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i'm probably 3 pages late for this one, but isn't "dead baby found in abortion clinic" sort of an understatement?

The autopsy was done last saterday. Any one know if they released the results yet?

there's a shock. I bet this got swept under the rug real quick.

Sorry about the length, I was trying to respond in a single post instead of multiple.



*Shakes head* nonono!!! I must have said that wrong. I was pointing out that Clinics could use more regulations, and while the fight is towards getting rid of them, often this (regulation) is forgotten.

I also agree, that women deserve to know all risks involved in having an abortion, it is the right and it is illegal for the doctor to not inform them.



This is true; she was far too late to have the abortion if she had it while the child was 2-3 pounds. My argument was more of a “what if”, she had the abortion earlier, and later she gave birth prematurely to an infant of 2-3 pounds?



From top to bottom!

1) as the following post reads:



I am apparently the only one, or one of the few, unheard who doesn’t agree with killing the child once born. And with the response above, I further agree with 22 weeks is too late and abortion shouldn’t be allowed. Anything after 5 months is really too late.

I hold this to the others who have informed me that there are choicers who believe in the death of a child once born.

2) I try not to use the terms “Anti woman” “Anti choice” for I consider them just as rude as me being called “Anti life”. Forgive me if I have ever referred to ANYONE as a negative stance like this. I consider myself part “Pro life” because I agree that you all have the right to keep your children. I agree with the choice. I may not agree with the effects all the time but I believe everyone deserves the right of choice. I understand this might seem too casual for most of you, but choice is a huge thing, choice is part of freedom. I’m not trying to dehumanize anything; I’m just sticking up for the right of choice. Furthermore, I am here to LEARN I appreciate it when anyone you explain the consequences of choosing abortion, for I believe women and MEN should be informed of the choices in full, even if reality isn’t pleasant.

3) You misunderstand me. I was referring to the fact that if ANY doctor lies knowingly to a patient, be it male or female, about the condition of their body, or what they (the doctor) have done to their body; it is considered a medical crime. This is once again part of my “What if” argument.



Top to bottom again:

1] I support having the option available. There are instances where I would like to see women being able to have an abortion without it ruining their lives and having them sent to jail. One of which is close to my heart: In the instance of Rape, and likely hood of death of the mother, and potentially the infant, whether it is in birth, or the child and the mother attempting to reject each other, causing harm to both the mother can child until the mother has a miscarriage or dies. (This happens with a certain rare blood type and is by no means a laughing matter, I understand that there are other options, riskier options, but if the mother in this instance wants an abortion or its becoming clear that her life is in danger, she should be able to legally abort. ) Also in the instances where the child couldn’t be properly supported from birth on (The mother couldn’t even afford to go to a hospital to bare, which believe it or not can happen, if there are no hospitals available who are willing to do the operation then consider the bill)

2] Agreed. Although she did choose to abort it clearly didn’t happen, that was all I was saying.

3] See my above not on medical crime.



Thanks for the clarity, I appreciate it and I’m glad to hear this view.



Once again, I had no intention in that statement to attack anyone; I appreciate your views and by no means wish to limit them. I believe in choice. Your choice is to be Pro life; I respect this and support you thus.

Just remember that my option of choice means I must also support the choice of abortion too, even if I might not agree with some uses I still respect and support the right of choice.



Thank you for clarifying, and I appreciate that you recognized that this is what I was requesting. I do not support mothers who after the birth of their child that they abandon said child. This is wrong. I believe that if this was their long term goal they should have destroyed the few cells while they were cells, before they started to form that of a child.

The following is not an attack but merely an observation I have made.

The mother who I have had to personally deal with who have abandoned their children once born, did so because they felt that they would be scorned if they received the abortion. The act of having the child the whole 9 months, messed with their brains, and their sanity, and they resorted to leaving the child in say a shoe box in the closet. The child was born, they then had the choice.

This is an act caused by peer pressure and I by no means fully blame the pro life community.



No I don’t, I think it’s wrong though, any medical area should be regulated by the surgeon general and the health department.

Yeah, my reaction was like, this is news? It's like "DEAD COW FOUND IN SLAUGHTERHOUSE" or "LIQUOR STORE FOUND TO ENGAGE IN SALE OF ALCOHOL!" or "EXCLUSIVE! BENEDICT XVI REVEALS RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION IN SHOCKING REVELATION!"

Why no, my sarcasm knows no bounds. biggrin

"I agree however that at all times, she still had the right to request the abortion, whether she was informed of the risks or not. "
I wasn't too happy about this quote though... Information is exactly what every person needs. How can you make the choice that you really want if you have no idea what might come out of your choices?

Not all choices are good. Even you shoudl know this. I can go thorugh out history an a huge list of bad choices people made. Our parents let us make bad choices to teach us, yes, but i don't ever remember them lettign their children make the choice to kill another human life.