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 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:05 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.It's not anything the same considering the nature of the Bible and the nature of the Lord of the Rings. LotR was clearly written as a fantasy whereas the Bible from the start was written to record the Jewish history. It has genealogies (sp?) and was considered sacred, not just some fantastic book. I'm not saying the evidence is enough that skeptics can't deny it, but as the Holocaust deniers prove, people can take skepticism too far. I'm not saying it compares either, but that doesn't mean I've seen any real good reason to deny that Jesus existed except to be difficult. And I never said I didn't believe there weren't Islamic miracles, but I from what I can recall, Muhammed didn't perform any, and I think evil spirits did those miracles to lead people away from Christ.
I can't believe in Jesus because all the evidence there is is a book written a long time ago. That isn't enough for me at all.
Muhammad did perform a few good miracles such as the girl who cried sharp crystals. Point being, I was implying that a belief can't be pushed by miracles. I still think the comparison is off. I don't see why not, but fine. Besides, it's not the only evidence. There's also testimonies of really incredible things, like this true story I'm reading right now about a man who died for ten minutes. It'd take me too long to summarize what I got from that book, but it really cements my faith. There's so many experiences like that though, it's hard to believe it could be something like a mass of delusions and lies. Again, I don't see why not. Something has to explain the unexplainable.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:26 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.It's not anything the same considering the nature of the Bible and the nature of the Lord of the Rings. LotR was clearly written as a fantasy whereas the Bible from the start was written to record the Jewish history. It has genealogies (sp?) and was considered sacred, not just some fantastic book. I'm not saying the evidence is enough that skeptics can't deny it, but as the Holocaust deniers prove, people can take skepticism too far. I'm not saying it compares either, but that doesn't mean I've seen any real good reason to deny that Jesus existed except to be difficult. And I never said I didn't believe there weren't Islamic miracles, but I from what I can recall, Muhammed didn't perform any, and I think evil spirits did those miracles to lead people away from Christ.
I can't believe in Jesus because all the evidence there is is a book written a long time ago. That isn't enough for me at all.
Muhammad did perform a few good miracles such as the girl who cried sharp crystals. Point being, I was implying that a belief can't be pushed by miracles. I still think the comparison is off. I don't see why not, but fine. Besides, it's not the only evidence. There's also testimonies of really incredible things, like this true story I'm reading right now about a man who died for ten minutes. It'd take me too long to summarize what I got from that book, but it really cements my faith. There's so many experiences like that though, it's hard to believe it could be something like a mass of delusions and lies. Again, I don't see why not. Something has to explain the unexplainable.
Your describing Genosis and usually those are just hog-wash experiences invented by the mind or some imagined bs. There are tons of books like that and from different religions. One book stated everyone up there was animals yet another describes everyone up their could do anything, even try to kill one another. Each book has a different experience with each conflicting ideas.
Reason why I like science. It makes sense of the unexplainable so it isn't so unexplainable anymore. Atleast it is better than saying "God did it". I remember when Science explained how someone survived falling off a 50 foot building. Made more sense than saying God was with him.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:27 pm
ChildoftheMoon90 I've never read it, so I dunno. *face/palm*
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:34 pm
XcoldhandsX ChildoftheMoon90 I've never read it, so I dunno. *face/palm*
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:50 am
Captain_Shinzo XcoldhandsX ChildoftheMoon90 I've never read it, so I dunno. *face/palm*
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:28 pm
Shiori Miko In Medias Res IV Nanara13 You said there is not evidence. But isn't the bible some form of evidence??? No. The Bible is not evidence for Jesus' existence. Is Homer's Iliad and Odyssey evidence for Zeus and Helen of Troy? All hail the Pimp God.
Zeus was not a pimp! He was a player.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:37 pm
Aakosir Captain_Shinzo XcoldhandsX ChildoftheMoon90 I've never read it, so I dunno. *face/palm*
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:38 pm
brainnsoup Shiori Miko In Medias Res IV Nanara13 You said there is not evidence. But isn't the bible some form of evidence??? No. The Bible is not evidence for Jesus' existence. Is Homer's Iliad and Odyssey evidence for Zeus and Helen of Troy? All hail the Pimp God.
Zeus was not a pimp! He was a player.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:20 pm
Anyone who thinks that the Holocaust never happened should totally take a look into tinfoil hats and bigfoot.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 5:28 pm
Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.Actually, very few Jews believe in even the historical, human Jesus. Only a small perecentage.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:06 pm
Can we plz get back on topic, this is talking about holicaust denial, not jesus denial. Every one here is shouting about how horrible it is that people dont believe in the holicaust, but have anyone of you even bothered to consider why some people dont believe in the holicaust. Its not because their insane, or radicals. Its because thats how they were raised. Some people who were raised to believe Jesus was g-ds son, will argue on their life that Jesus is g-d's son. Its just how they were raised, so instead of screamin your heads off about it, educate them. Show them evidence. But be patiant, this is the truth they know, so its gonna take a while to change their mind, if your able to change it at all.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:39 pm
Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Shiori Miko In Medias Res IV Nanara13 You said there is not evidence. But isn't the bible some form of evidence??? No. The Bible is not evidence for Jesus' existence. Is Homer's Iliad and Odyssey evidence for Zeus and Helen of Troy? All hail the Pimp God.
Zeus was not a pimp! He was a player.
Also, I thought Thor was the famous god with the Hammer.
@Sashaajnin: These people know the facts. They choose not to believe them. It's not a matter of patiently explaining things. These people will probably never admit that it happened.
And they probably were told this since childhood. They probably were brainwashed. But does that make the situation any less bad?
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:47 pm
Sashaajnin Can we plz get back on topic, this is talking about holicaust denial, not jesus denial. Every one here is shouting about how horrible it is that people dont believe in the holicaust, but have anyone of you even bothered to consider why some people dont believe in the holicaust. Its not because their insane, or radicals. Its because thats how they were raised. Some people who were raised to believe Jesus was g-ds son, will argue on their life that Jesus is g-d's son. Its just how they were raised, so instead of screamin your heads off about it, educate them. Show them evidence. But be patiant, this is the truth they know, so its gonna take a while to change their mind, if your able to change it at all.
EDIT:
Currently, I'm trying to educate a Nazi to understand everyone is equal but it seems to stand that only whites are equal and everyone else is lazy or just stupid and steals things. You can't just educate everyone, this isn't the perfect world.
Let's also not forget this is the DEBATE guild, so of course we are trying to "educate" people. Whether they want to listen and take into consideration is their problem and, in all honesty, most in the guild will reject objecting views for personal or mental gain.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:48 pm
brainnsoup Captain_Shinzo brainnsoup Shiori Miko In Medias Res IV Nanara13 You said there is not evidence. But isn't the bible some form of evidence??? No. The Bible is not evidence for Jesus' existence. Is Homer's Iliad and Odyssey evidence for Zeus and Helen of Troy? All hail the Pimp God.
Zeus was not a pimp! He was a player.
Also, I thought Thor was the famous god with the Hammer.
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:31 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.It's not anything the same considering the nature of the Bible and the nature of the Lord of the Rings. LotR was clearly written as a fantasy whereas the Bible from the start was written to record the Jewish history. It has genealogies (sp?) and was considered sacred, not just some fantastic book. I'm not saying the evidence is enough that skeptics can't deny it, but as the Holocaust deniers prove, people can take skepticism too far. I'm not saying it compares either, but that doesn't mean I've seen any real good reason to deny that Jesus existed except to be difficult. And I never said I didn't believe there weren't Islamic miracles, but I from what I can recall, Muhammed didn't perform any, and I think evil spirits did those miracles to lead people away from Christ.
I can't believe in Jesus because all the evidence there is is a book written a long time ago. That isn't enough for me at all.
Muhammad did perform a few good miracles such as the girl who cried sharp crystals. Point being, I was implying that a belief can't be pushed by miracles. I still think the comparison is off. I don't see why not, but fine. Besides, it's not the only evidence. There's also testimonies of really incredible things, like this true story I'm reading right now about a man who died for ten minutes. It'd take me too long to summarize what I got from that book, but it really cements my faith. There's so many experiences like that though, it's hard to believe it could be something like a mass of delusions and lies. Again, I don't see why not. Something has to explain the unexplainable.
Your describing Genosis and usually those are just hog-wash experiences invented by the mind or some imagined bs. There are tons of books like that and from different religions. One book stated everyone up there was animals yet another describes everyone up their could do anything, even try to kill one another. Each book has a different experience with each conflicting ideas.
Reason why I like science. It makes sense of the unexplainable so it isn't so unexplainable anymore. Atleast it is better than saying "God did it". I remember when Science explained how someone survived falling off a 50 foot building. Made more sense than saying God was with him.Hnnn... That's simplyfying it too much. There is truth, and it is knowable, and based on the fact that there's thousands, if not millions of stories of Christians turning around, based on the fact that the people who have died and come back see Jesus and say their experiences are more real then those earth, I don't see a good reason to be skeptical of the Bible. Except science doesn't have all the answers, science and faith can work together, and even science admits there's things it can't explain or that it's wrong about. How often have we heard they're wrong about something or other? Science has it's place, but it's not to be in place of religion. And I love the facepalm. lol
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