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 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:06 am
I can really see your point, it sounds cunning, and it's very similar to Zech's motives. I can also see that they were...in a round about way...trying to look out for the better of humanity. But it sort of reminds me of Hitler. He claimed to be "bettering society" how he saw fit despite the fact that it cost many many lives. I know its not exactly the same (I doubt Hitler had intentions of saving anyone or ending a war) and that makes characters like Dorothy and Zechs more noble in a sense, but it still seems pretty evil to play with people's lives for your own goals. But...then again...people would keep dying if the war continued...AH who knows!!!
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:09 am
ChrisJS I can really see your point, it sounds cunning, and it's very similar to Zech's motives. I can also see that they were...in a round about way...trying to look out for the better of humanity. But it sort of reminds me of Hitler. He claimed to be "bettering society" how he saw fit despite the fact that it cost many many lives. I know its not exactly the same (I doubt Hitler had intentions of saving anyone or ending a war) and that makes characters like Dorothy and Zechs more noble in a sense, but it still seems pretty evil to play with people's lives for your own goals. But...then again...people would keep dying if the war continued...AH who knows!!! I think that's how Zech's wanted to be portrayed. He completely puts himself into Treize’s plan. By convincing himself that he hates the Earth, Zech's completely emerses himself into character. He's aware that White Fang's attack towards Earth is meaningless. But, that itself is the very definition of war. He does this to force understanding in the hearts of everyone. He takes on the bloody role of the enemy. He and Treize were so smart. xd
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:29 am
Ok, It's my first time to the thread so forgive me if I'm being annoying.
I personally love Dorothy for the simple fact that she is quite the actress and has a serious complex with war. She is a very distraught character with a deep seated phobia of what war can do to that can effect her.
I will edit this when my brain isn't on the fritz. What can I say,
I'm in History class right now.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:40 pm
Enonia I think that's how Zech's wanted to be portrayed. He completely puts himself into Treize’s plan. By convincing himself that he hates the Earth, Zech's completely emerses himself into character. He's aware that White Fang's attack towards Earth is meaningless. But, that itself is the very definition of war. He does this to force understanding in the hearts of everyone. He takes on the bloody role of the enemy. He and Treize were so smart. xd I see your point, they madeit clear that people need to see the bitterness of war and that was the only way to change the hearts of the people. But I don't think it was smart in terms of cost and consequence. Strategy wise, though, they were efficient.
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:42 pm
Now that I reflect, I must say I like Dorothy for her independence. Though she backstabs and sways between loyalties...she definitely has no problem voicing her opinion even when it doesn't mesh with the norm. I like her bravery in this. Most people take too much to heart what other people think and she doesn't. (Well, until the end, that is).
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:19 am
I'd have to say that I'm not particularly fond of her but the question of rather she's good or bad, that hits a gray area. I think she's a little of both. It's kinda hard to pass judgement on her for switching sides to because so does everyone else in the series. She was definately an instigator though.
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:22 am
 Most definitely. Lol! I love how she always speaks her mind. xp And isn't she the only girl to use the ZERO system?
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:24 pm
I think so.....
hmm going to have to watch it again to be sure........
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:16 pm
I believe she is, and quite well it seems. She certainly seems to be able to hold her own in battle, despite the fact that you never see her actually pilot a mobile suit. Now that I think about it, this surprises me...for loving battle so much, I wonder why? Instead, she stayed within the political aspects of the battle (until Libra and the Zero System...I guess). Maybe she thought she would have more influence in said arena...
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:16 pm
That and the fact that she doesn't strike me as a girl intent on dying or dirty work... 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:44 pm
Yeah she definately is a survivor and not as willing to die as Relena (something's messed up with that girl).
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:54 pm
Haha, I can see your point there sweatdrop but it's difficult to say that somethings wrong with being willing to die for your beliefs considering that this was the point of the gundams to begin with. In fact, this ability is the very thing that serves as the base of Trieze's, Zech's, Wu Fei's...ok pretty much all the good guys...sense of purpose. It was the ultimate honor and...righteousness (for lack of a better word)...to be willing to die for such. Anyone not willing to (like Oz and those using the mobile dolls) were considered an abomination to the battle field and a disgrace to those who had the strength and integrity to do so...
That's the impression I got from their arguments anyways surprised
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:37 pm
You do have a point there. I don't know though she had her moments were she was putting her self in danger for her beliefs rather she realized it or not is a different matter though. I guess alot of the characters followed the philosophy that if you don't stand for your beliefs than you don't stand for anything.
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:13 pm
You're right. Integrity seems to be the main issue for most of the chartacters in GW. But I can also see why Relena seems a little extreme. Most people would find it reasonable to fight when its self defense...yet Relena would rather let herself be killed and let her entire country be destroyed rather than fight. Then again, she knew her ideals would be made shallow if she were to promote fighting...and she wanted to keep her people's faith in her. It is truly honorable...but still extreme sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:40 pm
But that's the thing...she'd rather not fight, but she doesn't want other people dying for her sake. That's the reason she surrendered to Romefeller; she realized that the invasion was hurting her people. If there was nobody else in the way, I don't think she would have given up.
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