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Hello everyone. I am not jewish. I have eaten a pork chop or two in my life, mixed some gumbo, and through calender studies, found that "shabbot" or whatever its called, is probably on a Tuesday, if you were to keep track using the Ethiopian references to the Book of Luminaries (Enoch).

Sometime around winter of 1993 I was adopted into an Abrahamic "family", but that's beside the point.

Everything in the Torah is supposed to have four meanings. What happens if you criss cross each part's meaning? Wouldn't that produce some big mess?

Genetics tells us "well duh, of course a homosexual relationship on either side is at the very least, pointless and little more than group masterbation"
as there is no true family construction taking place, nor is it even hypothetically possible until the Time we name our Sheep after country singers with plastic boobs.

Many people blame the orthodox or english translations etc. like the catholics for staunch homophobia in interpretations of the Tanahk/torah...

but.. that would be a cop out. The romans were avid homosexuals, and had giant statues of phallauses all over the place. the "p***s" medallion was very popular. Sex and the parts involved were worshipped to a fault. "Debauchery" coming from what was that god's name? Bauchus? Greek wasn't he?

Some say Plato was a *****. Was he? How should we know? we weren't there. Pederasty is another word that appears in the various bibles.The Egyptian Obelisk we call the washington monument was a phallic symbol of Osirus. Was George Washington a "good christian" or a member of the same cult that faught against Moses in a battle of uber special effects?

The British were the result of Roman invasions, and England was the left over results of that. The Tuatha De Dannon were a remnant of descendants going all the way back to Egyptian Inner priesthoods up through the Iberian penninsula, and could trace parto f their lineage to Moses and Noah, yet by the time the romans had taken completely over, Catamites and Castrati were popular singing sex toys of Bishops and Cardinals.

so, the question really, is where did homophobia come from? It did not seem to exist in the Sumeria-Babylonian Texts of Ur and Gilgamesh seemed quite fond of Enkidu, as millenia later Alexander was fond of Hephaetian.

Well, oddly enough, you have soemone named Hermes Thrice great directly condemning any person who has no children, and almost specifically Eunuchs, virtually damning their after existence.

Speaking of Existence afterwards, is there an afterlife in judaism? No one has ever given me a concrete answer, and relying on Kabbalah texts for the answer seems imprudent.

If G-d created man through a breath, and created Eve from Adam, then within the first Kadamon (or whatever it was DaVinci called his doodle appearing on the cover of Grey's Anatomy) was both sexes.

Oddly, this corresponds with Plato's Timaeus, but in a more peculiar fashion (speaking of two spherical beings as one being split those which were split being male and female). By genetics, everyone is both sexes, sort of. You carry 46 genes instead of 23, and you donate 23 to the production of another life form. The female chromesomes are a bit more complicated for some reason where, like scalar waves, the second strip of DNA (XX in the 23rd gene sector) forms a specific "double duty" creating patterns only recently discovered.

..what was I talking about again?...
oh, right.. homosexuality. 3nodding
In my own research, I've discovered that there are three primary partitions of an individual, which are commonly outlined in subjects such as Aikido. (mind, spirit, body). Well, there's also some post-tanakh text classified as specious by jews, but it has some interesting connotations.

God is the head of man, man is the head of woman.

this here then is perhaps the most mis understood and sexist statement in any bible. Yet in other texts, some have stated that G-d gave man a priesthood (or an officiator like Rabbi) because the woman already held more authority in the household through kinship and connection with Children. In our modern days, this makes little sense, but if you turn back the calender, it becomes massively apparent.

women typically outlived their husbands. The first born typically took control of the business or empire of the family (such as Prophet or King). The Instructor of the children was the mother from the time of Birth to adolescence, and from the time of death of the father, into their own death. Outside of labors (teaching the family trade) and specific duties (such as ceremonies), the men had little to do with their children. The women typically had many children, and the children typically stayed on in the family household from 20-40 years of age.
The mother thus controlled a small army of people, and recieved a Dowry(sp?) worth a hefty sum of her own father's estate, which was still within her control to some limited degree.

We then move on to the perpsective of the Yetzirah.

here are some quotes from a certain rabbi: they may be a bit odd for people, so you may choose to cover your eyes at this point wink

"as a result of the focus of spiritual force between his two hands, his tongue is "circumcised"(Milah) and his blessing has a proper effect"

God's spirit speaks in me, and his word(milah) is on my tongue"

"since the mark of the covenant is on the sexual organ, it gives the individual access to the highest spiritual realms, from which he can draw down the most lofty souls."

"in particular as the sefer yetzirah state (1:3) a covenant denotes circumcision"

it then goes on to draw the parrallels between the hands and the mouth, and the feet and the sexual organs. There are comparisons between Chokmah and Binah, representing polarities of wisdom and understanding, male and female, and the appropriate connection resulting in "daath" or knowledge. Oddly the Tree in the Garden resembles this story as accounted for in Genesis.

Essentially, the best guess i get out of it, is a method of combining cosmic forces for creation, and if the forces are not properly combined, all sorts of bad things can happen.

as stated before, my own studies produced some interesting parrallels. Women are superior to men in a spiritual sense, and inferior in a philosophical sense. Because of this, men are meant to turn to the spiritual and officiate there, since it is their Weakness.
Women are meant to turn to the philosophical since it is their weakness. We often align ourselves to our strengths, crating what we believe is synergy, but instead rob ourselves of the greater blessings of self expression.

women are the fairer sex. This isn't an illusion or cultural phenomenon. Its a mathematical fact. The aspect of geometry and form, is the same as the aspect of music, and art. Poetry and expressed creativity, in color, and contrast, these are aspects of the spiritual in which a female excels at.

Conversely, in a physical sense, of manners gravitational, and temporal, such as space and time, men are generally superior. They are stronger, larger, built to handle greater gravitational distresses (like carrying things) and have a larger brain which while not as compact or interlaced left-right, is branched out in such a way as to have a distinct advantage in perceiving mathematical, analytical, and spatial values. Even the excess iron deposits in the Nose (like a bird) gives them spatial advantages in nagivation and calculation.

Somewhere in a bible dictionary it talks about unicorns. It states that Unicorns weren't intentional. In similar form, you have person born under duress, during prenatal development of the brain. Yuo aslo have Isaiah's word in chapter 56 or so about Eunuchs.

What am I getting at? The point of sexual orientation is to find YOUR match. Not someone else's match. What does the Torah say about someone who has Kilnefelter's Syndrome? Nothing.

People can easily lock in on the obvious that they can see, but our technology is currently not quite advanced enough to determine "who" or "what" a person's orientation is really intended for.

The math though is undeniable. We are meant ot be fruitful (productive) and multiply (expand the dominion of our creator through children and as teachers).

you canmake of it what you will.

My god. I have to say, you really have to rethink how you're looking at things. Breaking Shabbas by getting on Gaia isn't the end of the world. If it bothers you that much that it's affecting your depression, then start keeping stricter Shomer Shabbas. Otherwise, if you know it's hurting you and you keep on doing it, then that's just dumb. No offense or anything.

there is no shabbath on the internet.

How does this work?

The sun never sets on Gaia.

right now it could be monday, or tuesday, earlier it could have been sunday monday, and tuesday.

Philosophically, the concept of time is based upon a precept which G-d is beyond. Who knows, perhaps many jews converted to Christians because they didn't want to be thrown off a stone cliff (being stoned traditionally) for picking up sticks on Shabbot?

I've always been of the belief that why you do something is more important than the actual action itself.

If the action becomes the importance, then the motivator is lost in the deed. This becomes Addiction. Addiction to pleasure, addiction to pain, addiction to fears, and ignorance.

Its like when a kid gets on an amusement ride. Are they getting on the amusement ride for the experience? For the first time, the answer is probably yes. But what is the second time for?
"Lets do that again"

If you have people who repeat a task because of the task itself, and not because of priori motis (or other fake latin expressions meaning prior motivatation) it means that your action is CAUSED by the effect, thus you are ruled.

That would be like saying that the flesh rules man, man rules the spirit, the spirit rules the Sepirot, and the Sepirot rules G-d. Thus God obeys the Flesh of men.

Is this logical? No. A person should not turn over their agency, their freedom, their free will, their CHOICE to an action.

What does this have to do with the Sabbath(n^10th sp variation) ? Until a Jew knows why they are resting on the Shabbot, they probably shouldn't. It will be as Hollow Alms. It is as fasting. If a person is not praying and with purpose in fasting, they are merely starving.

The first great rule is that there are always exceptions to the rule. We obey the rules when we do not know the meanings. this is why Musa/Moses was given the great Law. Moses didn't need these laws. He understood more important fundamentals that others could not.

If you name a law, God has probably broken it, but then God desires you to follow him, and his example.

Thou shalt not... followed by angels slaughtering hundreds of thousands. "I am a jealous God"...

Christians have just as many contradictions. Look what happens when you cross the writings of Paul iwth the old testament. "for a man to have long hair is a shame"... what ever happened to Samson, who lost his strength because he cut his hair, then only regained his strength when the hair grew back?

You see, if you keep at these issues, they DO get to the root of every commandment, including homosexuality.

Any relationship should be a matter of deeply profound spiritual exploration. The power of creation is the power of G-d. The Power over life is the power of G-d. The power to take life is the province of G-d. Whether you are law abiding, fornicating, acting as an adulterer, a prostitute, a whoremonger, marrying your sister, or lying down with the same sex and "knowing" them, you should approach the matter with the same reverence as you would in taking a human life.

long ago the translation for having sex with someone was to "Know" them.
In Arabic occultism, the Sufi translate Gnosis (the root of" Know") as "whence to know, to love God"

Logos was the word used for "Word" but it also means "divine reason" or the mind & consciousness of God. Logos is the root of "-ledge".

Gnosis Logos "whence to know, to love the Mind of God"
knowledge: To love God.

to seek knowledge

to seek to love God.

Seek Knowledge.

Seek to love God...

As youself this question: and this is a horrifying concept for someone. If your partner under the shroud with whom you are intimate, were G-d, would you do these same things? If you cannot love your partner as you would love God, then why are you in the relationship in the first place?

How about I don't accept what you say, or accept it as wrong or misguided? :3333

@Michael: I didn't have time to read all you wrote (I'm on a school computer, yadda yadda), but it's not the fact that it is or is not Shabbat in internet-time (or even the question of it existing)- if it is Shabbat where you are using a computer, and you use the computer- thus 'working' as the rabbis have seen fit to describe it- you're breaking the Sabbath.

See: all above posts by me, Kiashana, Lavyne.

Nobody questioned you're sanity. As I recall, it was you who questioned mine. What's being called into question is your reasoning.