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 Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:25 am
Easier said than done... Actually, I think I got it. It just feels quite funny.
Now lately I've been listening to some of them Aymara recordings, and you know the /i/ becomes /e/ and /u/ to /o/ thing before uvuar consonants thingy of course. The thing is, it seems like a lot of the time they also become /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ respectively, and though I doubt that it causes much of a problem to intelligibility, I'd like to try and somehow find a pattern of when they become one or the other. But, I can find nothing.
Also, I notice that the vowel height shifting also seems to happen even when /i/ or /u/ are adjacent to a consonant cluster containing a uvular consonant too. For example a made up word /t'usqi/, which I would think would be realized as [t'usqe], but from what I hear, actually becomes [t'osqe]. I don't even know it /sq/ is a possible consonant cluster, but whatever. So then, is it safe to say that the vowel shifting happens when adjacent to an uvular consonant, or group of consonants containing a uvular consonant?
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:21 am
You get used to it after a while of it feeling funny. ;Þ
I've noticed the same things.
It says some stuff about the use of [E] and [O] in Compendio, I know, but I don't remember what it was. I'll look it up when I get home.
Yes, it does do that. And /sq/ is perfectly viable, it's present in "phisqa," the word for "five," which is where I heard it. As far as I can tell, the vowel shifting behaves quite a bit like Russian palatalisation in that regard.
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Eccentric Iconoclast Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:19 pm
M'kay.
And in what way is it similar to Russian palatization? I don't know much about that.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:42 pm
Russian palatalisation makes all of the consonants before the vowel palatalised.
So in the word "vzgljad," not only is the /l/ palatalised, but the /v/, /z/ and /g/. It doesn't do it after, though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:49 pm
Thats quite the scary lot of consonants. surprised
Anyway. But then, doesn't the vowel shift in Aymara also occur after a consonant group containing /q/? Like, wouldn't , if it is a word, be still pronouced as [taqso]? Or is that how you are saying that it is similar to Russian, in that it does not happen after?
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:42 pm
yes, is a very scary word.
I meant that it was similar in that it affects consonants that don't immediately proceed it. I think you're right on that, though.
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:46 pm
Okay, gotcha.
So, about [E] and [O]... I can find nothing. Has you the informations?
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:27 pm
Is not much helpful on that. It basically said it doesn't matter.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:16 pm
Oh. Fair enough then.
Today, I met a person named Kaya, and I couldn't help thinking about dried geese.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:34 pm
I just discovered the Aymara word for "to conlang." It's aruchaña; Compendio cited the use of -cha as being causative (sort of), and then it proceeded to relate the word uta (house) to utachaña (to build a house), among other things. Since the word for language is aru, that's got to be what it is.
Now I need to figure out some other stuff. --scampers away-
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:43 pm
Dang. What can you not express in Aymara?
I know, the one thing you cannot express in Aymara is how much I ******** love Aymara. heart
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:57 pm
Quite. xd
That's considered one of the hugest strengths of the language; how easy it is to express anything. It's awesome.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:23 pm
Oh, by the way, a random ZZBer tells me that there is no /L/ in Aymara. So who am I to believe?
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:09 am
Uh, that's because you'd written L, which isn't in Aymara. [L] is velar, [L] is just palatal. xd
[L] might exist allophonically, though.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:40 am
Eccentric Iconoclast [L] is velar, [L] is just palatal. xd Um, wha? If one is velar and one is palatal, then why do they both look the same there? Do you mean /L/ and /l_j/ ? So then, wgat is wgo with the wgat? I swear, whenever anything that has to do with "palates" comes up, I get confused. Hence, why Russian confuzzled me.
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