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 Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:50 am
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? Really? You'd save the one that might turn around and kill you right after? If it were choice between my dog or a stranger I'd probably go with my dog. If it was a random cute little puppy over a known serial killer, I'd probably save the cute little puppy dog. I wonder what the legal implications would be. Yeah. But I'd grab a stick and be prepared to knock them out. Serial killers tend to be less smart and brave then the media gives them credit for anyway. I don't know...but yeah, in almost every case I'd save the human over the animal (even if it was my cat, whom I adore heart ), unless the Lord directed me to act otherwise. I'd just see the animal in Heaven later anyways, and God can take better care of an animal then I ever could. The only case where I would have a lot of trouble doing that is if it was a endangered animal in danger, like a tiger or a panda. It just depends on what sect of Christianity you are talking about and who you talk to within that sect. Some believe animals don't have spirits, while others do.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:09 am
Shadows-shine It just depends on what sect of Christianity you are talking about and who you talk to within that sect. Some believe animals don't have spirits, while others do. And lets not forget the individual component. A person might be a member of sect that deosn't believe animals have souls but he/she himself/herself might (and vice-versa).
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:30 pm
Captain_Shinzo Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
I mean, I never understood being a vegetarian unless you saw those videos about how animals are treated in factories.
Me? I go to a restaurant and get a big slab of steak or something big in meat.
I care for animals but I eat them too. Circle of life.
Sure, All life should be "cherished and worshiped", I just cherish my taste more sometimes. It's not rare for animals to be eaten anyway and it is actually good to lower population problems.
Highschool drop out? Really? I can't really say this is good at all.
Point is, a human's life is more than an animals because it can do more and, frankly, a human can connect with me far more than any animal.
So yeah, do your time and share of helping animals but also think of your own well being and outside that.A human can do more than an animal? Well, that brings forth a whole slew of existential questions- What exactly is more? I've heard it said that pets are useless because all they do is eat, sleep and s**t. Well, what do humans do? Sure, we have jobs and number systems and medicines, but all of that is a roundabout way of prolonging the process of eating, sleeping and shitting. In the end, we are doing the exact same things as these "useless" animals, just doing it in a roundabout way that gives us an illusion of importance. Sure, we use numbers to assign values to our food, we sleep in a bed and s**t in a toilet, but it's all really the same thing, is it not? We are bound by the same biological laws as animals, and our existence is, really, little more important than theirs in terms of function.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:42 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
I mean, I never understood being a vegetarian unless you saw those videos about how animals are treated in factories.
Me? I go to a restaurant and get a big slab of steak or something big in meat.
I care for animals but I eat them too. Circle of life.
Sure, All life should be "cherished and worshiped", I just cherish my taste more sometimes. It's not rare for animals to be eaten anyway and it is actually good to lower population problems.
Highschool drop out? Really? I can't really say this is good at all.
Point is, a human's life is more than an animals because it can do more and, frankly, a human can connect with me far more than any animal.
So yeah, do your time and share of helping animals but also think of your own well being and outside that.A human can do more than an animal? Well, that brings forth a whole slew of existential questions- What exactly is more? I've heard it said that pets are useless because all they do is eat, sleep and s**t. Well, what do humans do? Sure, we have jobs and number systems and medicines, but all of that is a roundabout way of prolonging the process of eating, sleeping and shitting. In the end, we are doing the exact same things as these "useless" animals, just doing it in a roundabout way that gives us an illusion of importance. Sure, we use numbers to assign values to our food, we sleep in a bed and s**t in a toilet, but it's all really the same thing, is it not? We are bound by the same biological laws as animals, and our existence is, really, little more important than theirs in terms of function.
I relate to humans more than animals, that is all it is. Between an animal and a human, I connect more to th human than an animal.
But even if you go with the idea that we are alike with animals, which of course we are, eating other species is part of animal's lives too.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:48 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
I mean, I never understood being a vegetarian unless you saw those videos about how animals are treated in factories.
Me? I go to a restaurant and get a big slab of steak or something big in meat.
I care for animals but I eat them too. Circle of life.
Sure, All life should be "cherished and worshiped", I just cherish my taste more sometimes. It's not rare for animals to be eaten anyway and it is actually good to lower population problems.
Highschool drop out? Really? I can't really say this is good at all.
Point is, a human's life is more than an animals because it can do more and, frankly, a human can connect with me far more than any animal.
So yeah, do your time and share of helping animals but also think of your own well being and outside that.A human can do more than an animal? Well, that brings forth a whole slew of existential questions- What exactly is more? I've heard it said that pets are useless because all they do is eat, sleep and s**t. Well, what do humans do? Sure, we have jobs and number systems and medicines, but all of that is a roundabout way of prolonging the process of eating, sleeping and shitting. In the end, we are doing the exact same things as these "useless" animals, just doing it in a roundabout way that gives us an illusion of importance. Sure, we use numbers to assign values to our food, we sleep in a bed and s**t in a toilet, but it's all really the same thing, is it not? We are bound by the same biological laws as animals, and our existence is, really, little more important than theirs in terms of function. I'd like to see an animal get into an existential debate, or discuss morals, or shoot a leader that rapes babies to death (like lions do), or punish a mother that eats her offspring (like hamsters do). I'd like to see an animal develop healthcare benefits or irrigation. Advanced law and the concept of morality. But yeah. Those things don't set us apart at all. We're just dumb animals with no more worth than a warble. See below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2c^Warbles^
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:15 pm
Beorc Kano divineseraph Captain_Shinzo Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
I mean, I never understood being a vegetarian unless you saw those videos about how animals are treated in factories.
Me? I go to a restaurant and get a big slab of steak or something big in meat.
I care for animals but I eat them too. Circle of life.
Sure, All life should be "cherished and worshiped", I just cherish my taste more sometimes. It's not rare for animals to be eaten anyway and it is actually good to lower population problems.
Highschool drop out? Really? I can't really say this is good at all.
Point is, a human's life is more than an animals because it can do more and, frankly, a human can connect with me far more than any animal.
So yeah, do your time and share of helping animals but also think of your own well being and outside that.A human can do more than an animal? Well, that brings forth a whole slew of existential questions- What exactly is more? I've heard it said that pets are useless because all they do is eat, sleep and s**t. Well, what do humans do? Sure, we have jobs and number systems and medicines, but all of that is a roundabout way of prolonging the process of eating, sleeping and shitting. In the end, we are doing the exact same things as these "useless" animals, just doing it in a roundabout way that gives us an illusion of importance. Sure, we use numbers to assign values to our food, we sleep in a bed and s**t in a toilet, but it's all really the same thing, is it not? We are bound by the same biological laws as animals, and our existence is, really, little more important than theirs in terms of function. I'd like to see an animal get into an existential debate, or discuss morals, or shoot a leader that rapes babies to death (like lions do), or punish a mother that eats her offspring (like hamsters do). I'd like to see an animal develop healthcare benefits or irrigation. Advanced law and the concept of morality. But yeah. Those things don't set us apart at all. We're just dumb animals with no more worth than a warble. See below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2c^Warbles^ But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:31 pm
divineseraph Beorc Kano I'd like to see an animal get into an existential debate, or discuss morals, or shoot a leader that rapes babies to death (like lions do), or punish a mother that eats her offspring (like hamsters do). I'd like to see an animal develop healthcare benefits or irrigation. Advanced law and the concept of morality. But yeah. Those things don't set us apart at all. We're just dumb animals with no more worth than a warble. See below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2c^Warbles^ But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated. I disagree. Morality has to do with the preservation of something beyond the physical. Either the preservation of what is actually good and right, or the preservation of the immortal soul. That is hardly a function of the physical.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:44 pm
divineseraph But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated. ^^ This. The thought that humans are somehow better than non-human animals just because we have time to ponder things and can use more complicated tools is laughable. Humans are here for the same purpose as non-human animals, to continue their genetic heritage, in short to breed. Humans are one of the least adapted animals on this planet, because they've stopped trying, and instead adapt the environment to themselves. Morality, and the immortal soul are just ways to keep human-kind sane, and well behaved. Every society has a code of conduct, including non-human animal societies. Cats for instance have a very interesting social structure and specific interactions within that structure, which if not followed lead to the miscreant being punished by the higher-ups. Also lions do not rape babies to death. They kill the sub-adult offspring of the lion whom they usurped, if a sub-adult female submits to the new male he makes the choice to see her as a new wife, or a child. If it's the latter he kills her. The same thing happens with domestic cats. As for the saving a human vs. saving an animal. It's the animal every time. Not only do I prefer the company of animals to humans with superiority complexes, but I will defend my animal companions with my own life if need be. They're more my children than pets.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:47 pm
DaikonNairu -Ren- Shadows-shine It just depends on what sect of Christianity you are talking about and who you talk to within that sect. Some believe animals don't have spirits, while others do. And lets not forget the individual component. A person might be a member of sect that deosn't believe animals have souls but he/she himself/herself might (and vice-versa). True.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:07 pm
Catharia divineseraph But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated. ^^ This. The thought that humans are somehow better than non-human animals just because we have time to ponder things and can use more complicated tools is laughable. Humans are here for the same purpose as non-human animals, to continue their genetic heritage, in short to breed. Humans are one of the least adapted animals on this planet, because they've stopped trying, and instead adapt the environment to themselves. Morality, and the immortal soul are just ways to keep human-kind sane, and well behaved. Every society has a code of conduct, including non-human animal societies. Cats for instance have a very interesting social structure and specific interactions within that structure, which if not followed lead to the miscreant being punished by the higher-ups. Also lions do not rape babies to death. They kill the sub-adult offspring of the lion whom they usurped, if a sub-adult female submits to the new male he makes the choice to see her as a new wife, or a child. If it's the latter he kills her. The same thing happens with domestic cats. As for the saving a human vs. saving an animal. It's the animal every time. Not only do I prefer the company of animals to humans with superiority complexes, but I will defend my animal companions with my own life if need be. They're more my children than pets. I'll keep that in mind if I ever see you laying hurt in front of a speeding train. I'll gently cup that housefly in my hands and carry it away from being potentially smashed by the train, then make sure that there are no abused animals in the world before coming back to help you, in accordance to your personal philosophy.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:15 pm
xxEternallyBluexx I don't think either should get a choice unless there's a health reason. I'm pro-life, and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it. And on a personal note, my dad has gotten out of paying child support until very recently, and I always felt that was unfair towards my mom, so I'm rather disgusted by the idea of a man getting to choose not to take care of his child. razz How'd he do that?
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:23 pm
SuchSweetSadism xxEternallyBluexx I don't think either should get a choice unless there's a health reason. I'm pro-life, and I think if they brought the kid into the world they have to be responsible for it. And on a personal note, my dad has gotten out of paying child support until very recently, and I always felt that was unfair towards my mom, so I'm rather disgusted by the idea of a man getting to choose not to take care of his child. razz How'd he do that? I'm not quite sure....I just know that my mom fought with my dad through the courts a lot for child support because the first time it was all drawn out it was written up in such a way so that he could get out of it. I think he just with held, though I don't know why he was able to get away with it. XP
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:27 pm
Beorc Kano divineseraph Beorc Kano I'd like to see an animal get into an existential debate, or discuss morals, or shoot a leader that rapes babies to death (like lions do), or punish a mother that eats her offspring (like hamsters do). I'd like to see an animal develop healthcare benefits or irrigation. Advanced law and the concept of morality. But yeah. Those things don't set us apart at all. We're just dumb animals with no more worth than a warble. See below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2c^Warbles^ But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated. I disagree. Morality has to do with the preservation of something beyond the physical. Either the preservation of what is actually good and right, or the preservation of the immortal soul. That is hardly a function of the physical. I agree with the immortal soul aspect. However, functionally, in the world we live in now, we do nothing more than animals and are therefore no better. Should we save ourselves before animals? Yes. But not because animals are useless or worthless- We shouldn't allow animals to be harmed for little reason either. However, the argument that a human "does more" is wrong for the reason that really, no, we don't. We do the same thing in a different way.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:02 pm
divineseraph Beorc Kano divineseraph Beorc Kano I'd like to see an animal get into an existential debate, or discuss morals, or shoot a leader that rapes babies to death (like lions do), or punish a mother that eats her offspring (like hamsters do). I'd like to see an animal develop healthcare benefits or irrigation. Advanced law and the concept of morality. But yeah. Those things don't set us apart at all. We're just dumb animals with no more worth than a warble. See below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2c^Warbles^ But why do we do those things? So more of us can continue to eat and sleep and s**t. We have more security in our ways of doing things, that's true- We consider how we do things, that is true. But being a human being does not mean, necessarily, that we inherently have more value for "what we do". It's really the same thing, just more complicated. I disagree. Morality has to do with the preservation of something beyond the physical. Either the preservation of what is actually good and right, or the preservation of the immortal soul. That is hardly a function of the physical. I agree with the immortal soul aspect. However, functionally, in the world we live in now, we do nothing more than animals and are therefore no better. Should we save ourselves before animals? Yes. But not because animals are useless or worthless- We shouldn't allow animals to be harmed for little reason either. However, the argument that a human "does more" is wrong for the reason that really, no, we don't. We do the same thing in a different way. I personally feel that the 'different way' in which we do things is what sets us apart and makes us greater. I don't feel that animals are useless or worthless either, however, I do feel that a human has MORE worth than an animal... for the most part. There are ALWAYS exceptions to the rule. At this point now, though, I think this would tend to devolve into quibbling over semantics. I respect your opinion, even if I disagree on many aspect.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:04 pm
This thread is SO off topic, its hilarious.
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