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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:11 am
Esiris I think I see communism and socialism more as economic movements- but I think you're talking more in terms of maybe an ethical movement, so it's a little confusing. Maybe it has to do with the fact that the economic (and thus political) movements drew ideas from the ethical movements?
Yes! Precisely c:
Esiris Oh! We covered Ethical Egotism in my ethics class last week- if you want, I can post some stuff on it that I think is a pretty convincing argument as to why it isn't true. And feel free to PM me any time.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:12 am
Buttery Biscuit Face "Hey, I'm writing a book to raise awareness for the LGBT community, would you like to help?" (broke college student)"What's in it for me?" "Umm, you get 50% of the book sales" "How do I know that's true?" "Just believe what I say" The guy could get horribly ripped off or plagiarised or both. It still doesn't change that the stuff happened and that this thread has resulted in people contacting FB and requesting equality. cat_3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:15 am
Esiris Buttery Biscuit Face "Hey, I'm writing a book to raise awareness for the LGBT community, would you like to help?" (broke college student)"What's in it for me?" "Umm, you get 50% of the book sales" "How do I know that's true?" "Just believe what I say" The guy could get horribly ripped off or plagiarised or both. It still doesn't change that the stuff happened and that this thread has resulted in people contacting FB and requesting equality. cat_3nodding Well, I stick to my opinion that it is a petty matter.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:23 am
Buttery Biscuit Face Well, I stick to my opinion that it is a petty matter. And I'll stick to mine that equality isn't petty- it's inclusion and the right to self-identity and to do so accurately can be really powerful. One way that the trans community is harmed is by having cis-privilege erase us. "It's ok to be gay- but you can't be out" for gays is a lot like "it's ok to be trans- but you can't express yourself as you" now people keep saying that I can express myself, but I have to do it in a different part than where everyone else gets to and "seperate but equal" hasn't really done much for people because it hides and erases who we are so that people with privilege don't have to include us. If you don't have to include us and listen to us- you don't have to do a lot of things that you do for other people and that's why something like removing a slur, or including other options for gender on a website is more than just changing formatting- it is a measurable way to include a group that is excluded and marginalized.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:24 am
Esiris Buttery Biscuit Face Well, I stick to my opinion that it is a petty matter. And I'll stick to mine that equality isn't petty- it's inclusion and the right to self-identity and to do so accurately can be really powerful. One way that the trans community is harmed is by having cis-privilege erase us. "It's ok to be gay- but you can't be out" for gays is a lot like "it's ok to be trans- but you can't express yourself as you" now people keep saying that I can express myself, but I have to do it in a different part than where everyone else gets to and "seperate but equal" hasn't really done much for people because it hides and erases who we are so that people with privilege don't have to include us. If you don't have to include us and listen to us- you don't have to do a lot of things that you do for other people and that's why something like removing a slur, or including other options for gender on a website is more than just changing formatting- it is a measurable way to include a group that is excluded and marginalized. Why do you assume that I am cis?
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:35 am
gyyyaaaa this thread is giving me a headache. Its a good cause but you take EVERYTHING (and yes everything for I have been following this thread for a day now and have read all the posts to get the jist of the topic) so personally. People have a different opinion and you rip them a new one and say "Oh its cause your cis (which i dont know what that means btw)" only with fancier language. I understand you want equality but there are bigger fish to fry. Why attack Facebook just because it doesnt have a certain thing to click on? We still don't even have marriage equality nationally legalized. I'm not saying don't try and get it changed if you feel so strongly but don't take everything so personally and attack anyone that doesn't agree with you. The people that don't agree with you are just being realistic. Equality where everything hosts to the minority is NOT going to happen over night.
Like that one guy said, Facebook is not a necessity. If you need it for work then only go on for work and thats it.
Stop taking cheap shots, stop calling people names, and stop assuming that people don't agree with you just because their "cis".
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:05 pm
TheLostAngel-Mika gyyyaaaa this thread is giving me a headache. Its a good cause but you take EVERYTHING (and yes everything for I have been following this thread for a day now and have read all the posts to get the jist of the topic) so personally. Things that effect me are personal to me. Quote: People have a different opinion and you rip them a new one and say "Oh its cause your cis (which i dont know what that means btw)" only with fancier language. I don't see disagreeing to be the same as ripping someone a new one. Quote: I understand you want equality but there are bigger fish to fry. But I work on that too- so a move for equality anywhere helps the overall cause of equality everywhere. Quote: Why attack Facebook just because it doesnt have a certain thing to click on? This isn't an attack- it's a request. I think the first thing that needs to happen is that people need to knwo the difference between an attack and a disagreement and an attack and a request. I've been attacked- I've had a chick try and kill me for being a "lesbian"- which I'm not. I was closeted for a long time because even though she was wrong- just her thinking I was a lesbian was enough for her to try and beat my head in. I'm choosing now to request changes to make things equal for people like me. I'm disagreeing with people who tell me I shouldn't because every little bit helps. I am not calling people names like the names people call me. I am not beating people for disagreeing with me. Please- there is a huge difference between disagreements and requests- and attacks. Quote: We still don't even have marriage equality nationally legalized. I'm not saying don't try and get it changed if you feel so strongly but don't take everything so personally and attack anyone that doesn't agree with you. The people that don't agree with you are just being realistic. Equality where everything hosts to the minority is NOT going to happen over night. Like that one guy said, Facebook is not a necessity. If you need it for work then only go on for work and thats it. Stop taking cheap shots, stop calling people names, and stop assuming that people don't agree with you just because their "cis".I never said it was because they were cis- however, Cis-privilege does, by its nature, keep people unaware of the discrimination that transpeople face because they don't face it themselves. Buttery Biscuit Face Why do you assume that I am cis? "You" rolls off the tongue better than "unknown person". cat_3nodding So it's not used in the directive, but the general sense.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:19 pm
TheLostAngel-Mika gyyyaaaa this thread is giving me a headache. Its a good cause but you take EVERYTHING (and yes everything for I have been following this thread for a day now and have read all the posts to get the jist of the topic) so personally. People have a different opinion and you rip them a new one and say "Oh its cause your cis (which i dont know what that means btw)" only with fancier language. I understand you want equality but there are bigger fish to fry. Why attack Facebook just because it doesnt have a certain thing to click on? We still don't even have marriage equality nationally legalized. I'm not saying don't try and get it changed if you feel so strongly but don't take everything so personally and attack anyone that doesn't agree with you. The people that don't agree with you are just being realistic. Equality where everything hosts to the minority is NOT going to happen over night. Like that one guy said, Facebook is not a necessity. If you need it for work then only go on for work and thats it. Stop taking cheap shots, stop calling people names, and stop assuming that people don't agree with you just because their "cis". cis is any person thats not trans or genderqueer. if you are born with lady bits and you feel as though you are a woman then you are cis, same with men too and just to add a bit more to the topic also i can see why this is an issue. its not a need but a bit more than just a petty want. its nice to feel included in things. i know it gets on my nerves when bisexuals arent included in things because we are overlooked, i often feel i live in a world thats just gay and straight with no in between, and i imagine alot of genderqueer people feel the same
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:23 pm
Esiris "You" rolls off the tongue better than "unknown person". cat_3nodding So it's not used in the directive, but the general sense. That makes no sense whatsoever, but okay.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:27 pm
Shanna66 cis is any person thats not trans or genderqueer. if you are born with lady bits and you feel as though you are a woman then you are cis, same with men too and just to add a bit more to the topic also i can see why this is an issue. its not a need but a bit more than just a petty want. its nice to feel included in things. i know it gets on my nerves when bisexuals arent included in things because we are overlooked, i often feel i live in a world thats just gay and straight with no in between, and i imagine alot of genderqueer people feel the same There's a lot of psychology involved in why and how we exclude people, and what we do that furthers that and how it effects people outside of that one instance too. cat_3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:42 pm
Esiris Shanna66 cis is any person thats not trans or genderqueer. if you are born with lady bits and you feel as though you are a woman then you are cis, same with men too and just to add a bit more to the topic also i can see why this is an issue. its not a need but a bit more than just a petty want. its nice to feel included in things. i know it gets on my nerves when bisexuals arent included in things because we are overlooked, i often feel i live in a world thats just gay and straight with no in between, and i imagine alot of genderqueer people feel the same There's a lot of psychology involved in why and how we exclude people, and what we do that furthers that and how it effects people outside of that one instance too. cat_3nodding i imagine it would have plenty of reasons behind it, even if we dont realise we are excluding people intentionaly. though as a bisexual i feel im exluded just because people assume im going to be able to identify with either the gay or straight side, im not sure if there is a reason other than that or people pretending i dont exsist for some reason xd
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:47 pm
Shanna66 i imagine it would have plenty of reasons behind it, even if we dont realise we are excluding people intentionaly. though as a bisexual i feel im exluded just because people assume im going to be able to identify with either the gay or straight side, im not sure if there is a reason other than that or people pretending i dont exsist for some reason xd In my psych class last quarter we talked about homophobia and cross-marginalization a little bit. On the homophobic side- bisexuals in same-sex relationships are discriminated for the same reason gays and lesbians are. On the cross-marginalization side, some people in the gay and lesbian communities may cross-marginalize bisexuals because being bi can "blend in" and not face the same discrimination that they are forced to face by being in gay and lesbian relationships. There is also a sense of power and protection that people feel when they marginalize someone else- brain-activity wise. They don't even have to want to do it- but it creates those feelings anyway.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:52 pm
Esiris Shanna66 i imagine it would have plenty of reasons behind it, even if we dont realise we are excluding people intentionaly. though as a bisexual i feel im exluded just because people assume im going to be able to identify with either the gay or straight side, im not sure if there is a reason other than that or people pretending i dont exsist for some reason xd In my psych class last quarter we talked about homophobia and cross-marginalization a little bit. On the homophobic side- bisexuals in same-sex relationships are discriminated for the same reason gays and lesbians are. On the cross-marginalization side, some people in the gay and lesbian communities may cross-marginalize bisexuals because being bi can "blend in" and not face the same discrimination that they are forced to face by being in gay and lesbian relationships. There is also a sense of power and protection that people feel when they marginalize someone else- brain-activity wise. They don't even have to want to do it- but it creates those feelings anyway. brains are odd things. though i do enjoy my ability to blend in and ill willingly admit ive had a much easier time than alot of homosexuals because im in a hetero relationship
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:55 pm
Shanna66 brains are odd things. though i do enjoy my ability to blend in and ill willingly admit ive had a much easier time than alot of homosexuals because im in a hetero relationship I'm bi, poly and trans- I don't blend well. cat_sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:13 am
Esiris Shanna66 brains are odd things. though i do enjoy my ability to blend in and ill willingly admit ive had a much easier time than alot of homosexuals because im in a hetero relationship I'm bi, poly and trans- I don't blend well. cat_sweatdrop i imagine the poly part gets quite a few qustions and odd looks im still not sure if im bigender or just a cis person who really doesnt care. but im married and my husband already knows all the stuff i want to try and has already said no to alot of it so it doesnt matter too much to me i think it was you in the guild who said they were third gender right? if i have that wrong im very sorry. but ive been meaning to ask what third gender was
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