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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:31 pm
To be honest, I haven't seen much anything wrong with this guild. Sure I have my fights with greg, but concerning the villages and such, I haven't spent much time outside of the Mist (and also been innactive cuz college takes priority, I need to keep my scholarships for next year.)
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:44 pm
Kurgistar Im sorry but i think that what you have labeled as a privet matter is not so. yes sometimes there are feuds between rpers that can be handled in privet but thats not what she is talking about. we DONT need to take this matter to pms because in my opinion that just seems like we are just trying to hide the matter. Not to mention if its an argument with someone in crew they are placed in a position that they can say or do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. even if the member comes forward to speak out to other members it becomes a he said she said argument. then once again the crew also gets to determine what is allowed to be posted and what needs to be taken to pms... while that may not seem too bad of an issue let me just give an example of how that can be bad: lets say that a member like me posts something that i feel should be addressed in public so that others can understand my points and opinions. this issue show negligence and abuse of power by a crew member. but that crew member, (lets say you just for example) who doesnt like whats being said though it may be true and tells the person to move it to pm and deletes the post... see how it can be abused? I understand what you are saying, and I thought about that while I was typing up my response. The reason why I'm saying that the PM rule needs to exist is because of the consequences of what happens when something is made public rather than private. In the scenario you have given me, I can tell you right now that it would be a bad idea to bring something like that out in public and its not because we want to hide problems, its because we want to involve the least amount of people as possible in the issue. Let's keep that scenario going just to show you my point: -You post in the Complaints/Concerns thread stating everything that you find wrong in my leadership style. -I haven't seen your post yet, but a couple of my friends have and they feel the need to defend me. -They post. You reply. Your friends jump in. More and more people get involved. -Greg jumps in to stop the madness and people see him as a tyrant. OR -You post in the Complaints/Concerns thread stating everything that you find wrong in my leadership style. -I see your post and something you say offends me. I respond. -We both reply back and forth for a while and then more people start throwing in their two cents. -People start to pick sides. Someone goes home with hurt feelings. ------------------------ I know that this happens because that is exactly what happened with the marijuana discussion. The reason why it is better to do PMs is because you can address the person you have a problem with, without needlessly involving others. If that doesn't work you can contact one of the guild captains and they will handle the issue for you.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:36 pm
@Greg: You have your vacations when things go down, and I just have my off days when they go down. Really is odd.
Okay, so, topics.
Oto: I am 100% against closing Oto. "Why is that? You know as well as we do that it's inactive!" No, voice in my head, it's not. It is slow, it is full of second RPCs, and a few of the members have stopped RPing there completely, but there are active members, who are enjoying themselves a great deal. Oto is the most unique village in POTS by far, and would be a shame to close. Not to mention the few first RPCs there, who would have to start all over again, just because a few thought the village wasn't active enough.
Solution? Let those who want to RP there continue to do so, and let anyone who feels it's too slow for them move their RPC elsewhere and start over.
Separate Guilds: I'm on the fence on this one. On the one hand, it would be great for communication between villagers. On the other, it creates potential issues in the areas already mentioned. Spying and such. And on my magical third hand, it would be hard to actually get everyone into them, and probably be annoying for some.
Crew Transparency: I honestly don't see the issue on this one. Things in the crew are kept hidden for a few different reasons. One, we're working on something that needs to be kept secret from regular members, such as a storyline, or chuunin exams secrets. Two, we're having a discussion on something that, again, needs to be hidden. Reason depending on discussion. Yes, members would love to poke their noses in and see what's going on, but a lot of the time, it's better that that not happen, because it complicates things.
On the matter Kurgistar mentioned, where I quoted LT in crew. Everyone assumed I was in there slandering him and using my crew status to keep everything hidden from him while I did horrible evil things. I really can't even begin to express how confused that assumption made me. I quoted him in there, simply to ask the crew at what point I was allowed to retaliate after being attacked and cussed at for no legitimate reason. There was no slander, no secret dissing, nothing.
And that's how things generally are in the crew forum. We're not in there doing things we don't want you to know about. We're doing things that are for crew eyes only, for the sake of privacy. Much like your parents locking their bedroom door at night. They really don't care if you know what's happening, but they sure as hell don't want you watching.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:37 pm
... don't worry I'm not gonna say anything controversal.... i hope... (jwlz)
FIRST
I think we all got mixed up in the politics of it all and instead of RPing we are here waiting for an oppurtunnity to argue defend and repeat. But let's keep in the back of our minds that RP is most important in the guild, then politics and debate. If we spent HALF of HALF as much time we do arguing and reprimanding and ougun threatening and ougan... um... you know... getting-mad-because-the-word-was-used-at-all-ing... then we wouldn't even have a inactivity problem. Wanna know why pots is dying? Because we are so busy standing alone that the guild gets no love from us. Now, that all in mind, here is what I (to be said with some degree of awesomeness) want to see.
ONE MORE THING
I'd like to see Mistah's PM policy put into effect, because WAAAAY to many wars breakout because some of our more... outspoken... and... uh... you know... I'm-gonna-say-whatever-and-then-claim-that-it's-just-how-I-am-ers that want to jump in and say whatever they wanna say to whoever. If we get a PM system going we can have arguments with little outside force. Then emotions probably won't flare up and no one will end up feeling like they needed to be "defended because they made a harmless tottally not meant to piss anyone off statement."
ONE MORE THING
I'd like to see an actual system of punishment here. Rather than having to hear "IM GONNA FRIGGIN OUGAN YOU!" Especially when a huge full scale argument breaks out or something gets blown out of proportion and we all go home with a threat. Bullcrap. I mean like how about a three strike system before you get a two day ban from chatrooms or something, and then if you post or offenses continue you get an ougan no questions asked. Which leads to point number three.
ONE MORE THING
You know what I got sick of hearing the third time it was said? "You all know I'm a ***** which permits me to be as offensive as I want and you should just deal with it." *Sneezes really hard* Sorry I'm allergic to the BULLCRAP. Anyone else just hear this as an excuse to be offensive and get away with it? I DO. I won't name names but you few proud members know who you are... and feel free to call and yell at me for it XD.
ONE MORE THING
I'm interested giving numerous jobs to crew like instead of saying "JULI YOU ARE HEAD OF BLOODLINES!" why not assign four ppl to it instead of one and do this for each jkob so that no one gets stuck waiting on an acceptance? (SAying this cuz it's happened to me numerous times with tai styles long before it was Bea's job. No attacks to her)
ONE MORE THING
Can we get an ARC please? XD I know it's been answered but it's what I want.
ONE MORE THING
Honestly, and this will probably be shot down, I think we need to get some new fresh crew members in the guild. I feel like we don't have enough because only like three are active so that we see it... and the rest are... distanced from us...
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:44 pm
iMistah-kun Kurgistar Im sorry but i think that what you have labeled as a privet matter is not so. yes sometimes there are feuds between rpers that can be handled in privet but thats not what she is talking about. we DONT need to take this matter to pms because in my opinion that just seems like we are just trying to hide the matter. Not to mention if its an argument with someone in crew they are placed in a position that they can say or do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. even if the member comes forward to speak out to other members it becomes a he said she said argument. then once again the crew also gets to determine what is allowed to be posted and what needs to be taken to pms... while that may not seem too bad of an issue let me just give an example of how that can be bad: lets say that a member like me posts something that i feel should be addressed in public so that others can understand my points and opinions. this issue show negligence and abuse of power by a crew member. but that crew member, (lets say you just for example) who doesnt like whats being said though it may be true and tells the person to move it to pm and deletes the post... see how it can be abused? I understand what you are saying, and I thought about that while I was typing up my response. The reason why I'm saying that the PM rule needs to exist is because of the consequences of what happens when something is made public rather than private. In the scenario you have given me, I can tell you right now that it would be a bad idea to bring something like that out in public and its not because we want to hide problems, its because we want to involve the least amount of people as possible in the issue. Let's keep that scenario going just to show you my point: -You post in the Complaints/Concerns thread stating everything that you find wrong in my leadership style. -I haven't seen your post yet, but a couple of my friends have and they feel the need to defend me. -They post. You reply. Your friends jump in. More and more people get involved. -Greg jumps in to stop the madness and people see him as a tyrant. OR -You post in the Complaints/Concerns thread stating everything that you find wrong in my leadership style. -I see your post and something you say offends me. I respond. -We both reply back and forth for a while and then more people start throwing in their two cents. -People start to pick sides. Someone goes home with hurt feelings. ------------------------ I know that this happens because that is exactly what happened with the marijuana discussion. The reason why it is better to do PMs is because you can address the person you have a problem with, without needlessly involving others. If that doesn't work you can contact one of the guild captains and they will handle the issue for you. i agree it can be hectic but i it would be better to have these kids release all of that pent-up tension rather then having them hold it in and fester into a malevolent hatred. furthermore if a member doesnt trust you what makes you think they will trust another member of crew? all of you represent a unified body and if you look at how the member felt in the dispute is that no one would stand up for and back them up. so if you want this to work you have to make the members feel that they can trust crew which as i have seen has not happened. if it was people would have brought you their problems a long time ago. on a side note i do like the idea of making the villages into different guilds but doesnt that mean that people would have to be members of each village? if not that will cut down on the relations between villages A LOT. would crew be crew in all of those guilds? also how would you plan to transfer all of the info from each of the villages into those guilds? just cut and paste or just starting from scratch?
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:56 pm
iSix-kun ONE MORE THING I'd like to see an actual system of punishment here. Rather than having to hear "IM GONNA FRIGGIN OUGAN YOU!" Especially when a huge full scale argument breaks out or something gets blown out of proportion and we all go home with a threat. Bullcrap. I mean like how about a three strike system before you get a two day ban from chatrooms or something, and then if you post or offenses continue you get an ougan no questions asked. Which leads to point number three.I like that idea... but that may be just me. For what I think is my first offense ever in this guild, I received a full-scale Ougun, banning me from make a Second RPC for a month, and I think likewise on all custom matters.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 4:07 pm
I joined not too long ago, but RPs kind of intimate me as I am a newbie to it all.
I never got involved in fights here so I don't have much of a say or opinion on that.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:49 pm
Well I'm as inactive as anyone can get, but I suppose I'm still a member of the guild so I might as well post here as well.
I can't comment on the bickering and stuff, but I think I can comment on the Customs thread, where I think a lot of RP customs have been waiting for approval or denial for quite some time-- mine has been so since March 21, and though I'm not rushing the crew members into approving it, someone could at least say it's denied so that I can make another one or give up and simply settle on using the already approved ones so I can finally make a RPC. I doubt it's intentional though, so perhaps it was simply overlooked.
Which isn't hard to believe, since if several people posted in the same thread at once, the crew would certainly have a hard time looking over all of them, and chances are one or two posts will be overlooked. I can't think of any way to help in fixing this, but I think I have something that can be used instead to improve the Profile Acceptance Forum thread in the New Members Start Here sub-forum. Instead of having all of the soon-to-be-approved profiles in one thread, perhaps it would be better if the Profile Acceptance Forum was elevated into a sub-forum, and the profiles were elevated into threads within the sub-forum, instead of posts within a thread. That way, it would be easier on the crew to monitor which profiles have been approved or not, as members would be asked to put a [Approved], [Pending], or [U/C] tag on their titles, for approved profiles, profiles waiting to be approved, and those that are under construction, respectively.
Just a suggestion though since I can't think of anything else to say.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 6:04 pm
@Playboy: RP is intimate to you? This is good, though slightly disturbing if taken in the wrong context.
Wait, was that a misspelling of intimidate? Well, in that case, you shouldn't let it. I can honestly say when I first joined I was somewhat intimidated by the prospect of full paragraph RP myself, having only had experience with emote style RP, a style allowing only a few sentences. After joining POTS though, my skill rapidly increased in a rather short time, to where I seem to be recognized pretty high in the rankings here for skill. A rather impressive feat, when I look at the others, such as Cobra and Luo. (On that note, I feel like smacking the people who voted me number two in that poll.)
But yeah, that whole rant is just to say, don't feel intimidated. Just go at your own pace, and push yourself to improve at every step. If you really want to get better, you will.
(And if you DID mean intimate after all, well... Oh well.)
~
@Dante: I've seen that style of approval system used before, but I have to say, it'd be somewhat inconvenient. The way we have it set up, the profile judge just has to scroll through and write as they go. With that, he'd have to bounce around everywhere and there would be a lot more work to it.
The best thing regular members can do to help the approval process of customs, is to look and see if there's already a lot waiting, and if there are, wait a bit until it's been taken care of. Don't submit incomplete customs in the thread, save them elsewhere, cause a judge will just trip over them. And when the judge does get to your stuff, don't argue over the little things, because that will make the judge not want to look back, and take even longer.
For profiles, same thing. Don't post incomplete profiles, read the profile guide before posting and make sure your profile is made properly, and scan a few recently judged profiles to make sure you haven't made any mistakes they've been called on. Having the applicant check their own profile over a few times before submission will smooth the process immensely. It doesn't have to take a week to get a profile approved.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:31 pm
Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh
Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now...
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Wealthy Conversationalist
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:53 pm
Flaming Amarant X Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now... Why are you back? EDIT: That sounded rude. Still. My question stands.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:59 pm
Flaming Amarant X Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now... Yo. You popped in sooner than I expected.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:03 pm
Hinote Tosatsu Flaming Amarant X Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now... Yo. You popped in sooner than I expected. What can I say...I'm known for never meeting expectations XP
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:04 pm
Flaming Amarant X Hinote Tosatsu Flaming Amarant X Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now... Yo. You popped in sooner than I expected. What can I say...I'm known for never meeting expectations XP Oh... Well... You can leave now then I guess. =/
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:09 pm
Flaming Amarant X Well...I guess it's good to see that something's being done... blaugh Other than that...I'll keep my thoughts to myself, for now...
I KNEW I WASN'T HALLUCINATING!!! >D
But now I can't use the insanity plea... emo
On another moot point: Mistah... your first post is too much for my brain to read. Short attention span and all...
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