVEL 23 - Conviction
LEVEL 24 - Conviction
LEVEL 25 - Conviction
LEVEL 26 - Benediction
LEVEL 27 - Benediction
LEVEL 28 - Benediction
LEVEL 29 - Improved Judgement
LEVEL 30 - Sanctity Aura
LEVEL 31 - Two Handed Weapon Specialization
LEVEL 32 - Two Handed Weapon Specialization
LEVEL 33 - Two Handed Weapon Specialization
LEVEL 34 - Improved Judgement
LEVEL 35 - Sanctified Judgement
LEVEL 36 - Sanctified Judgement
LEVEL 37 - Sanctified Judgement
LEVEL 38 - Vengeance
LEVEL 39 - Vengeance
LEVEL 40 - Repentance
LEVEL 41 - Sanctified Crusader
LEVEL 42 - Sanctified Crusader
LEVEL 43 - Sanctified Crusader
LEVEL 44 - Vengeance
LEVEL 45 - Fanatisism
LEVEL 46 - Fanatisism
LEVEL 47 - Fanatisism
LEVEL 48 - Fanatisism
LEVEL 49 - Fanatisism
LEVEL 50 - Crusader Strike

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LEVEL 51 - Divine Strength
LEVEL 52 - Divine Strength
LEVEL 53 - Divine Strength
LEVEL 54 - Divine Strength
LEVEL 55 - Divine Strength
LEVEL 56 - Divine Intellect
LEVEL 57 - Divine Intellect
LEVEL 58 - Divine Intellect
LEVEL 59 - Divine Intellect
LEVEL 60 - Divine Intellect

After this, it doesn't really matter.

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Ok, the point of this build is to give you the maximum critical strike chance with your melee weapon and your Seal of Command. When you get Sanctity Aura at level 30, it is the only aura you will be using so do not make the mistake of putting points into Improved Devotion Aura. Sanctity Aura increases holy damage by 10%.

Start off the battles with Seal of the Crusader casted on yourself. Judge the target to put the effects of Seal of Crusader on it. Now, cast Seal of Command on yourself and keep judging the target with Seal of Command.. and use Hammer of Justice as often as you can before judging.

With the combination of Improved Seal of Crusader and Sanctity Aura you're holy judges do a lot more damage. When you put points into Sanctified Crusader at level 41 and Fanatisism at level 45 you're Judgements will crit A LOTTT and deal huge amounts of damage. Seal of Command has its damage increased when the target is stunned so Hammer of Justice and Repentance as SOON as the cooldowns are finished!