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 Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:48 pm
This is a hypothetical, but let's say someone maimed their opponent so bad that they eventually died from bleeding out. Would that count as a DQ or would the fight be stopped by a judge before that could actually happen so the maimed could receive medical attention?
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:54 pm
That's moreso a TKO case and would be stopped. This is a non lethal tournament after all. But at the same time, it will be judged to see whether the person who injured the person to death would be DQ'd. I'm talking hacking wildly at your opponent with no care for safety. If you make someone bleed to death or had that intention to kill beating someone to 1 HP, then it counts against the attacker.
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:54 pm
Lollipop Fiend This is a hypothetical, but let's say someone maimed their opponent so bad that they eventually died from bleeding out. Would that count as a DQ or would the fight be stopped by a judge before that could actually happen so the maimed could receive medical attention? Holy ******** just read that as "married their opponent".
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:56 pm
It really varies. Hacking someone up without going for the kill, the attacker should receive no penalty provided they aren't literally going for the kill in-fight. Reason being, if the person bleeding out doesn't seek medical attention that, in this case, literally comes to your balls the instant the fight is over, they are committing suicide and suicide don't count for DQs.
I call it [Suicide Clause.]
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:47 pm
Would vibrational output manifesting in the form of luck be considered outside interference if the vibrations come from a spectator?
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:53 pm
If someone outside of your match is doing something to affect your match, yes.
If you put in your profile ahead of time that your character is considered "lucky" because of a god or something and it gives you a bonus you have outlined ( like making him better at gambling, or increasing his odds in a chance situation ) then no.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:56 pm
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xD
Welp- guess it's just gona have to be dumb luck then...
Scratch the cool 'behind the veil' post.
Thanks anyways.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:02 pm
Need a judge to look over the last few posts of Vash vs Deitric for my opponent and I, if one of you guys get the chance. We've discussed it on MSN and we understand each other, it's just that we don't agree on a point of contention; which is whether or not Vash can duck beneath the first punch of Deitric's attack and move forward before the second/third/etc comes in. My view is, more or less: Quote: But he's moving into a punch that's being thrown. An arm can be extended/pulled back much quicker than someone can move forward. He ducks under the first punch and comes forward right into the second, and Deitric just continually throws. It's not so much that he's slower, just that he's pretty much going face-first into a constant stream of punches. I don't know how fast you'd have to be swinging to get out 2ish dozen punches in 2-3 seconds, but I imagine it's pretty fast. Because it's not retracting THEN punching. The motions are simultaneous. The punch misses and starts coming back, and as soon as it starts to come back, the other hand is coming forward, so that when Vash moves forward, he's moving right into the next punch, and then it'd just continue from there. At least, as I'm seeing it. Yeah, but I don't see how Vash is moving *faster* than it takes Deitric to move his arm when Deitric has already begun throwing these punches at what amounts to entirely supernatural speeds. A person can swing faster than someone can move their entire body; that's evident in the fact that people can throw nearly 60+ mph punches, and yet people can't run that fast. His view is, more or less: Quote: Any piston movement has a point at which one is fully retracted and the other is fully extended. As the piston that is fully extended begins to retract the other moves forward. Eventually they reach a midpoint. Vash is ducking and moving forward while the pistons are in the fully extended state and fully retracted state. By the time the extended piston would be halfway retracted Vash's body would already have contacted Deitric and his body would be in motion and more than likely interupt the second incoming strike The reason he can do it is cause of his unlocked mind. It goes hand and hand with his water attribute. His water elemental control is a mental process. In his unlocked state the water element can move as fast as he can think it. Therefore he uses his ice to move his body. Still able to see the strike above his head he launches himself forward, again with ice. Its how and why he can move faster. Like said before, Just because he can see it doesnt mean his body can react to the speed. Well, he didnt use his body. He used the ice on his body to move and react for him I just c/p'd directly from our conversation, if needed I can either provide a full log or something. I'll edit the post as needed to include anything Vash needs, or he an just post any extra information himself in the thread. Thanks. EDIT:: Edited to include all pertinent info for both parties.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:35 pm
So to summarize... your argument is:
"Deitric is throwing (alternating) punches nonstop at the guy, which go faster than a person should be able to move."
And his argument is:
"Vash is moving faster than a person should be able to move by using elemental control to push himself around and weave through the punches."
The result if you 'win' is that he gets punched. The result if he 'wins' is that he gets closer to you than arm's length (which is where he already is). The result of a compromise is that he gets closer to you and gets punched at least once.
I don't see a problem if he's doing a head-bob to weave around the punches that are being thrown but if he's trying to duck them entirely each time or they're body blows then it's going to be a much larger movement needed and much less likely that he'd be able to do it against some type of hundred fists thing.
I'm just not seeing what the actual issue is with this.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:43 pm
Vash was hit three times with body shots, each compromising his ice armor somewhat but not enough to inhibit his movements. The first shot that is thrown towards his face Vash ducks under and jets himself forward using his ice. The argument is that Detric is saying he will be able to stop Vash's advance by striking him before he can get close because hes is throwing an onslaught of fists. Im basically saying that Vash is moving in for the shoulder strike under the shadow of that punch to hit detric before he can even begin to retract that arm and lash out with the next. Im not duckin all of the punches, just that particular one in order to get the drop on him.
Edit
I just dont see how the second fist is able to come out before he is able to tackle him. They are both moving at super human speeds. How many fights have we all seen where someone throws a high punch and their opponent ducks under and catches their legs to drop em before their able to retract their fists. Even professional fighters have their issues with this.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:48 pm
Well, in my post I noted that he'd be getting closer, although that might stall out under the punches.
There's no bob/weave, he's moving in to shoulder check Deitric, moving in a straight line through where the punches would supposedly be. There's no dodging or anything after the initial punch he dodged (which I'm not arguing against).
The crux of it is, basically:
He believes that Vash can move forward after dodging one punch to cover the distance and shoulder check Deitric before the second one comes, and I believe that Deitric would more than likely punch him as he comes forward, and continue doing so.
That's basically it. It's just a point where we've agreed to disagree, so we're asking the judges to look it over and make a decision so we can continue forward.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:11 pm
I'll deal with this in an hour, which is when I'm off of work.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:29 pm
I can see him covering the distance quickly... not too quickly to be hit at least one more time if he's trying to just rush straight in for a tackle after dodging the first punch, but quickly enough to avoid taking more than another hit that no doubt he'd be trying to force-of-will through in order to finish tackling Deitric.
That's the thing about tackles. Unless you're able to blow back the person you won't really be able to stop them from getting to you... just make it a really un-likable idea or try to cold-c**k them before they can get it off.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:45 pm
Well, I covered that in my last post of the thread. Deitric is basically using his next punch to "stuff" the tackle by way of shoving Vash backwards when he moves forward, which I think is plausible given that Deitric is 225 and Vash is 150-160 iirc. Big weight difference, there, and no running start to the tackle.
But that's not really the issue (at the moment). The issue is whether or not Deitric can even throw that second punch fast enough to shove Vash back before he shoulder checks Deitric. I think that Deitric can do it for reasons stated above, he thinks Vash would get in too quickly to be hit, for reasons previously stated.
So we're just going to ask the judges to decide one way or the other and go from there.
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Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:52 pm
*raises hand* I've got a question for Vintrict. Within the terms of our OOC agreement that i wouldn't use my ability on stuff my enemy was wearing or holding, can I use my guy's ability on a thrown weapon?
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