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Hoshi no Miko

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:31 pm


Personally, for as much as Quatre might want to help Dorothy, I can't see her ever reciprocating his feelings. Same as logistically I can't see him and Trowa working out either.

However when it comes to supporting a couple. I'm sorry but I go with 3+4. I think there's a real cute potential with those two. Of course it doesn't help that I am a shounen ai/yaoi fan... but hey I like what I like.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:08 am


Zero-Slayer
I prefer Quatre and Dorothy, I'm no fan of Yaoi but I am a fan of cuddly relationships...there's a difference. Guys can be emotional and not gay ><. I'm not hiding it either. I severely dislike yaoi and anything sexual like that >>;.

I can be emotional... can't say how many of those emotions involve morbidity, but I do sometimes like a sappy love story.

Aona


Midii

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:03 pm


HoshiNoMiko
Personally, for as much as Quatre might want to help Dorothy, I can't see her ever reciprocating his feelings. Same as logistically I can't see him and Trowa working out either.

However when it comes to supporting a couple. I'm sorry but I go with 3+4. I think there's a real cute potential with those two. Of course it doesn't help that I am a shounen ai/yaoi fan... but hey I like what I like.


3nodding I think that's the basic premise for all pairings, a little bit of series hint and the emotions of the viewers! We like what we like cool
Just like Apple Jacks, we just do! And nobody should argue with that.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:04 pm


Colonel Lady Une
Ok, this relates to fanon and the only fanon pairing I like: 4+D. In your opinion, are they a good match or is 3+4 better?

Personally I'm an anti-yaoi. I hate yaoi but not yaoi fans, ok? Anyway, I love 4+D because of the comedic angst it has. I mean what could be funnier than falling for the girl who beat you at a fencing match and stabbed you? It's perfect love-hate!

Your opinions on the matter?


omg lol ^^ This is another great question. I'm kind of a yoai fan myself actually. That's a HUGE shocker, eh? Since I'm not only a Relena fan but a HeeroXRelena fan!

As for the 3 X 4, that's really the only yaoi that I don't ever think anything about. (even when I wasn't into yaoi. I recently got back into it after a few years. XD I liked it when I was like 12-13.)

I also love the way you think. It's the anst. (just like heero/relena) It's a sweet couple...

I don't know what I'd decide. Most likely Quatre and Dorothy if I were to do a fanfiction so that's most likely my pick but I don't mind the Quatre/Trowa pairing either...It's just kinda cute. ^_^

lol Later, I'm going to have to go read a sweet yaoi fic with them. Honestly, some of them even challenge the H/R ones!! (Or a D/Qof course!!)

Miss Megaboo


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:38 am


Usually, I write in a fan creation for Quatre to date/hang out with. I don't like either pairing in a romantic sense. I can see the idea of forgiveness on all angles... I can also see the idea of Trowa and Quatre being very close friends. I also see Duo and Quatre remaining close friends.

Quatre may end up as friends with Dorothy along the lines of seeing her at various functions in their social lives. Because of their family status, they're both in the same social circles along with Relena, Une, Mariemeia... that group. Somehow, I doubt the idea of 'nobility' will ever truly fade. In fact, Duo refers to Europe as "Romafeller country" in Battlefield of Pacifists, which indicates that the old ideas of social casting are still in play.

The five pilots are bonded through a significant and traumatic event that they have in common. However, that's usually not enough to maintain a romantic relationship indefinitely. Sometimes, it brings people together for a moment... several months... but they usually don't stay together permanently because they're often reminded of that event by each other. To use some other examples, in the book Christine by Stephen King, the main protagonist dates the girl that helped him 'defeat' the car... but there's an epilogue at the end where he says they couldn't stay together because the event kept haunting them. It's also cited in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Cho starts dating Harry, but keeps thinking of how Cedric was killed during the Tri-Wizard Tournament and that Harry was the one that had brought his body back from the cemetary... therefore, she can't stay with him for the sake of her own emotional health.

Quatre does definitely look at Dorothy as someone he wants to help. He tells her, "I was once like you." And, by the way he talks to her during the fencing match in Libra's Mobile Doll Zero Control Room, it's like he's trying to convince her that she doesn't have to be the way she is. He tells her she's a kind person, and she can do better in her life. However, she doesn't see it. Basically left alone in the world after the end of the Eve Wars (losing her father, grandfather, and cousin all very close together), Dorothy is still somewhat dark and out for herself. She uses her skills in gathering information to help with locating Vulkanis, and then uses her charisma and coy words to convince the people to stand up against the Barton Foundation. However, it's clearly a way for her to exercise her own power and keep her self-interests.

Dorothy would need a stronger person. Quatre, yes, is actually very strong, but he's also very open with his emotions. Dorothy would get bored. She enjoys secrecy and intrigue. She'd want a darker, more closed off person she can try to reach inside and bring out. I can see her going through several relationships merely for the thrill of the chase, then getting bored and dumping them several months... if even... later because she's bored. If anything, Dorothy might try to go after Heero, if only because he's off limits (sort of) and intriguing to her. Plus, she might want to do that to irk Relena. Despite her little 'plot' of bringing the two of them together in Battlefield of Pacifists, I can see her going back on that and going after him herself if his relationship with Relena doesn't 'progress' according to her 'guidelines'... or how she thinks it should.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:37 pm


Sorry to say, I am a TOTALLY non Yaoi (I can't spell it hehe sorry) fan here (unless the creators specifically make them that way but I am still not a fan of such.) So the 3+4 pairing really grates me. Oh well. But 4+D doesn't really float my boat either. I think Dorothy would grow to respect Quatre in the future. Honestly, I doubt anything formed between them in the series, they would have no time for that sort of thing with the war and all. (Yet Heero and Relena seemed to have no problem.) I also agree that Dorothy would get bored of Quatre's softness. Either that or she would be more attatched to him for it...you know, opposites attracting smile I think Quatre is most likely to go back to his family company or with the Maganac Corps and stay happy and single until he's older.

ChrisJS


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 12:07 am


I honestly just don't see 4D in the series. Don't. See it. At all. In my opinion, at least I can see how 3x4 would work during the show, since they have had plenty of time to get to know each other. True, I can see the arguments against it, since (especially at first) Trowa was certainly much less responsive to interacting with Quatre (much less anything else!) than vice versa.

What leads me to believe that 3x4 was supposed to be hinted at, at the very least, during the series was primarily that there were several (two that I can think of off hand, although it's been too long for me to be able to say the episoide) scenes where Trowa and Quatre were interacting to the background music that would be played at the same time that Heero and Relena were doing something significant. Also, as friends go? I can see Trowa and Quatre sustaining a long-term friendship better than Quatre and Dorothy. Also, during the series, Quatre is more interested in Trowa's wellbeing than Dorothy's (scene where Quatre meets an amnesiactic Trowa).

All in all, I think that Quatre and Dorothy would, yes, have interactions after the series was over (although they didn't seem to meet up much, judging by the manga that take place afterwards and EW), but I don't think she ever was or ever would be attracted to him or vice versa. It's always, "oh... and we need to pair up Quatre with someone, so... Dorothy's avalible!" I can understand how he would want to help her, and I can understand how he could see something of himself in her. I think that much is readily obvious to the viewer. I don't see how he would become attracted to that, though, as while he does take it upon himself to help others, he certainly doesn't seem to idolize martyrism. Even so, she doesn't seem like the sort of woman to need a savior. Relena is more receptive to that idea, although she is still capable of taking care of herself. Dorothy seems to be doing fine after the series ends without Quatre's help or love.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:44 pm


whats this topic about sorry if i dont understand

death blade yury


TabeArto

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:56 pm


Okay,for me it goes like this. One of my favorite pairings is 3x4. My reasons for not seeing them with their female counter parts are as follows. Trowa considers Catherine his sister and Midii(spelled wrong?) is too small of a character al most to consider a possibility. As for Quatre, poor Quatre. How could you expect anyone to live with a crazy person like Dorothy? Personally I can't stand her character, she's like Relena, jsut there to toy with the minds of the main characters.(no affence to you who like either of them)

Other than that it is hinted in the series and mangas several times. Quatre goes to see Trowa at the circus, he's the olny pilot ot actually see Quatre's home. Then there is the time when they rescue him after he gets amnesia. Also, who is the one to find him after Dorothy stabs him? Trowa!

And believe me, I have tried and tried to picture the two with their female opposites, but I can't, so for me it is easier to see them together than not!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:20 pm


You make some good points there but it still remains....

Why do the main characters have to be paired with anyone at all? If someone specifically likes a pairing (such as 3X4)...well okay, to each his own, but I don't see the logic in forcing pairings just because someone else doesn't work, you know what I mean? If Quatre didn't seem to be nicely paired, its ok with me. In fact I sometimes prefer it that way. If every single character got paired with someone in every anime...it would get old. Some characters are meant to stand alone. I see Trowa as one of those characters. If he were paired...ok but if not he is perfectly capable to stand alone.

ChrisJS


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:33 pm


::cracks knuckles::

1) Regarding Midii - Her getting back with Trowa is no less realistic than anything else in the series.

2) Regarding Relena and Dorothy - Neither of them is there just to screw with the boys' heads. Relena is their strongest ally, and one of the few civilians who can empathize with them. Meanwhile Dorothy is more antagonistic, but that's because she's had a different life and lived under different circumstances. Like the boys, she's had a major trauma in her past that she's going to have to get over; it's just going to take time.

3) Regarding Trowa/Quatre - Quatre sought Trowa out during his amnesia period because they're friends, and he still felt guilty for what happened. Heck, he spent a period moping over the idea that he'd actually killed Trowa. As for Trowa finding Quatre on Libra, that was just stupid coincidence - he was the only of the boys on the ship at the time, and Quatre couldn't leave under his own power. It's not like he's got a special sense to tell him that Quatre was in danger or anything.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion, these are just some points I respectfully dispute.
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:03 pm


About Trowa finding Quatre on Libra by accident...

Didn't Trowa go in saying "I'm coming, Quatre!" ?
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding the bigger picture here but I got the feeling that Trowa knew Quatre needed help. I'm not saying "newtype-psychic" kind of thing but...nonetheless...he sounded determined to help Quatre somehow...

ChrisJS


death blade yury

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:52 pm


im still confused
PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:53 pm


Death Blade: The discussion is on romantic relationships within Gundam Wing. One of the most contested in the series is Quatre and whether or not he's gay. The people who think he is usually pair him with Trowa. Those who don't typically have him with Dorothy. This topic is a discussion on peoples' thoughts and opinions on the subject.

I understand what you're saying, but there's really no way Trowa could have known that Quatre was in danger. Outside their Gundams, the boys don't have communications (maybe they should have it built into their helmets razz ). I don't remember the exact scene where Trowa says that line, but I believe it's after he accomplishes his goal (destroying some critical internal part of Libra), which to me suggests "I'm done here, now I'll go back up my buddy" more than "Gasp, the man I love is in trouble! Dramatic rescue, AWAAAY~!"

(PS, I apologize if this sounds mocking in any way. I was just trying to be silly.)

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death blade yury

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:12 am


oh sorry sweatdrop
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