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 Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:11 pm
mistressofthelost To morsusmihi: To a married couple, I would reccomend birth control and condoms. Pregnancy isn't that hard to prevent. I know a girl who has gotten pregnant at least 3 times and had an abortion every time. Yes, I know abortion lowers the body's ability to reproduce, but it doesn't eliminate it. Yeah, some teens may want the kids. My best friend is trying to get pregnant right now actually. But it's still not a smart decision to have a child before you have the ability and stability to raise it. War happens. People get mad, they fight. If we were attacked, I'd definitely want to go to war so we can protect ourselves. War, when done right, is just self-defence on a large scale. Not all kids who enter the system enter up in a bad place. Then again, it does happen. I know 6 siblings that have been adopted by the same family (they're my cousins you could say). They're perfectly normal and happy. I can't say I know anyone who wasn't adopted out of the system, but then again, if they cleaned up the system, it wouldn't be that bad. Yes, birth control *both forms* are a good idea, but they're not completely effective...they can fail. What if it fails? The couple have a child on the way that they don't want. I know that it doesn't eliminate the body's ability to reproduce, it's just not very likely that these girls would be able to have 4 or 5 abortions between ages 13 and 18...though it can happen, it's not very often. I did state that it's not smart. War is never self-defense. I'm sorry, but more often than not, war is retaliation. The twin towers were hit with planes. It took 2 years for the U.S. to go to war over the subject. 2 years where no other terroristic threats were carried out on U.S. soil. We were retaliating, not defending. The only thing we may have been defending was our pride. This is only one of the many wars that were made from retaliation. Don't get me wrong, if we were attacked again I'd go down and sign up for the army as soon as possible and get my butt over to where ever the people were who were responsible for attacking us, but that doesn't make it right in the eyes of God, but then again, I'm not your orthodox Christian. I believe what I believe and I do what I do, even if what I do is wrong according to what I believe. And yes, adopted kids can grow up to be happy and normal. But what about the ones who aren't adopted? Or what about the ones who were adopted, but dwell on the thoughts that their parents didn't want them? Thoughts like that tear up a person. Thoughts like that can drive a person insane, make them hate everything. They can make people want to end it all and they possibly think that they'd be helping others by ending them as well. Understand? Would you want to have a kid, give it up for adoption, keep track of it and find out that it killed 20 or 30 people because it hated everything because it thought that you didn't want it?
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:14 pm
Victum Soul Read the book of JOB. He mentions something like ''why wasn't I aborted?? '' there was abortion methods. Plain and simple: when a father found out his teenage girl was pregnant he would give hear a beat up so bad she would stay alive, but she'd lose her baby. Actually, usually if a girl got pregnant back then when she was a teenager the father would just kill the girl.
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:23 pm
morsusmihi Victum Soul Read the book of JOB. He mentions something like ''why wasn't I aborted?? '' there was abortion methods. Plain and simple: when a father found out his teenage girl was pregnant he would give hear a beat up so bad she would stay alive, but she'd lose her baby. Actually, usually if a girl got pregnant back then when she was a teenager the father would just kill the girl. they used to throw stones at them, if they survived they wouldn't kill them, but of course their intention was to kill them, im with you in that
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:28 pm
morsusmihi mistressofthelost To morsusmihi: To a married couple, I would reccomend birth control and condoms. Pregnancy isn't that hard to prevent. I know a girl who has gotten pregnant at least 3 times and had an abortion every time. Yes, I know abortion lowers the body's ability to reproduce, but it doesn't eliminate it. Yeah, some teens may want the kids. My best friend is trying to get pregnant right now actually. But it's still not a smart decision to have a child before you have the ability and stability to raise it. War happens. People get mad, they fight. If we were attacked, I'd definitely want to go to war so we can protect ourselves. War, when done right, is just self-defence on a large scale. Not all kids who enter the system enter up in a bad place. Then again, it does happen. I know 6 siblings that have been adopted by the same family (they're my cousins you could say). They're perfectly normal and happy. I can't say I know anyone who wasn't adopted out of the system, but then again, if they cleaned up the system, it wouldn't be that bad. Yes, birth control *both forms* are a good idea, but they're not completely effective...they can fail. What if it fails? The couple have a child on the way that they don't want. I know that it doesn't eliminate the body's ability to reproduce, it's just not very likely that these girls would be able to have 4 or 5 abortions between ages 13 and 18...though it can happen, it's not very often. I did state that it's not smart. War is never self-defense. I'm sorry, but more often than not, war is retaliation. The twin towers were hit with planes. It took 2 years for the U.S. to go to war over the subject. 2 years where no other terroristic threats were carried out on U.S. soil. We were retaliating, not defending. The only thing we may have been defending was our pride. This is only one of the many wars that were made from retaliation. Don't get me wrong, if we were attacked again I'd go down and sign up for the army as soon as possible and get my butt over to where ever the people were who were responsible for attacking us, but that doesn't make it right in the eyes of God, but then again, I'm not your orthodox Christian. I believe what I believe and I do what I do, even if what I do is wrong according to what I believe. And yes, adopted kids can grow up to be happy and normal. But what about the ones who aren't adopted? Or what about the ones who were adopted, but dwell on the thoughts that their parents didn't want them? Thoughts like that tear up a person. Thoughts like that can drive a person insane, make them hate everything. They can make people want to end it all and they possibly think that they'd be helping others by ending them as well. Understand? Would you want to have a kid, give it up for adoption, keep track of it and find out that it killed 20 or 30 people because it hated everything because it thought that you didn't want it? If birth control fails wouldn't that be interpreted as a decision God made? dude, you are being pretty negativo with this whole situation. For a married couple, no matter what's the situation, a baby will never be anything else but happiness. And about the adopted kids topic. Man, they could grow full of hate and turn into serial killers, but you can't know if they will or will not when they haven't even born. Usually when a girl gives her baby in adoption they bless them and pray for their safety, then it's in God's hands. For those that don't well dude, why don't you and me start praying for those kids that were put for adoption without being blessed?
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:42 pm
mistressofthelost Lazarus The Resurected mistressofthelost Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh... FINALY!! FRESH MEAT!!! Ok for your first statment i have this simple rebuttal. Get raped. when that's over realize that you haven't had your period for a few months. get a pregnancy test. find out that the rapist impregnated you. now tell me you want to keep that child concieved of nothing but hate and pain in your mind. Also have you any idea how many murderers gangmembers and illadjusted sociopaths the foster care system turns out? if that kid dosen't get adopted real quick the chances of being alright at age 20 are pretty silm. Here's a qurestion are you willing to devote 18 years of your lfe to something? are you willing to do it alone if the father bails. are you willing to live off wellfare becasue you never graduated because you had to drop out to rais your child? if you answered no to any of these then yes. an unborn child is a quite threatening thing. yuo know why they have 2-3 kids before getting out of highschool? because they never finish highschool after the seccond also i do not see the moral differance between abortion abd war at all. both are killing for personal gain. and actualy war should be less moral even that that becasue technically it's killing for the personal gain of some one else and getting paid for it. besides. how many unborn or newborn babies get killed when a missile fired miles away or a bomb dropped from miles up takes out a city block? wow another preacher of abstinence. what abotu those people who have had sex. it's a little difficult to keep from doing it if you've got a taste for it. And for yours, I have this. I have been raped and I thought I was pregnant. Guess what. I was willing to keep the child, even though I hate it's would-be father and my parents probably would've kicked me out, rape or no. I know girls in my class (senior) who have 2 kids with another on the way and they're graduating. Good for them for finishing I guess, but life would've been a whole lot easier if they had waited. I wasn't trying to equate them exactly, rather, they both involve the killing of innocents. Not that either is right, but when you are fighting to keep your country safe, a death is a little more justified that killing a child because you're too lazy to raise it. Also, I have had sex, both willing and not. I know it's hard to go without, but hey, I know I can manage. Well then you are a better person than i give creddit to the rest of humanity for being. however you are also a christian correct? what about the vast majority of the world who isn't? should they be punished because christians do not support the idea of abortion? For those girls in your school who have multile children and are still trying to graduate i bet i can point out at least a 2:1 ratio of girls who have dropped out. too lazy to raise it? or perhaps not economicaly able to support it. or not mature enough yourself yet to start a family. there are plenty of reasons besides lazyness to have an abortion. you go ahead with your celebacy i wish you luck.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:48 pm
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul My mother had two options when my father abandoned her being pregnant. She could've aborted me, or she could've take the risk and raise me all by herself. I'm glad she went for the second one. As my mother there's a lot of other single mothers. An abortion is a selfish decision about fixing your problem of being pregnant. You're killing a defenseless being. You want to kill the kid? let him/her born, grow and gain strength to fight back. And Lazarus: An unmarried teenage girl is pregnant. She has a few options, one of them: have an abortion. Her fiance is not the baby's father and he's very upset... She would get in so much trouble if she has the baby. She is poor, and her family will definitely NOT support her being in that situation. Would this one be a good reason to get an abortion? This unmarried teenage girl had her baby: Jesus Christ. ` Hey Vic the little storry would have been much cooler had you not ruined the ending. sadly for you i had heard it before. and last i checked in 33BC they had no abortion methods to speak of. I didn't ruin anything, I just wrote it like it goes. Sadly for me? dude, my happiness doesn't revolve around how many times I own you over and over again in these topics. Read the book of JOB. He mentions something like ''why wasn't I aborted?? '' there was abortion methods. Plain and simple: when a father found out his teenage girl was pregnant he would give hear a beat up so bad she would stay alive, but she'd lose her baby. I am not discussing anymore with you on this. It's pointless, you claim you're a christianm but you do not act like one, I have read only counted times a post by you that actually says according to God's heart. Reply if you want, you won't be honored with attention. Sorry dude, I still like you and all, but I'm not discussing anymore. I'm truly glad for your happiness not being in direct relation to your ownage of me especialy seeing as how i don't think you have ever sucessfully doen so. beating is not a legitimate form of abortion method as it tends to also result in the killing of the mother aswell. and here goes again the obligAtory "your not a christian" line. vic i have said it once and i will say it again. ******** off. becasue my beliefs on topics don't coinside with yours does not make me unchristian see the fundamental part of being a christian is not wether you believe that things like abortion/drinking are wrong. the mark of christians is that we have accepted jesus as our lord and saviour. you run from me every time we debate dude i would honestly consider you a coward. your attitude of "screw you , don't talk to me" is not very healthy. try actualy winning a debate rather than walking away from them when they get heated.
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:00 pm
Lazarus The Resurected mistressofthelost Lazarus The Resurected mistressofthelost Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh... FINALY!! FRESH MEAT!!! Ok for your first statment i have this simple rebuttal. Get raped. when that's over realize that you haven't had your period for a few months. get a pregnancy test. find out that the rapist impregnated you. now tell me you want to keep that child concieved of nothing but hate and pain in your mind. Also have you any idea how many murderers gangmembers and illadjusted sociopaths the foster care system turns out? if that kid dosen't get adopted real quick the chances of being alright at age 20 are pretty silm. Here's a qurestion are you willing to devote 18 years of your lfe to something? are you willing to do it alone if the father bails. are you willing to live off wellfare becasue you never graduated because you had to drop out to rais your child? if you answered no to any of these then yes. an unborn child is a quite threatening thing. yuo know why they have 2-3 kids before getting out of highschool? because they never finish highschool after the seccond also i do not see the moral differance between abortion abd war at all. both are killing for personal gain. and actualy war should be less moral even that that becasue technically it's killing for the personal gain of some one else and getting paid for it. besides. how many unborn or newborn babies get killed when a missile fired miles away or a bomb dropped from miles up takes out a city block? wow another preacher of abstinence. what abotu those people who have had sex. it's a little difficult to keep from doing it if you've got a taste for it. And for yours, I have this. I have been raped and I thought I was pregnant. Guess what. I was willing to keep the child, even though I hate it's would-be father and my parents probably would've kicked me out, rape or no. I know girls in my class (senior) who have 2 kids with another on the way and they're graduating. Good for them for finishing I guess, but life would've been a whole lot easier if they had waited. I wasn't trying to equate them exactly, rather, they both involve the killing of innocents. Not that either is right, but when you are fighting to keep your country safe, a death is a little more justified that killing a child because you're too lazy to raise it. Also, I have had sex, both willing and not. I know it's hard to go without, but hey, I know I can manage. Well then you are a better person than i give creddit to the rest of humanity for being. however you are also a christian correct? what about the vast majority of the world who isn't? should they be punished because christians do not support the idea of abortion? For those girls in your school who have multile children and are still trying to graduate i bet i can point out at least a 2:1 ratio of girls who have dropped out. too lazy to raise it? or perhaps not economicaly able to support it. or not mature enough yourself yet to start a family. there are plenty of reasons besides lazyness to have an abortion. you go ahead with your celebacy i wish you luck. I try. And yes, I am Christian. You do realize that Christians aren't the only one's who are pro-life right? Oh I know pleanty who have dropped out. That's going to happen no matter what. I still think it's dumb to get pregnant then let it happen again when your child is only a few months old and you have a year of school left (yes, real life situation). If you aren't willing to have a child, you really shouldn't be taking the risk. Or if you do decide to have sex, at least go on birth control/use a condom. I don't care how much "better" it feels, if you don't want to be a parent, put one on! If people would just use common sense every now and then, the "need" for abortions would be less.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:13 am
mistressofthelost Lazarus The Resurected mistressofthelost Lazarus The Resurected mistressofthelost Ok, new person. Personally, I think it's wrong. I would never have one, nor would I encourage any of my friends to. If you don't want the kid, give it up for adoption. At least that way it has a chance at life. And after that, learn to keep your legs closed. -.- I hate it how some teens have 2-3 kids before they get out of high school and wonder why people look down on them. Or when girls have had 4-5 abortions by graduation. It's insane. Besides, life starts at conseption. Taking life is a sin, unless it's in war or self defense. I don't think an unborn child is very threatening...but that's just me. If getting pregnant is a bad thing, don't do the things to lead up to being pregnant! Duh... FINALY!! FRESH MEAT!!! Ok for your first statment i have this simple rebuttal. Get raped. when that's over realize that you haven't had your period for a few months. get a pregnancy test. find out that the rapist impregnated you. now tell me you want to keep that child concieved of nothing but hate and pain in your mind. Also have you any idea how many murderers gangmembers and illadjusted sociopaths the foster care system turns out? if that kid dosen't get adopted real quick the chances of being alright at age 20 are pretty silm. Here's a qurestion are you willing to devote 18 years of your lfe to something? are you willing to do it alone if the father bails. are you willing to live off wellfare becasue you never graduated because you had to drop out to rais your child? if you answered no to any of these then yes. an unborn child is a quite threatening thing. yuo know why they have 2-3 kids before getting out of highschool? because they never finish highschool after the seccond also i do not see the moral differance between abortion abd war at all. both are killing for personal gain. and actualy war should be less moral even that that becasue technically it's killing for the personal gain of some one else and getting paid for it. besides. how many unborn or newborn babies get killed when a missile fired miles away or a bomb dropped from miles up takes out a city block? wow another preacher of abstinence. what abotu those people who have had sex. it's a little difficult to keep from doing it if you've got a taste for it. And for yours, I have this. I have been raped and I thought I was pregnant. Guess what. I was willing to keep the child, even though I hate it's would-be father and my parents probably would've kicked me out, rape or no. I know girls in my class (senior) who have 2 kids with another on the way and they're graduating. Good for them for finishing I guess, but life would've been a whole lot easier if they had waited. I wasn't trying to equate them exactly, rather, they both involve the killing of innocents. Not that either is right, but when you are fighting to keep your country safe, a death is a little more justified that killing a child because you're too lazy to raise it. Also, I have had sex, both willing and not. I know it's hard to go without, but hey, I know I can manage. Well then you are a better person than i give creddit to the rest of humanity for being. however you are also a christian correct? what about the vast majority of the world who isn't? should they be punished because christians do not support the idea of abortion? For those girls in your school who have multile children and are still trying to graduate i bet i can point out at least a 2:1 ratio of girls who have dropped out. too lazy to raise it? or perhaps not economicaly able to support it. or not mature enough yourself yet to start a family. there are plenty of reasons besides lazyness to have an abortion. you go ahead with your celebacy i wish you luck. I try. And yes, I am Christian. You do realize that Christians aren't the only one's who are pro-life right? Oh I know pleanty who have dropped out. That's going to happen no matter what. I still think it's dumb to get pregnant then let it happen again when your child is only a few months old and you have a year of school left (yes, real life situation). If you aren't willing to have a child, you really shouldn't be taking the risk. Or if you do decide to have sex, at least go on birth control/use a condom. I don't care how much "better" it feels, if you don't want to be a parent, put one on! If people would just use common sense every now and then, the "need" for abortions would be less. I do know there are more people who are pro-life than just christtians but you must admit christians make up the majority of the pro-life movement. yeah i know the birthconctor route all too well. the thing is double check rthat stuff sometimes. it's not 100% effective. i personaly had a rule that was condom not matter waht. i didn't care if she was on the pill or needles or whatever else, i always made sure i had myself covered (not pun intended). of course i still should have a kid right now. he/she should be about 3 years old. but hapily for me the mother aborted it before calling me to tell me she was pregnant. still looking back on it now i was a sixteen year oild highschool student with no job living about an hours drive from where the mother was. also i had no love for this girl at all. i was relieved nto to be tied down to her for 18 years of my life.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:26 pm
Victum Soul morsusmihi mistressofthelost To morsusmihi: To a married couple, I would reccomend birth control and condoms. Pregnancy isn't that hard to prevent. I know a girl who has gotten pregnant at least 3 times and had an abortion every time. Yes, I know abortion lowers the body's ability to reproduce, but it doesn't eliminate it. Yeah, some teens may want the kids. My best friend is trying to get pregnant right now actually. But it's still not a smart decision to have a child before you have the ability and stability to raise it. War happens. People get mad, they fight. If we were attacked, I'd definitely want to go to war so we can protect ourselves. War, when done right, is just self-defence on a large scale. Not all kids who enter the system enter up in a bad place. Then again, it does happen. I know 6 siblings that have been adopted by the same family (they're my cousins you could say). They're perfectly normal and happy. I can't say I know anyone who wasn't adopted out of the system, but then again, if they cleaned up the system, it wouldn't be that bad. Yes, birth control *both forms* are a good idea, but they're not completely effective...they can fail. What if it fails? The couple have a child on the way that they don't want. I know that it doesn't eliminate the body's ability to reproduce, it's just not very likely that these girls would be able to have 4 or 5 abortions between ages 13 and 18...though it can happen, it's not very often. I did state that it's not smart. War is never self-defense. I'm sorry, but more often than not, war is retaliation. The twin towers were hit with planes. It took 2 years for the U.S. to go to war over the subject. 2 years where no other terroristic threats were carried out on U.S. soil. We were retaliating, not defending. The only thing we may have been defending was our pride. This is only one of the many wars that were made from retaliation. Don't get me wrong, if we were attacked again I'd go down and sign up for the army as soon as possible and get my butt over to where ever the people were who were responsible for attacking us, but that doesn't make it right in the eyes of God, but then again, I'm not your orthodox Christian. I believe what I believe and I do what I do, even if what I do is wrong according to what I believe. And yes, adopted kids can grow up to be happy and normal. But what about the ones who aren't adopted? Or what about the ones who were adopted, but dwell on the thoughts that their parents didn't want them? Thoughts like that tear up a person. Thoughts like that can drive a person insane, make them hate everything. They can make people want to end it all and they possibly think that they'd be helping others by ending them as well. Understand? Would you want to have a kid, give it up for adoption, keep track of it and find out that it killed 20 or 30 people because it hated everything because it thought that you didn't want it? If birth control fails wouldn't that be interpreted as a decision God made? dude, you are being pretty negativo with this whole situation. For a married couple, no matter what's the situation, a baby will never be anything else but happiness. And about the adopted kids topic. Man, they could grow full of hate and turn into serial killers, but you can't know if they will or will not when they haven't even born. Usually when a girl gives her baby in adoption they bless them and pray for their safety, then it's in God's hands. For those that don't well dude, why don't you and me start praying for those kids that were put for adoption without being blessed? Birth control failing could be a decision God made, yes, but an unwanted baby, even when the parents are married, will put stress on the relationship. An unwanted baby in a marriage will bring more than just happiness, it could bring divorce. For example, my mom's best friend was married and got pregnant. Her and the father both wanted to give the baby up for adoption. When the baby was born, the father decided that he wanted to keep it. So, my mom's friend and her husband kept the baby. At one time, the kid tried to touch a hot burner on the stove. The mother smacked the boy's hand and the father snapped and hit the mother. The mother didn't want to leave because the child was still there and so she stayed in what had become an abusive relationship. My mother tried to talk her into getting a divorce and that's when her husband took her and moved away. My mother and her lost contact for 15 years. We have no idea what happened in that time, but she's still married to the kid's father. Yes, I know that this is one incident, but like it or not, babies do put a strain on a marriage if the parents are unready or do not want children. You do make a good point, there's no way that we can know. But what if someone threatened to do a school *or if you're out of school go to your work* shooting where you go to school *or work* would you rather have that person arrested or would you just hope that they weren't being serious? Now, understand that personally, I would not have an abortion, but also personally I'm saving myself for marriage. Another personally, I don't want kids so if I were to get pregnant, I would give the baby up for adoption. I'm just saying that it should be legal for people who have different beliefs than me.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:56 pm
morsusmihi Victum Soul morsusmihi mistressofthelost To morsusmihi: To a married couple, I would reccomend birth control and condoms. Pregnancy isn't that hard to prevent. I know a girl who has gotten pregnant at least 3 times and had an abortion every time. Yes, I know abortion lowers the body's ability to reproduce, but it doesn't eliminate it. Yeah, some teens may want the kids. My best friend is trying to get pregnant right now actually. But it's still not a smart decision to have a child before you have the ability and stability to raise it. War happens. People get mad, they fight. If we were attacked, I'd definitely want to go to war so we can protect ourselves. War, when done right, is just self-defence on a large scale. Not all kids who enter the system enter up in a bad place. Then again, it does happen. I know 6 siblings that have been adopted by the same family (they're my cousins you could say). They're perfectly normal and happy. I can't say I know anyone who wasn't adopted out of the system, but then again, if they cleaned up the system, it wouldn't be that bad. Yes, birth control *both forms* are a good idea, but they're not completely effective...they can fail. What if it fails? The couple have a child on the way that they don't want. I know that it doesn't eliminate the body's ability to reproduce, it's just not very likely that these girls would be able to have 4 or 5 abortions between ages 13 and 18...though it can happen, it's not very often. I did state that it's not smart. War is never self-defense. I'm sorry, but more often than not, war is retaliation. The twin towers were hit with planes. It took 2 years for the U.S. to go to war over the subject. 2 years where no other terroristic threats were carried out on U.S. soil. We were retaliating, not defending. The only thing we may have been defending was our pride. This is only one of the many wars that were made from retaliation. Don't get me wrong, if we were attacked again I'd go down and sign up for the army as soon as possible and get my butt over to where ever the people were who were responsible for attacking us, but that doesn't make it right in the eyes of God, but then again, I'm not your orthodox Christian. I believe what I believe and I do what I do, even if what I do is wrong according to what I believe. And yes, adopted kids can grow up to be happy and normal. But what about the ones who aren't adopted? Or what about the ones who were adopted, but dwell on the thoughts that their parents didn't want them? Thoughts like that tear up a person. Thoughts like that can drive a person insane, make them hate everything. They can make people want to end it all and they possibly think that they'd be helping others by ending them as well. Understand? Would you want to have a kid, give it up for adoption, keep track of it and find out that it killed 20 or 30 people because it hated everything because it thought that you didn't want it? If birth control fails wouldn't that be interpreted as a decision God made? dude, you are being pretty negativo with this whole situation. For a married couple, no matter what's the situation, a baby will never be anything else but happiness. And about the adopted kids topic. Man, they could grow full of hate and turn into serial killers, but you can't know if they will or will not when they haven't even born. Usually when a girl gives her baby in adoption they bless them and pray for their safety, then it's in God's hands. For those that don't well dude, why don't you and me start praying for those kids that were put for adoption without being blessed? Birth control failing could be a decision God made, yes, but an unwanted baby, even when the parents are married, will put stress on the relationship. An unwanted baby in a marriage will bring more than just happiness, it could bring divorce. For example, my mom's best friend was married and got pregnant. Her and the father both wanted to give the baby up for adoption. When the baby was born, the father decided that he wanted to keep it. So, my mom's friend and her husband kept the baby. At one time, the kid tried to touch a hot burner on the stove. The mother smacked the boy's hand and the father snapped and hit the mother. The mother didn't want to leave because the child was still there and so she stayed in what had become an abusive relationship. My mother tried to talk her into getting a divorce and that's when her husband took her and moved away. My mother and her lost contact for 15 years. We have no idea what happened in that time, but she's still married to the kid's father. Yes, I know that this is one incident, but like it or not, babies do put a strain on a marriage if the parents are unready or do not want children. You do make a good point, there's no way that we can know. But what if someone threatened to do a school *or if you're out of school go to your work* shooting where you go to school *or work* would you rather have that person arrested or would you just hope that they weren't being serious? Now, understand that personally, I would not have an abortion, but also personally I'm saving myself for marriage. Another personally, I don't want kids so if I were to get pregnant, I would give the baby up for adoption. I'm just saying that it should be legal for people who have different beliefs than me. You make a good point, but I would like to add something: EVERY marriage based ON GOD will never, NEVER fail. I am aware not all marriages are, though.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:02 pm
Yes, all marriages based on God will not fail, but there are marriages that are not based on God that don't fail either...though you probably know that.
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:12 pm
morsusmihi Yes, all marriages based on God will not fail, but there are marriages that are not based on God that don't fail either...though you probably know that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:06 am
I think the womb is a sacred place untouched by sin. To descrate something that God made sacred is wrong and we shouldn't add to list of things He has given us that we have stomped on and thrown back in his face.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:27 pm
IrelandGunner I think the womb is a sacred place untouched by sin. To descrate something that God made sacred is wrong and we shouldn't add to list of things He has given us that we have stomped on and thrown back in his face. untouched by sin? let me just think on that ofr a second... ok so the premarital c**k jammed in it was not sinfull? the womb is no more sacred than the woman it belongs too.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:08 pm
Lazarus The Resurected IrelandGunner I think the womb is a sacred place untouched by sin. To descrate something that God made sacred is wrong and we shouldn't add to list of things He has given us that we have stomped on and thrown back in his face. untouched by sin? let me just think on that ofr a second... ok so the premarital c**k jammed in it was not sinfull? the womb is no more sacred than the woman it belongs too. obviously, you don't know what a womb is...
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