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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:15 pm
TheAntiBella YahuShalum Actually I'm their worse nightmare because I use the bible for what it is. Except you don't. Seriously. How is your convoluted interpretation of Revelation in which you impose twenty-first century concepts onto a first century text taking "the bible for what it is"? There are much simpler ways of interpreting Revelation, but you ignore them in favor of the interpretation that didn't come about until the nineteenth century. Are you saying that all Christians prior to the nineteenth century were wrong? That they should have seen Revelation as being a prophecy concerning some unspecified point in the future instead of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E.? Can you also explain how all the prophecies in Revelation match up with events in the first century? Quote: The forehead wouldn't be a problem either. Such as tracking devices. Or even inmates would probably get it in their head. Why? If this thing is meant to be a glorified credit card, why would ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PUT IT IN THEIR FOREHEAD. And saying inmates would get it--are you implying it would be given to them against their will? Sure sounds like it, anyway. So, if it's given to them against their will, does that mean the mark damns them? Quote: And the constitution will pretty much be null and void soon enough. So there goes your freedoms. Not to mention the whole conspiracy thing we believe in for the most part the NWO. One world government, one world religion, one world currency (Most likely digital thus the need for the chips). It all falls into place for our prophecies. In what way would a digital currency benefit anyone's failing economy? You're ignoring real-life events in favor of your Revelation fever dreams. Also, how is anyone benefited by a OWG? Who would agree to that and why? Same goes for a OWR. Can you imagine yourself buying into such a thing? If not, what makes you think anyone else will? You think Muslims would be okay with following a OWR? Catholics? Hindus? Unless you're suggesting the Antichrist is going to have mind control powers when he or she rises to power, I don't see a OWR ever happening. Just take a look at the world around us--so many wars are fought over religion, and yet you think people will complacently give up their beliefs and traditions for a common faith? Are you INSANE? Quote: The only reason we would be heritics was because we didn't bow to the congregation (Which is not the CHURCH!) We followed the scriptures put forth and not the doctrine of the congregations. Where do you think the "doctrine of the congregations" comes from? Oh, yeah--that would be the Bible. All you guys are doing is rejecting a common, well-thought-out theology for concepts that don't even show up in the Bible at all. For example, your OWR? Please show me where such a thing is stated in Revelation. Word to the wise: you won't find it. Also, question: Do you buy into the "rapture," too? DysFUNKtional Duck It makes sense, but I still disagree. Whether or not they're in the majority is an entirely separate argument and does nothing to displace his point. No, it doesn't displace his point. It does, however, prove that his point isn't the common sense "it's right there in scripture" nonsense he's trying to pass it off as. It proves dispensationalism is a minority heresy. None of which actually says dispensationalism is necessarily false, but when most biblical scholars (both Christian and secular) tend to agree on a certain point, and the majority of a faith believes a certain way, again, it should cause one to wonder where his or her dissenting opinion actually comes from. If said person can back up his or her dissenting opinion with facts and/or biblical text that actually disproves the majority opinion, that's one thing, but Yahu isn't even questioning his own opinion. He's started off with the assumption it's correct, so ******** all the hundreds of years of the Christian faith and all those biblical scholars who think dispensationalism leads to even worse theology. You're annoying. So prove my interpretations of rev. is wrong. Prove to me that computer chip isn't the mark of the beast. You have no clue what my faith is first of all. I use the whole bible I don't pick and choose scriptures to suit my needs. Prove to me how a digital currency wouldn't work. If hyper inflation ensues it would make sense to have digital currency instead of hauling wheel barrows full of cash to the market. As for me I've studied up on this stuff I'm saying. I don't trust biblical scholars I don't trust congregations. I trust myself and my own deciphering through the BS. I've collectedly studied various things. Once again you don't even know my faith.
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:17 pm
DysFUNKtional Duck YahuShalum DysFUNKtional Duck YahuShalum DysFUNKtional Duck YahuShalum I think I'm a double virgo leo. For my full chart. (Though I try not to give heed to the stuff) Goddamn Virgo boys! gonk I just can't get away from you people! xp And I'm assuming you mean your ascendant is Leo? Or do you have a Leo cusp? (Why not? Is it blasphemous? xd Oh please use the word blasphemous! whee I love that word.) It's just some site I found out on. It uses your date of birth year and time of birth. And I don't take heed to it because I just don't follow it? It's blasphemous! (Happy now? lol I did it just for you!) But it didn't give you any more information? It just said "double Virgo Leo"? -_- Would you be opposed to maybe giving me your birthday, so I could draw up your chart, myself? ^_^ (Oh golly, you sure know how to please a woman. xd Maybe next time, I'll get multiple blaspheme's. whee ) LMAO! multiple haha And sure thing. September 4th 1986 at 3AMish Cool. mrgreen I have to go to sleep now. xp (I start work at 3:45am.) But I'll draw up your chart tomorrow. 3nodding And I know you try to avoid such... ninja blasphemy whee ninja ...., but I can PM it to you, if you like. 3nodding Sounds good to me! I'm curious anyways! I appreciate it and goodnight!
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:37 pm
My biggest concern with this post is that your language suggests anger. Why are you so angry? There's really no reason.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:43 am
DysFUNKtional Duck The White Gale Dragonwolf Bleeeh, seriously this topic? Look, if Jesus is real (I'm a Free Methodist technically because other secs don't suit my views) he will come when we least expect it. End of Story. Period. If you don't like it, fine. . . . You're argument is compelling. -_- My argument is not meant to be compelling. It is a fact stated twice if not thrice in the Bible that I know of, stated not only in Revelations but in other books and letters of the Bible too. Revelations is a dream or vision of a saint or prophet or just a guy who dreamt it. He is trying the best he can to describe what he saw in it. The beasts and the dragon and others and some events are described exactly as they sound, but in metaphors and using things from that time to describe it. The problem is there are many events in history that fit these events exactly. Now, I don't have my Bible right in front of me, so I will try the best I can with this, but you remember the chapter in Revelations with the beast and the lady drunk on wine right? (This is only going to end horribly with what I am trying to say) From what I remember from that chapter there was a lady riding a beast (or the beast, forgot) and was drunk on wine (holding the cup up I think), and the dreamer was amazed. But the Lord said that he should not be. Later on the lady was struck down, and all the world's merchants mourned her. From what I am getting from that, is that a lady with a wine cup is a metaphor (or describing the best he can) to something we all know: The Statue of Liberty. America's symbol is a beast, an Eagle. You can't strike at money, but you can strike at Trade. The world mourned her fall. World Trade Center. It can also refer to Black Thursday or some other event in the future, but I am not one for certain.
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:01 am
TheAntiBella YahuShalum So you plan on taking the chip then? I have no intention to have any sort of microchip implanted into me. If I ever do, though, I'll have it put into my LEFT hand. How's that work for ya? Edit: I'm also going to take your utter lack of an actual response as a concession on your part. What if John the Revelator was dyslexic and cross eyed? Then the mark of the beast would be on your left hand and say "OVER 9000!" ... But seriously, it doesn't matter if there is a God with respect to how we should respond to the prophecy. The fact is, some people use religious texts as inspiration for the conquests and technology. You'd be pretty shocked by how many things are named after Norse gods, and how many of them actually apply. So when someone says "hey lets stick some kind of password on people's arms and kill them if they refuse, and refuse them food and water if they don't use these passwords to buy our stuff" you should be worried - Gozer and the Ghostbusters or otherwise. Fire from the sky? There's like a dozen ways to do that today, including the mach 30 guided kinetic kill uavs, orbital laser beams, and ICBMs. Who cares if there's a fluffy winged angel and a giant horned demon involved? "Slaves" and "Killed" are pretty universal concepts. Imagine if we didn't fight Hitler because we thought Swatsikas had no meaning.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:43 pm
Utopian Suicide Honestly, I have no interest in your conspiracy stuff. I was raised in it, so I'm familiar with the concepts and the kind of mental gymnastics it takes to believe such things. So, you know. Have fun. Whatever floats your boat and all that. What did stick out to me, though, was your comment that the prophecies of Revelation are coming true, and the reason this caught my eye is due to the fact that this weird interpretation of Revelation in which there is an Antichrist and a OWG and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem... This isn't how mainstream Christianity interprets it. You claim that the prophecies are coming true NOW, but the prophecies made in Revelation have NOTHING to do with us here in the twenty-first century. Revelation was written sometime in the first century to first century people about first century events. Only a small sect of Christianity believes this nonsense about an Antichrist (which does not appear ANYWHERE in the book of Revelation, might I add), and this minority interpretation didn't arise until the nineteenth century. By claiming that you "respect" the prophecies of Revelation while at the same time completely disregarding them in favor of ******** Darby and Tim LaHaye is mind boggling to me because it forces you to say that hundreds of years of Christian eschatology and biblical scholars were wrong about their own holy book, and that all it takes are a couple of douche bags hyped up on fever dreams to "decode" Revelation by taking it "literally"--and by "literally," I mean "not at all." To sum up, there are NO prophecies having to do with an Antichrist or a OWG in the Christian Bible. The fact you guys apparently think so means you haven't done your research--which means I can't take you seriously. If you can actually believe Tim LaHaye knows what he's talking about, what other bullshit are you guys falling for? If you want to read a story that may be real,read the Necronomicon. Some say its real some think its fake.Its all about Revelation.Have run reading
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:14 pm
YahuShalum You're annoying. So prove my interpretations of rev. is wrong. Prove to me that computer chip isn't the mark of the beast. You have no clue what my faith is first of all. I use the whole bible I don't pick and choose scriptures to suit my needs. Prove to me how a digital currency wouldn't work. If hyper inflation ensues it would make sense to have digital currency instead of hauling wheel barrows full of cash to the market. As for me I've studied up on this stuff I'm saying. I don't trust biblical scholars I don't trust congregations. I trust myself and my own deciphering through the BS. I've collectedly studied various things. Once again you don't even know my faith. Prove that the computer chip is. Remember, the burden of proof isn't on the person saying it doesn't exist, it's on the person who says it does/is. Digital currency has several disadvantages unique to it. One is it's ease of attack. A bank has to keep tidy records of their money. Each bank has a set amount of money, and has to account for gains and losses. Assuming something along the lines of the credstick, it is only a matter of time before malicious hackers figure out how to give themselves infinite money. Think counterfeiting on the scale of millions and the police being helpless to figure it out. As recently pointed out, even embedded circuits are not immune to viruses, so there is no foolproof method. Furthermore, it would require the government to track all currency, which is a bureaucratic task that is close to impossible to accomplish. No one needs to. You've pointed out your christian by saying you believe in Revelations. Your specific denomination is unimportant.
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:23 pm
FlamingCanine YahuShalum You're annoying. So prove my interpretations of rev. is wrong. Prove to me that computer chip isn't the mark of the beast. You have no clue what my faith is first of all. I use the whole bible I don't pick and choose scriptures to suit my needs. Prove to me how a digital currency wouldn't work. If hyper inflation ensues it would make sense to have digital currency instead of hauling wheel barrows full of cash to the market. As for me I've studied up on this stuff I'm saying. I don't trust biblical scholars I don't trust congregations. I trust myself and my own deciphering through the BS. I've collectedly studied various things. Once again you don't even know my faith. Prove that the computer chip is. Remember, the burden of proof isn't on the person saying it doesn't exist, it's on the person who says it does/is. Digital currency has several disadvantages unique to it. One is it's ease of attack. A bank has to keep tidy records of their money. Each bank has a set amount of money, and has to account for gains and losses. Assuming something along the lines of the credstick, it is only a matter of time before malicious hackers figure out how to give themselves infinite money. Think counterfeiting on the scale of millions and the police being helpless to figure it out. As recently pointed out, even embedded circuits are not immune to viruses, so there is no foolproof method. Furthermore, it would require the government to track all currency, which is a bureaucratic task that is close to impossible to accomplish. No one needs to. You've pointed out your christian by saying you believe in Revelations. Your specific denomination is unimportant. Any spiritual experiences?
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 am
YahuShalum FlamingCanine YahuShalum You're annoying. So prove my interpretations of rev. is wrong. Prove to me that computer chip isn't the mark of the beast. You have no clue what my faith is first of all. I use the whole bible I don't pick and choose scriptures to suit my needs. Prove to me how a digital currency wouldn't work. If hyper inflation ensues it would make sense to have digital currency instead of hauling wheel barrows full of cash to the market. As for me I've studied up on this stuff I'm saying. I don't trust biblical scholars I don't trust congregations. I trust myself and my own deciphering through the BS. I've collectedly studied various things. Once again you don't even know my faith. Prove that the computer chip is. Remember, the burden of proof isn't on the person saying it doesn't exist, it's on the person who says it does/is. Digital currency has several disadvantages unique to it. One is it's ease of attack. A bank has to keep tidy records of their money. Each bank has a set amount of money, and has to account for gains and losses. Assuming something along the lines of the credstick, it is only a matter of time before malicious hackers figure out how to give themselves infinite money. Think counterfeiting on the scale of millions and the police being helpless to figure it out. As recently pointed out, even embedded circuits are not immune to viruses, so there is no foolproof method. Furthermore, it would require the government to track all currency, which is a bureaucratic task that is close to impossible to accomplish. No one needs to. You've pointed out your christian by saying you believe in Revelations. Your specific denomination is unimportant. Any spiritual experiences? Irrelevant to the discussion.
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