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Uber or OU?
Uber
40%
 40%  [ 17 ]
OU
59%
 59%  [ 25 ]
Total Votes : 42


Bulbasauurr

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:54 pm


A noobs point of view:

We really need a dragon counter. I think the main reason these pokes are banned is because they have no counter or wall that can take them. They can only be revenge killed. That's just what I have gathered...

I know when I face mence or chomp I usually end up having no choice but to sacrifice a mon or use unpredictability. x_x;
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:29 pm


Bulbasauurr
A noobs point of view:

We really need a dragon counter. I think the main reason these pokes are banned is because they have no counter or wall that can take them. They can only be revenge killed. That's just what I have gathered...

I know when I face mence or chomp I usually end up having no choice but to sacrifice a mon or use unpredictability. x_x;



Steel-types easily wall Dragons and with how common Ice Punch and Ice Beam are as Move Tutor/TM/Egg moves, there are plenty of Dragon counters. In terms of Chomp, it had enough bulk to use a Yache Berry to resist counters (thus only could be revenge killed) and had the ability to STAB EQ, which is super effective against Steel-types.

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Kyo the III

PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:02 pm


i say over used.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:19 am


Uggh, I'm starting to wish I voted for Uber. (Much like Zet) The reason is, I used to think that Uber was actually a tier where only the ubers were usable. Not literally, but realistically. Now that I've heard that it's pretty much a "recycle bin", I actually believe he should stay there, because though he is counterable, he is also switchable, & what I mean by that is he doesn't have to stay in to be defeated (unless he's locked in with Outrage), I mean Choice sets don't usually stay in, do they? So, why not run a Specs set & just use Draco meteor, switch, & then use it again later. Ya, Blissey could wall this, but Salamence has teamates.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:54 am


Archolite
Uggh, I'm starting to wish I voted for Uber. (Much like Zet) The reason is, I used to think that Uber was actually a tier where only the ubers were usable. Not literally, but realistically. Now that I've heard that it's pretty much a "recycle bin", I actually believe he should stay there, because though he is counterable, he is also switchable, & what I mean by that is he doesn't have to stay in to be defeated (unless he's locked in with Outrage), I mean Choice sets don't usually stay in, do they? So, why not run a Specs set & just use Draco meteor, switch, & then use it again later. Ya, Blissey could wall this, but Salamence has teamates.


" has teammates" can be said about pretty much any Pokemon in the metagame. Switching around in my opinion hurts Salamence as it lacks proper the Defenses to take a hit and it's mediocre speed is lacking compared to it's counters. That really isn't a strong reason for slamming down the Uber Ban Hammer upon him, in my opinion.

Though my morbid curiosity would dictate that I'd honestly like to see what sort of Metagame would exist without the Mixed Beast. My guess would be a rise in Infernape, Lucario, Flygon and Dragonite usage in it's place and not the complete Grass-stall everyone seems to believe. Of course, that's just me.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:05 am


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Bulbasauurr
A noobs point of view:

We really need a dragon counter. I think the main reason these pokes are banned is because they have no counter or wall that can take them. They can only be revenge killed. That's just what I have gathered...

I know when I face mence or chomp I usually end up having no choice but to sacrifice a mon or use unpredictability. x_x;



Steel-types easily wall Dragons and with how common Ice Punch and Ice Beam are as Move Tutor/TM/Egg moves, there are plenty of Dragon counters. In terms of Chomp, it had enough bulk to use a Yache Berry to resist counters (thus only could be revenge killed) and had the ability to STAB EQ, which is super effective against Steel-types.
Can steel types really wall a Mence? I'm not sure they can, since most movesets on Salamence carry Fire & Ground moves. Then again, maybe they can because of their decent defenses, I wouldn't really know for sure... As for your last comment, you are correct, I don't remember why I said that, that was pretty pointless, especially since he's weak to Stealth Rock. & I don't believe Salamence has a reliable counter, at least until you find out what set he runs. But even then, you already have to have that pokemon on your team. & why do people post things like "OU"/"Uber" & then just leave the debate?...

And one last thing, you said ban hammer. Lawl

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:15 am


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:27 pm


So is Salamence banned or not, cuz if he is, I'll not only go crazy, I'll throw everything but the kitchen sink for him to be allowed again.....freakin Smogon noobs....banning all my dragons from play....

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Kyo the III

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:28 pm


Another thing is that its fast with intimidate
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:44 pm


Kyo the III
Another thing is that its fast with intimidate
.... stare At least post something worth mentioning stare ....
But yes, it is fast enough, however Intimidate is really not much worth mentioning, because you usually will switch anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:47 am


Bulbasauurr
A noobs point of view:

We really need a dragon counter. I think the main reason these pokes are banned is because they have no counter or wall that can take them. They can only be revenge killed. That's just what I have gathered...

I know when I face mence or chomp I usually end up having no choice but to sacrifice a mon or use unpredictability. x_x;

Well, something Smogon listed as a possible new move would work. An Ice-type Stealth Rock. It would cripple almost every Dragon in the OU Metagame. Their usage would probably drop significantly.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:36 am


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Bulbasauurr
A noobs point of view:

We really need a dragon counter. I think the main reason these pokes are banned is because they have no counter or wall that can take them. They can only be revenge killed. That's just what I have gathered...

I know when I face mence or chomp I usually end up having no choice but to sacrifice a mon or use unpredictability. x_x;

Well, something Smogon listed as a possible new move would work. An Ice-type Stealth Rock. It would cripple almost every Dragon in the OU Metagame. Their usage would probably drop significantly.
Especially seeing how most Dragons also have a secondary type that's weak to Ice.

Examples: Salamence (Flying), Dragonite (Flying), Rayquaza (Flying), Altaria (Flying), Garchomp (Ground), Flygon (Ground).

Probably the only ones able to resist such a move would be Reshiram, Dialga, Palkia and Kingdra.

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Lord Martini

PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:57 am


Archolite
Kyo the III
Another thing is that its fast with intimidate
.... stare At least post something worth mentioning stare ....
But yes, it is fast enough, however Intimidate is really not much worth mentioning, because you usually will switch anyway.


Intimidate is the least of our problems. I mean sure it will lower your Attack stat but Archolite is right.  
PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:33 pm


Man, with another entry hazard like Stealth Rock that is Ice type, Flying types would get wrecked! Kyren, we would definitely need a defensive Delibird evolution, eh?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:48 pm


Archolite
Man, with another entry hazard like Stealth Rock that is Ice type, Flying types would get wrecked! Kyren, we would definitely need a defensive Delibird evolution, eh?
Meh, it doesn't sound any more threating than Stealth Rock to be honest.
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