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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:34 pm
boo-hoo---I live 45 miles from Chicago, IL, and there is no lolitas in my town.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:20 pm
Maybe your lolita outfit just wasn't that good.*shrugs*
Any way, I'm asian (chinese, not japanese) and I personally don't think if your not japanese there should be something barring you from dressing that way- after all lolita is based on victorian and french fashion. So saying non-japanese people arn't considered 'lolita' is just silly.
(Did she specifically say that because you weren't japanese you could never be lolita or did you just assume that this is what she meant?)
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:36 pm
Sakki thats mean!
If yu took the time to make yur outift yurself, after hours of painstaking sewing and adding little details and then have someone go and say that it wasn't that good? Wouldn't that break yur heart to hear all yur hard work being called not that good..?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:29 am
NeverMoreBlue Sakki thats mean! If yu took the time to make yur outift yurself, after hours of painstaking sewing and adding little details and then have someone go and say that it wasn't that good? Wouldn't that break yur heart to hear all yur hard work being called not that good..? I agree. Have you ever tried to make your own dress? It's complicated, you put your heart into it, you make sure everything is as you want it... and then you go out and someone tells you it's not good enough? It hurts. Hell, I've gone out in NAME BRAND lolita and people tell me I'm not loli enough.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:35 pm
+Loli Lace+ NeverMoreBlue That would be so cool.. though id have nothing to wear >.< I suppose since theres not much out there it could be considered far..thought i think its nearly and hour or two away? hope yu ge a new cord soon! I double the opinon on getting a new cord soon. 3nodding Thanks. Sakki, I believe the girl did actually state that because Lacey wasn't asian, she couldn't be a real lolita, and it had little to do with how she was dressed. If she felt that Lacey's outfit wasn't good, she should have said so, instead of beating around the bush and pulling up a bullshit excuse about race. I have seen people who's outfits weren't great, but their personalities more than made up for their mistakes. Friends find ways to move their friends in the right direction without being malicious. Blackberry, opinion varies so hugely that it's so hard to satisfy everyone. I, personally, dislike the way headdresses look on me, and a lot of people, but that doesn't make them less ubiquitous.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:25 pm
Sakki Maybe your lolita outfit just wasn't that good.*shrugs* Any way, I'm asian (chinese, not japanese) and I personally don't think if your not japanese there should be something barring you from dressing that way- after all lolita is based on victorian and french fashion. So saying non-japanese people arn't considered 'lolita' is just silly. (Did she specifically say that because you weren't japanese you could never be lolita or did you just assume that this is what she meant?) *cough* wow...kinda harsh. Actually, i would hope my outfits were good enough, especially since my sisters and friends wear them to conventions. My friend stated that i couldn't be lolita because i am specifically not asian.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:33 pm
Thank you Blackberry, Pearl and NMB, you guys are really the best people ever.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:39 pm
I wasn't saying your outfit was s**t, I was just saying I can't really form an oppinion unless I've seen it xP
(Yes I do sew my own dresses and s**t- and yes it is a b***h and a half to do it and while I take pride in my own work, I recognize that my ability is far from perfect)
And if your 'friend' said that- thats very stupid of her. Is she saying Japanese people can't wear punk because its a fashion from Englang? If not tell her she's a hypocrite xP
I'm not trying to be bitchy and stir s**t up but even if a person as an absolutely wonderfull personality, their outfits can still be terrible xP If I see an itai-loli and they're honestly trying to learn about the fashion I try and give them some suggestions about their outfit.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:20 pm
then why did yu say it "maybe just wasnt that good" ? if im not mistaken thats rather close to calling it s**t (pardon the language). Clothes arent everything yu know, even if its an ita-loli or any loli yu should try to be positive with them if their outfit isnt all that wonderfull.. point out what they could make better then tell them what yu like about the outfit as is.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:09 am
NeverMoreBlue then why did yu say it "maybe just wasnt that good" ? if im not mistaken thats rather close to calling it s**t (pardon the language). Clothes arent everything yu know, even if its an ita-loli or any loli yu should try to be positive with them if their outfit isnt all that wonderfull.. point out what they could make better then tell them what yu like about the outfit as is. I was just considering it as a possibility. If people critisize an outfit, I try harder when I think 'well I could have accesorized better' or something and try harder to dress in a way that I like. I try and improve my fashionsense. And your right, clothes arn't everything. You have to know how to put them together well too. The fact is, when it comes to an outfit, a good personality isn't really a factor.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:07 am
In regards to just an outfit, no, your personality isn't a factor, but even a well co-ordinated outfit can look bad on someone who doesn't 'carry' it right.
The reason why we're more worried about personality here than about the actual clothing being worn is because the girl who Lacey was talking to was supposed to be her friend, but not being very friend-like at all. And, from what I've seen of Lacey's tastes, I'm pretty sure she's able to put together a great outfit.
This thread really isn't about outfits, it's about whether race (not lace) matters when it comes to Lolita. Lacey's friend thinks that it does, and that it's what makes or breaks a lolita. I disagree. I don't know if she ever said anything about Lacey's actual outfits.
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:48 am
+Loli Lace+ Thank you Blackberry, Pearl and NMB, you guys are really the best people ever. heart Aww... I luv you. You're so awesome, of course we're always here for you! Well... not literally always... but. You know what I mean!
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:04 pm
PearlZenith In regards to just an outfit, no, your personality isn't a factor, but even a well co-ordinated outfit can look bad on someone who doesn't 'carry' it right. The reason why we're more worried about personality here than about the actual clothing being worn is because the girl who Lacey was talking to was supposed to be her friend, but not being very friend-like at all. And, from what I've seen of Lacey's tastes, I'm pretty sure she's able to put together a great outfit. This thread really isn't about outfits, it's about whether race (not lace) matters when it comes to Lolita. Lacey's friend thinks that it does, and that it's what makes or breaks a lolita. I disagree. I don't know if she ever said anything about Lacey's actual outfits. I think that personality does make your clothing. I don't want my models to fake something they aren't, their personalities are the final touches to my clothes. My friend never said anything about my outfits, she actually wears a "v.k" design pants that i made her for her birthday quite often. It was about race, if lolitas HAVE to be japanese. And Pearl once again made an awesome argument and gave amazing support. heart
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:05 pm
Blackberry Sage +Loli Lace+ Thank you Blackberry, Pearl and NMB, you guys are really the best people ever. heart Aww... I luv you. You're so awesome, of course we're always here for you! Well... not literally always... but. You know what I mean! yep i know what you mean, and i thank you. heart I am so happy this is the only Guild i usually spend my time in. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:54 pm
+Loli Lace+ PearlZenith In regards to just an outfit, no, your personality isn't a factor, but even a well co-ordinated outfit can look bad on someone who doesn't 'carry' it right. The reason why we're more worried about personality here than about the actual clothing being worn is because the girl who Lacey was talking to was supposed to be her friend, but not being very friend-like at all. And, from what I've seen of Lacey's tastes, I'm pretty sure she's able to put together a great outfit. This thread really isn't about outfits, it's about whether race (not lace) matters when it comes to Lolita. Lacey's friend thinks that it does, and that it's what makes or breaks a lolita. I disagree. I don't know if she ever said anything about Lacey's actual outfits. I think that personality does make your clothing. I don't want my models to fake something they aren't, their personalities are the final touches to my clothes. My friend never said anything about my outfits, she actually wears a "v.k" design pants that i made her for her birthday quite often. It was about race, if lolitas HAVE to be japanese. And Pearl once again made an awesome argument and gave amazing support. heart I'm still going to have to dissagree on the good personality = good outfit thing. After all, even a person with a bad personality can have good fashion sense and enough money to buy nice clothes xP But please understand that I agree wholeheartedly that your race doesn't make or break you as a lolita and if one of your friends is saying this. . . she isn't a true friend, is she?
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