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Wow, thank you so much! Associated the elements with the color wheel makes so much sense! It really clarifies what I was wondering about this whole time.

Other than helping me find my element, I am happy to say that you have helped me else where. Making the little wheel helps me with a little conflict I've been having with a comic I've been writting and how I should organize the elements of the world. Thanks a lot. By the way, what element do you follow?

Now that gets complicated... If i am an element, It would be Spirt... But im able to use the energies that everything is made of... Light and Shadow...

Weither you know it or not (or chose to believe it) you use both energies to 'power your core element' to cast spells, ect...

Light does not mean excatly 'Good' and Shadow 'Evil' but when each energy is appiled, a diffrent result is given... Example:

Shadow + Water = Posion
Light + Water = Healing Water

Thats just two of an infinite examples...

I have the ability to use those energies without useing the cores... But, i hate doing it...
If you are a wiccan, u more than likely believe the 'rule of three'... Nuff said... heh...

Okay...now this is starting to sound like a matter of perspective but how does Wicca view these "other" elements?

Alright, I'll list some things that have been considered elements in stories, myths of different cultures, and others things like that. We'll pick and choose what falls in its place and what would be propperly labled an element. Also, what is your meaning of "element"? the basic of the world around you? In Chemistry, elements are the basic types of matter in the world where as Paganism seems to view elements as the basic forces of nature.

So we have these to deal with and decipher whether they are elements or not. If someone feels otherwise do not hesitate to voice your opinion. Also, who thinks this should be a thread of its own? Like involving a poll?

Fire
Air
Water
Earth

now here come the controvercial ones

ice
clouds
lightning
spirit
sun
sound
steel
moon
wood
waves
squares

yes I know some of these sound outrageous and strange, but this is what I've pulled from many different ancient cultures. Infact, many such as the egyptians worshipped the sun, wiccans hold the moon as a symbol, lighting waves clouds and squares are all ancient arab elemtents, steel wood and sound are part of the oriental seals and spells, and spirit is a force that is mentioned threw out almost all cultures and religions. Its pretty much undenying that some of these should be considered and others thrown out whereas I feel others deserve a spot outside of the elemtent circle but still part of it. I'll voice my choices after a few others have.

If I may include my outlook on the elements, specifically the four basics, I would like to ask if it is possible for these elements to simply describe base, primitive actions of effects that can be made, such as to apply both in material and spiritual senses-

Earth- Feminine by nature, implies the most straightforward, stable of elements. Earth could simply be seen as the tendency for things to remain as they are, or to only change by a slow and gradual pace. It could be compared to the patience a person seeks in achieving growth of any kind, and is thus resembles female fertility and soil as it is in the material world. It is often unnoticed, but vital, as we would have no place to rest our feet without it. Alternatively, it could mean protection, or possibly even hindrance, like a vast canyon that stands between a traveller and their destination.

Air- Masculine by nature, it may come to mean swift and powerful change, whether good or bad. As the air and sky materially, it can be both helpful and harmful, like a cooling breeze or a gale-force wind. Spiritually, it represents the sudden and the unexpected. It is necessary for existence as nothing could have space or room to move without air to be pushed through.

Fire- Masculine by nature, it is the conversion of one thing to another. Equally possible as beginning slow, it is quick to accelerate, with air as a catalyst. Materially, it represents the change of matter from one thing or another, in such a way as to either change cold weather into warmth by a campfire, or burning crops and making what took so long to create suddenly useless. Spiritually, it is the quick transformation from one thing to the other, but, just like air and such masculine symbols, depends on already existing conditions to exist before it can, as it is the variable to the world's constant.

Water- Feminine by nature, it is the the attraction or repellence of forces to achieve neutrality. Water seeks its own level via gravity, and will always come to a still point once change has occured. Materially, it is the nurturing and sustainence of all earthly life, the necessary element for life to thrive upon. And, much like its nature to neutralize, the proper amount of water can choke a roaring flame and silence what was once sudden and erratic. Spiritually, it is to put an end to something. Like earth in feminine qualities, it is the constant of the world, and, while it cannot be destroyed, it will always be changing and shaping itself as long as masculine energies exist with it.

Spirit- The Will that demands that all the elements act as they do and abide by natural law. It is the intent both for things to do as they do and remain how they are. It is the Void, both Everything and Nothing, yet is neither of the two at all. It is a paradox, and is undefineable as it is infinite. In human level, it is the understanding of what forces are and act upon the world, and how to use them to both advantage and disadvantage...

Well, that's my look into things. Though it is not necessarily based on fact, I believe it complies with what little I know of alchemical theory, and it makes sense to me. ^^;

I sturred such an enlightening subject on to you people. Interesting...

yes, I also stand by that there are minors that are combinations of majors but that just means they are forces of nature, not elements. Elements, in all sense, is the basic force of nature where (as stated before) cannot be broken down any further. Just to identify these combinations, lets list a few and how they are created. I feel we should make a decent chart of these combinations since its not an infinite numbers seeing as we only have four elements to work with. Its understood that we have spirit as a fifth element but it cannot combine with anything. It is the catalyst the brings these forces together, so in a sense, its always in the combinations. But with four to use, you only have 6 combinations AND even if you do involve more than one element in a combination you still have only 9 combinations...unless there are recipies that people would like to point out with using these ingredients in a certain order under certain conditions...then...we would have about maybe 10 more different combinations and results. Now I know its a lot of sub-elements, but its also not infinite. So...let's start with what we've got to work with so far.

Fire, Water, Earth, Air. Spirit being the will of us to bring them together or to invoke their power.

Fire+Water= Smoke/steam
Fire+Earth= Molten Lava/Metal or Shadow
Fire+Air= ((okay, I just noticed that same sex elements don't seem to produce anything X_x makes sense too ))

Water+Air= Tempests/Clouds
Earth+Air= I guess if you count gravity as the Earth and hydrogen gases as Air...the Sun?
Water+Air+Fire+Earth= Life or Wood

now also lack of

Water-Fire(heat)= Ice
Fire-Air= Zero

Wow, this is harder than I thought...would anyone like to interject? sweatdrop Also, who thinks this should be a thread of its own?

But the four main elements are water, earth, fire and air, as they are prominent in magickal studies, other things derive from these four, as they compose the pentagram, in addition to spirit (which is you).

yeah I view the pentagram as the 5 things from which all things are made and the center is the womb from which all things are born. But to continue with the list....

Fire + air = lightning
Fire + water = stream or fog
Fire + earth = metals/lava
Fire + fire = fire

Air + earth = dust devils/sand storms/ maybe even tornados
Air + water = rain/clouds
Air + air = air

Water + earth = ice
Water + water = water

Earth + earth = earth

Then there are three way combinations

Earth + air + water = gizers (sp?)
Earth + air + fire = volcanic eruption

Air + fire + water = Hurricane

Then 4 way combinations

Earth + air + fire + water = wood