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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:19 pm
HirunHikari Amen. And Zae was trying to add new twists with jailvote, and now that she's poofed, people are slapping her in the face after her appearance where everyone was all "OMG BEST IDEA EVER".
HirunHikari
 ... Let me tell you a story.
There is this thing, the US started in 2003. It was called Operation Iraqi Freedom. Public opinion was overwhelmingly behind the operation, in support of it at first. But as time went on, people found out it wasn't as good as they thought at first. They decided they didn't like it, even to the point of voting in an election based solely upon which party a person was in, avoiding the President's party.
Point of this? Things have often been considered great when they started, but as time and experience has gone on, been found lose their luster after awhile and be seen for what they are.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:25 pm
DeGei `Nymphie DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Being a VC doesnt mean your incharge, it means you are suppost to keep the game running, not RULING. How is IHD the exception? IHD has AGREED with EVERY SINGLE THING WE HAVE DONE. WE CONSULT HER BEFORE EVERYTHING. Have YOU seen the crew forum? Have YOU read our aim chats? Have YOU read all the pms? NO. So dont talk about what you dont know, kthnx. IHD has as much to do with everything we do as the rest of us.
ALSO. Who says what being V.C means? There are no set rules? Basically we are in charge of the ENTIRE guild. NOT just the game. And we are trying to make it a better place. Or at least keep it as it is and make sure it doesnt get worse.
THIRDLY WHAT have we done that is so wrong? HOW have we abused our power? *coughcoughSPAMSUBFORUMcoughcoughlockingthreadsbecausepeopleareargueingwithyoucoughcough* Why is any of that stuff secret secret anyway? If its important, it shouldnt be left up to a few people, it should be a group decision. Just because IHD agrees doesnt mean she approves, she has a lot to do on Gaia, comboed with school, sometimes it easier to say, "fine, ok" than discuss. Point: I actually agree with this. Well, most of it anyways. Any decision made in the guild should not be left up to 4 people. It should be for the whole collective. Blah Blah Add On: The main thing about you being a VC, is the ability to do things. You're the representitives. We present our ideas, you make them happen. Not, you do things on a whim and have us b***h and whine till you clean it up.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:31 pm
KingShoy DeGei `Nymphie DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Being a VC doesnt mean your incharge, it means you are suppost to keep the game running, not RULING. How is IHD the exception? IHD has AGREED with EVERY SINGLE THING WE HAVE DONE. WE CONSULT HER BEFORE EVERYTHING. Have YOU seen the crew forum? Have YOU read our aim chats? Have YOU read all the pms? NO. So dont talk about what you dont know, kthnx. IHD has as much to do with everything we do as the rest of us.
ALSO. Who says what being V.C means? There are no set rules? Basically we are in charge of the ENTIRE guild. NOT just the game. And we are trying to make it a better place. Or at least keep it as it is and make sure it doesnt get worse.
THIRDLY WHAT have we done that is so wrong? HOW have we abused our power? *coughcoughSPAMSUBFORUMcoughcoughlockingthreadsbecausepeopleareargueingwithyoucoughcough* Why is any of that stuff secret secret anyway? If its important, it shouldnt be left up to a few people, it should be a group decision. Just because IHD agrees doesnt mean she approves, she has a lot to do on Gaia, comboed with school, sometimes it easier to say, "fine, ok" than discuss. Point: I actually agree with this. Well, most of it anyways. Any decision made in the guild should not be left up to 4 people. It should be for the whole collective. Blah Blah Add On: The main thing about you being a VC, is the ability to do things. You're the representitives. We present our ideas, you make them happen. Not, you do things on a whim and have us b***h and whine till you clean it up. We did try and represent you. ALOT OF PEOPLE wanted the spam subforum.
Its not like we made a permanent one. We made a TEST one. And listened to the opinions on how it affected the guild. Then we acted according to the guild's responses. And thats the ONLY thing we've done, besides starting the games. In which we listened to your ideas on when to start, and what not. And we've listened to the people saying that we should have anonymous applications and have made it that way. And we have tried to cut down on drama, as a MAJORITY of the guild has asked us to do.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:33 pm
Miss Tanpopo This thread is too much like real life, maybe it should be locked. >< Aaaaaaand that is where Gaia begins to fail. D: @ Hirun:  What obsession?
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:34 pm
DeGei 1. Zae did NOT create the sniper game, she only brought it to Gaia, and wishes it to stay active and realitively problem free. Zae modified the "Are You a Werewolf?" game by combining it with Mafia. When Zae made the first game, I was talking to her about creation and shiz and at the moment I'm unsure if she actually knew of Mafia at the time, but the Sniper game definately was a modified version of "Are You a Werewolf?" which is a roleplaying game where there are 'villagers'(gaians) a 'seer'(kind of like news reporter) and the werewolf(sniper). Yet, I don't really see what this has to do with your other points. You 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Being a VC doesnt mean your incharge, it means you are suppost to keep the game running, not RULING. I skype with Meru sometimes, and recently she was talking about what she does and laughing about it. At the time I thought it was horrible, so I do have to agree that some abusing is definately happening. But, in Meru's defense, it's mostly done in a joking manner and not a cruel one. So I don't see how it [currently] worsens the game. But also, I have to disagree with you on what VCs do. I'm unaware if you have your own GGN right now, DeGei, and I don't care to check, but VCs are in power. They are in charge of running the guild. VCs have all the powers a real Captain does except for make new VCs. Because of this, added to what the Sniper Game is, I believe these VCs have more responsibilites thrust upon them than regular VCs. They are in charge of making the game run smoothly, but also in charge of the guild. The true captain of the guild is Zae, and Zae is not here. When captains take leave of absenses, who assumes command? Vice captains. This is where Meru, Nymphie, IHD come in. You 4. If you signup for a game plan to play the game, 1/4th of the players last game were inactive, and most of the other 3/4th barely thought for themselves. What has become of the game were each round a thread appears to state who is to be voted off? I thought this was based on each person voting for themselves not one person picking a random person to vote and one person headhunting and the votes being split. Thats not a game, thats reading a book, you can see where its going and the input is minimal. This would be the GM's fault and not the VCs. By becoming a GM you accept these resbonsibilites. And for many people, who most likely have little to know expierence in a leadership role, this is going to be a hardship and expected failures will happen. Unfortunately, GM applications don't take this into account. That's a problem that really should be looked into. You Finally, GMs and Writers are two different things. GM means GAME MASTER. If you are the master of the game, it is yours to run. You arent logging on daily to count some votes and write a short story. Make the game interesting without breaking the rules. Change the rules up a bit. Im not saying allow mules or anything, but figure out something, MASTER THE GAME. Thank you, that is all. This is true, and again it is probably because everyone(or the people I've seen - Archives are locked up so I can't validate stare ) has little to know expierence in a leadership role. Often, too many people assume that when given slack in a rope someone will pull it to it's full extent, but this is not the case. What is the case is people assume what has worked before and follow this preset example. The matter of the fact is that since this guild has no listed rules(the guild, not the game) it is a very confusing thing to page through. People are unaware of how much power they do or do not have, and are unwilling to test the waters for fear of being unable to GM or play the game again, or worse, get banned from the guild. The main problem here is what I've stated already in the Discussion forum: This guild has no rules. If we define a set of rules for the guild at least when stepping on toes we will know how to step. When becoming a GM, most people(I am assuming) only want to become GM for the glory of doing it, and because they think they are a good writer. They do not think about the weights that are going to be thrust on their shoulders when having to deal with a game. Ideally, the GM would read every single post in every single thread and incorporate this into their current game, but this is only an ideal, and would only happen if the GM had too much time on his hands. Thus we get left with leftovers, and that is why the last game turned out so bad(no offense). I really think that if the guild had a preset of rules built in for both crew and members, all the other problems would be easily solved. But because we don't have this you end up with a dysfunctional guild. This was poor planning on Zaedye's behalf, yet should've been seen by the four VCs we currently have.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:35 pm
Egotistical Moose inasanemonkey1230 Merumiharu .+:{ }:+.
How do I fail? What? People are accusing you of failing? eek exclaim QUICK, MERU! "ABUSE YOUR POWERS AND LOCK THE THREAD JUST LIKE WE ALWAYS DO"! NOT FAST ENOUGH! NOT FAST ENOUGH! I CAN STILL POST! OH MY GOD, NOT ENOUGH ABUSE! ANTI- ABUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE! gonk eek eek eek exclaim SHOULD WE "BAN YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERSONAL DISLIKE FOR YOU"?
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:36 pm
`Nymphie KingShoy DeGei `Nymphie DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Being a VC doesnt mean your incharge, it means you are suppost to keep the game running, not RULING. How is IHD the exception? IHD has AGREED with EVERY SINGLE THING WE HAVE DONE. WE CONSULT HER BEFORE EVERYTHING. Have YOU seen the crew forum? Have YOU read our aim chats? Have YOU read all the pms? NO. So dont talk about what you dont know, kthnx. IHD has as much to do with everything we do as the rest of us.
ALSO. Who says what being V.C means? There are no set rules? Basically we are in charge of the ENTIRE guild. NOT just the game. And we are trying to make it a better place. Or at least keep it as it is and make sure it doesnt get worse.
THIRDLY WHAT have we done that is so wrong? HOW have we abused our power? *coughcoughSPAMSUBFORUMcoughcoughlockingthreadsbecausepeopleareargueingwithyoucoughcough* Why is any of that stuff secret secret anyway? If its important, it shouldnt be left up to a few people, it should be a group decision. Just because IHD agrees doesnt mean she approves, she has a lot to do on Gaia, comboed with school, sometimes it easier to say, "fine, ok" than discuss. Point: I actually agree with this. Well, most of it anyways. Any decision made in the guild should not be left up to 4 people. It should be for the whole collective. Blah Blah Add On: The main thing about you being a VC, is the ability to do things. You're the representitives. We present our ideas, you make them happen. Not, you do things on a whim and have us b***h and whine till you clean it up. We did try and represent you. ALOT OF PEOPLE wanted the spam subforum.
Its not like we made a permanent one. We made a TEST one. And listened to the opinions on how it affected the guild. Then we acted according to the guild's responses. And thats the ONLY thing we've done, besides starting the games. In which we listened to your ideas on when to start, and what not. And we've listened to the people saying that we should have anonymous applications and have made it that way. And we have tried to cut down on drama, as a MAJORITY of the guild has asked us to do. Did you ever come out and ask us specifically "Do you want a spam subforum?" before you created it? Yes, but now we have a Subforum sitting there taking up useless space. Drama cut down, yes, but it's ocassionally ended erratically or because of dumbass reasons, rather than resolved. Meru has done this, NOT SAYING SHE WILL ALWAYS DO THAT. (Before I get beaten for a comment)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:37 pm
DeGei Bellecat This post is going to be full of numerous .hack references. You have been warned. DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Not really. They just need to be able to beta ideas. ... we should get a small clan of beta-ers and let them into a subforum to beta? Im trying that, and no one will help. I asked for 40 people to test minimum. 50 would be optimal. I got 20. ... Wrong kind of Beta, unless I misunderstand Belle. I believe she means a forum to beta Guild ideas. Like spam subforums and such.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:38 pm
Bellecat Miss Tanpopo This thread is too much like real life, maybe it should be locked. >< Aaaaaaand that is where Gaia begins to fail. D: @ Hirun:  What obsession? D; I know, the SG shouldn't be so serious.
"DON'T GET MAD GET GLAD!!! =DDD"
Or something like that. D;
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:39 pm
korikun the cat HOLY CRAP, KORI HAS AN OPINION, HE HAS BEEN HERE AS LONG AS MERU AND NYMPHIE AND ALL THE OTHER VC'S. BETTER LISTEN!Now that that's out of the way. I've been here since Game 1. The first. I've seen the game evolve first hand. I was there. The fact of the matter is, even with new people, they still have relitively little to know idea on how the game is played. When you add in a good group of people who play the game and VC, it can be a little intimidating. Of course your going to listen to them, and do what they say, they have more expeirience. Is this ruining the game? I can't say for sure. Besides, a lot of the drama started here is started and conitued by Regular members. Maybe all the oldbies just need to sit the next one out, and let the newbies play it there way. Then the VC's can VC from a neutral third person view, the GM can GM, and all will hopefully be good in the world. Just my three cents. ... The main problem IS that the VCs ARE players. They should, actually, they NEED to be impartial outside observers, but that's not going to happen.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:40 pm
Bellecat Miss Tanpopo This thread is too much like real life, maybe it should be locked. >< Aaaaaaand that is where Gaia begins to fail. D: @ Hirun:  What obsession? If I didn't know what that was supposed to be, I'd think someone was high... and part-- Meh. I think the Mantie Top was a little far. Looks liek a boobed Haseo... >3<
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:41 pm
`Nymphie KingShoy DeGei `Nymphie DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Being a VC doesnt mean your incharge, it means you are suppost to keep the game running, not RULING. How is IHD the exception? IHD has AGREED with EVERY SINGLE THING WE HAVE DONE. WE CONSULT HER BEFORE EVERYTHING. Have YOU seen the crew forum? Have YOU read our aim chats? Have YOU read all the pms? NO. So dont talk about what you dont know, kthnx. IHD has as much to do with everything we do as the rest of us.
ALSO. Who says what being V.C means? There are no set rules? Basically we are in charge of the ENTIRE guild. NOT just the game. And we are trying to make it a better place. Or at least keep it as it is and make sure it doesnt get worse.
THIRDLY WHAT have we done that is so wrong? HOW have we abused our power? *coughcoughSPAMSUBFORUMcoughcoughlockingthreadsbecausepeopleareargueingwithyoucoughcough* Why is any of that stuff secret secret anyway? If its important, it shouldnt be left up to a few people, it should be a group decision. Just because IHD agrees doesnt mean she approves, she has a lot to do on Gaia, comboed with school, sometimes it easier to say, "fine, ok" than discuss. Point: I actually agree with this. Well, most of it anyways. Any decision made in the guild should not be left up to 4 people. It should be for the whole collective. Blah Blah Add On: The main thing about you being a VC, is the ability to do things. You're the representitives. We present our ideas, you make them happen. Not, you do things on a whim and have us b***h and whine till you clean it up. We did try and represent you. ALOT OF PEOPLE wanted the spam subforum.
Its not like we made a permanent one. We made a TEST one. And listened to the opinions on how it affected the guild. Then we acted according to the guild's responses. And thats the ONLY thing we've done, besides starting the games. In which we listened to your ideas on when to start, and what not. And we've listened to the people saying that we should have anonymous applications and have made it that way. And we have tried to cut down on drama, as a MAJORITY of the guild has asked us to do. suppressing isn't cutting down, it's still there, and most is just getting worse as it sits. What we need, (Although no one would accept the idea) is a thread to post all your pissed-offness in where no one is allowed to quote anyones posts, reply or try to defend against anyones post, or make reference to anyones posts in or out of the thread. Then it can just all be let the ******** out and we can move on, then later, someone can come along and delete the posts and it will be forgotten (But again, that will never happen.)
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:41 pm
Dukes DeGei Bellecat This post is going to be full of numerous .hack references. You have been warned. DeGei 3. VCs have on the whole been abusing their power, acting without full thinking and stepping outside their bonds. If they were purple mods on Gaia, they would be demodded. IHD is the acception to this, and Ana hasnt been around. >_> Not really. They just need to be able to beta ideas. ... we should get a small clan of beta-ers and let them into a subforum to beta? Im trying that, and no one will help. I asked for 40 people to test minimum. 50 would be optimal. I got 20. ... Wrong kind of Beta, unless I misunderstand Belle. I believe she means a forum to beta Guild ideas. Like spam subforums and such. No, you got it right.... @Hirun... again: I think I got it right. It's like at that turning point where Aura's about to be "born" and Tsukasa is there and Morgana is there and all that shiz... ... and we're still stuck there. o-o"
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:43 pm
How about opening up the old spam subforum temporarily as a rant subforum for people to mention their complaints and work them out there.
And do it there without freaking personal insults.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:44 pm
KingShoy Bellecat Miss Tanpopo This thread is too much like real life, maybe it should be locked. >< Aaaaaaand that is where Gaia begins to fail. D: @ Hirun:  What obsession? If I didn't know what that was supposed to be, I'd think someone was high... and part-- Meh. I think the Mantie Top was a little far. Looks liek a boobed Haseo... >3< Don't blame me, blame Tektek. .. and through that, blame Gaia's lack of sleeveless turtleneck-type shirts. D: (And you can also blame me having to write Solid Snake on my brother's back after he somehow couldn't spell it. So I made it harder. : D)
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