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 Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:01 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? It's V.A.G.I.N.A * I think it might be censored so I spelled it out. XP *
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:03 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? It's V.A.G.I.N.A * I think it might be censored so I spelled it out. XP * Huh. Okay, thanks
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:55 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:18 am
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need) Well there's not really any other effective tactic. Throughout history that's been the method that has worked. The only way to get them to go away is to support them really. As for your library, I'd say suck it up and just look past those books, many other people and enjoy them and lots of people go to libraries, not just you. They'll never have my support. I'm gonna hold a grudge against them for this. stare ...yes, I'm not saying people don't go and enjoy libraries. Most people at my school just go read from the magazine rack for entertainment though so... You can't support them because they littered your library with pro-gay media? It would irritate the hell out of me too but if it's helping out some of the kids who for so long have been told that there's something wrong with them, that they aren't good enough than I'm all for it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:33 am
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil. My sister, since we're talking about her: One I have to deal with the what if's at school from my friends and it's the same answer. I'm not that way. If I somehow became that way, I'd sooner choose no love than love with a girl. Not because of my mom, or sister, because of the way I feel. And if you believe in God and the Bible...ect. You'd realize that there would be no way that would happen if God is still God. But if you don't, I'd hope you could see that there is a reason it's straight sex. If it became illegal than it'd be very hard to reproduce. There's a scientific reason it's a guy and a girl. And so that's where my sister is coming from. And no, but I could choose not to get married. Besides, it's doubtful that a society based on homosexuality could easily survive so... rolleyes I wouldn't have to propose it. My sister would do a lot of it to herself if she was in that place. And suggesting that she go against the family and do something she feels is wrong if she was that way is worse. If it were her or me, we'd be going against everything we believe by following those feelings. It would cause more harm then good to cut connections with those we love and with our God just because of sexual preferences.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:37 am
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need) Well there's not really any other effective tactic. Throughout history that's been the method that has worked. The only way to get them to go away is to support them really. As for your library, I'd say suck it up and just look past those books, many other people and enjoy them and lots of people go to libraries, not just you. They'll never have my support. I'm gonna hold a grudge against them for this. stare ...yes, I'm not saying people don't go and enjoy libraries. Most people at my school just go read from the magazine rack for entertainment though so... You can't support them because they littered your library with pro-gay media? It would irritate the hell out of me too but if it's helping out some of the kids who for so long have been told that there's something wrong with them, that they aren't good enough than I'm all for it. I don't think it's the right way to help them. And yeah, if those books are only there to annoy people, then I wouldn't support it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:55 am
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis You can't support them because they littered your library with pro-gay media? It would irritate the hell out of me too but if it's helping out some of the kids who for so long have been told that there's something wrong with them, that they aren't good enough than I'm all for it. I don't think it's the right way to help them. And yeah, if those books are only there to annoy people, then I wouldn't support it. What's the right way?
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need) Well there's not really any other effective tactic. Throughout history that's been the method that has worked. The only way to get them to go away is to support them really. As for your library, I'd say suck it up and just look past those books, many other people and enjoy them and lots of people go to libraries, not just you. They'll never have my support. I'm gonna hold a grudge against them for this. stare ...yes, I'm not saying people don't go and enjoy libraries. Most people at my school just go read from the magazine rack for entertainment though so... You can't support them because they littered your library with pro-gay media? It would irritate the hell out of me too but if it's helping out some of the kids who for so long have been told that there's something wrong with them, that they aren't good enough than I'm all for it. I don't think it's the right way to help them. And yeah, if those books are only there to annoy people, then I wouldn't support it.
and you don't think that's the right way to help them?
Tell me, what is the right way to help them besides trying to tell people homophobia is wrong and homosexuals should be given the right to live equal?
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:03 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil. My sister, since we're talking about her: One I have to deal with the what if's at school from my friends and it's the same answer. I'm not that way. If I somehow became that way, I'd sooner choose no love than love with a girl. Not because of my mom, or sister, because of the way I feel. And if you believe in God and the Bible...ect. You'd realize that there would be no way that would happen if God is still God. But if you don't, I'd hope you could see that there is a reason it's straight sex. If it became illegal than it'd be very hard to reproduce. There's a scientific reason it's a guy and a girl. And so that's where my sister is coming from. And no, but I could choose not to get married. Besides, it's doubtful that a society based on homosexuality could easily survive so... rolleyes I wouldn't have to propose it. My sister would do a lot of it to herself if she was in that place. And suggesting that she go against the family and do something she feels is wrong if she was that way is worse. If it were her or me, we'd be going against everything we believe by following those feelings. It would cause more harm then good to cut connections with those we love and with our God just because of sexual preferences.
It is even happening in nature as we speak.
Why are you so fixed on God hating homosexuals? >.<
NOWHERE, as I have told you before, does it say homosexual is a crime and it is down-right disgraceful for a being to hate another for mental urges. If that were truly God and I knew he existed, if he did, I would not follow him considering I would find him following a blinded path of "light".
Homosexuality would not decrease the chance of survival. If everyone was homosexual, we would still be able to survive. Sex is not the only way to mate.
As the Bible has foretold as have other religions and a special book I read, Keys to the Kingdom, a entity can not tamper with a dimension because it's raw power would start to mess with things and might cause chaos worse than it was before. Why else would God not step in for anything else?
As for the whole illegal thing, I'm sure he would not try to step into political power. A god who does not care for suffering and lost lives upon earth and the illegalization of a healthy plant would probably not want to deal with anything else.
and now we cross the big picture...
WHY do you believe homosexuality is against your god's teachings? We have been over this before and there is no reason for you to believe in it, especially if it is not found within the Bible.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:37 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil. My sister, since we're talking about her: One I have to deal with the what if's at school from my friends and it's the same answer. I'm not that way. If I somehow became that way, I'd sooner choose no love than love with a girl. Not because of my mom, or sister, because of the way I feel. And if you believe in God and the Bible...ect. You'd realize that there would be no way that would happen if God is still God. But if you don't, I'd hope you could see that there is a reason it's straight sex. If it became illegal than it'd be very hard to reproduce. There's a scientific reason it's a guy and a girl. And so that's where my sister is coming from. And no, but I could choose not to get married. Besides, it's doubtful that a society based on homosexuality could easily survive so... rolleyes I wouldn't have to propose it. My sister would do a lot of it to herself if she was in that place. And suggesting that she go against the family and do something she feels is wrong if she was that way is worse. If it were her or me, we'd be going against everything we believe by following those feelings. It would cause more harm then good to cut connections with those we love and with our God just because of sexual preferences.
As far as the plausibility of a society with no heterosexual couples, well, we live in a society where a woman is no longer dependent on a husband for a salary. And gay doesn't mean the same as infertile. I don't need to love a man to have his baby, just his sperm, right? So the need for marriage between a man and a woman for survival is a thing of the past.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:41 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil. My sister, since we're talking about her: One I have to deal with the what if's at school from my friends and it's the same answer. I'm not that way. If I somehow became that way, I'd sooner choose no love than love with a girl. Not because of my mom, or sister, because of the way I feel. And if you believe in God and the Bible...ect. You'd realize that there would be no way that would happen if God is still God. But if you don't, I'd hope you could see that there is a reason it's straight sex. If it became illegal than it'd be very hard to reproduce. There's a scientific reason it's a guy and a girl. And so that's where my sister is coming from. And no, but I could choose not to get married. Besides, it's doubtful that a society based on homosexuality could easily survive so... rolleyes I wouldn't have to propose it. My sister would do a lot of it to herself if she was in that place. And suggesting that she go against the family and do something she feels is wrong if she was that way is worse. If it were her or me, we'd be going against everything we believe by following those feelings. It would cause more harm then good to cut connections with those we love and with our God just because of sexual preferences.
As far as the plausibility of a society with no heterosexual couples, well, we live in a society where a woman is no longer dependent on a husband for a salary. And gay doesn't mean the same as infertile. I don't need to love a man to have his baby, just his sperm, right? So the need for marriage between a man and a woman for survival is a thing of the past.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:44 pm
xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating. Really? They can still pretend? If straight sex were illegal, would you be OK being forced to "pretend" to love another woman? Could you "pretend" to love v****a? It doesn't work that way. What you are proposing is simply evil. Straight forward soul-killing, self-denying evil. My sister, since we're talking about her: One I have to deal with the what if's at school from my friends and it's the same answer. I'm not that way. If I somehow became that way, I'd sooner choose no love than love with a girl. Not because of my mom, or sister, because of the way I feel. And if you believe in God and the Bible...ect. You'd realize that there would be no way that would happen if God is still God. But if you don't, I'd hope you could see that there is a reason it's straight sex. If it became illegal than it'd be very hard to reproduce. There's a scientific reason it's a guy and a girl. And so that's where my sister is coming from. And no, but I could choose not to get married. Besides, it's doubtful that a society based on homosexuality could easily survive so... rolleyes I wouldn't have to propose it. My sister would do a lot of it to herself if she was in that place. And suggesting that she go against the family and do something she feels is wrong if she was that way is worse. If it were her or me, we'd be going against everything we believe by following those feelings. It would cause more harm then good to cut connections with those we love and with our God just because of sexual preferences. No, what I'm talking about is being pressured into going against what you feel- Being forced to like something you don't. If you were told you could only marry or have sex with or love another woman, would you be OK with that, as a straight girl? Would you be able to "pretend"? Being forced to pretend is cruelty. But love goes beyond simple science and biology- It is a spiritual connection. If you are a male on the outside but female inside, why can you not complete yourself with the masculine aspect? If you are a male on the inside and a male on the outside, but need a male to complete you, why would god disagree? Why would he be more concerned with our worldly shells than our eternal selves? I'm not talking about survival. I mean as a hypothetical, moral issue. How would you feel, knowing that you could never love who you wanted due to pressure from others? And that's tragic, that she would feel the need to crush herself, her own soul, in order to gain approval from others. You don't NEED to tell her not to love who she wants to, she already has the picture well and good. In the racist example, you wouldn't NEED to tell your sister not to marry a n*gger, she already knows that they're not the same as you and I. As a disclaimer, I am using this purely as a reference and am in no way making a racist remark.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:41 pm
I'm so late with my posts, probably because I just recently joined xp Anyway, I am totally Pro-Gay, I'm not Gay, nor Bi-Sexual, but I'm straight. I also have a slight case of homophobia, if you call trying to never accidentally touch a guy, but that's kind of a reaction. Actually, same thing with girls, I never try touching anybody, really... my posts are so random and off-topic... anyway, I approve Gay Marriages and Homosexuality 101%, I don't see the point in ostracizing people for their sexual orientation and sexual preferences, I don't see what to gain out of it. Even if you stop someone's marriage, does that make you look better in the eyes of your "God" or deity, for stopping two perfectly fine individuals whom are of the same gender and have the capability of making decisions of their own over something as silly as a religious belief? From what Mr.Atheist, I think his name was Captain Shinzo or something, said, there's no proof that "God" hates homosexuality, so why so homophobic?
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:52 pm
theif519 From what Mr.Atheist, I think his name was Captain Shinzo or something, said, there's no proof that "God" hates homosexuality, so why so homophobic?  XD I feel like I'm a king!
On a serious note, it is true there is no reason to denounce homosexuality religiously and the only other reasons I have heard and that I can't denounce myself is
" I just want to be sure. "
I mean, that is a terrible idea because that means you aren't sure what you believe in or your trying to cover up your homophobia which are both wrong.
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Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:01 pm
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis You can't support them because they littered your library with pro-gay media? It would irritate the hell out of me too but if it's helping out some of the kids who for so long have been told that there's something wrong with them, that they aren't good enough than I'm all for it. I don't think it's the right way to help them. And yeah, if those books are only there to annoy people, then I wouldn't support it. What's the right way? I'm not gonna say, cause I'd get jumped on... *gone into hiding* ninja
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