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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:39 am


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I'm sorry he was a cool charecter. but he was not that important to this plot.


He wasn't needed, but it was cool seeing him again. He kinda gave a cool twist to the "OMG111 I WANNA BE BATMAN11!" mini-plot.



I just dislike how BB and TDK made Scarecrow seem like a p***y side villain. Instead of making him a powerful foe (who could easily ******** with people's minds via his psychological powers; pre-fear toxin, mind you)... it just seemed like he was dumbed down and made the mob's b***h.


yah that did suck. thow i like how he eventualy made the mob boss go crazy. I was expecting him to be a more major charecter in the second one, until the previews started showing up. But maybe he will make another comeback in a 3rd movie, if we ever get it.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:40 am


So, after seeing the movie four times, here's where I stand on the potential of a third movie.

All of this is me going off of the ending
SPOILERS!:
1. The mob is gone! This could lead to a power struggle that could lead to the introduction to The Penguin, or possibly The Ventriloquist (One of my favorite characters in Batman). Two-Face could also dodge death and reveal himself as a new crime lord as he is known to be in the comics
2. Rachel is dead, thus there is no more present love interest. I would love to see Catwoman enter the scene and give Bruce a bit of a conflicted outlook on things. If not Catwoman, perhaps Ras Al Guels daughter should be brought in.


"Aaron Eckhart would reprise his role from The Dark Knight - because working with Christian Bale is "phenomenal".

Eckhart, who plays District Attorney Harvey Dent in the sequel, confesses he "absolutely" would star in a third Batman film.

He tells WENN, "To work with Christian (Bale) all over again, and the cast, would be phenomenal. I think this movie is a movie of a lifetime."

There is also that, so perhaps Aaron knows something that we all don't in regards to his character.

Drinky McIrish
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Darth Kaiba

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:56 am


The dummy?

You mean Scarface? Why him? Sure he can control the mob but come on. D:

Lame sauce.

Go for Hugo Strange. He's actually the next villain and that way you can incorporate Arkahm and find out Joker's past.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:05 pm


l -Xera- l The Dark
The dummy?

You mean Scarface? Why him? Sure he can control the mob but come on. D:

Lame sauce.

Go for Hugo Strange. He's actually the next villain and that way you can incorporate Arkahm and find out Joker's past.
Scarface is a pretty neat psychological statement. So far I've loved the Mob's presence in the movies, and The Ventriloquist could really take it to a new level.

Also, The Joker doesn't have a past.

"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

He said that in The Killing Joke. Either way though, he has not had a solid origins story, and frankly does not need one. Hugo Strange is a not a good villain, if nothing else, the movies need to stick to the real Rogues Gallery.

Drinky McIrish
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Darth Kaiba

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:09 pm


It depends really, he can't really fight. All he really wants to be is a real human anyways.

The mob need a leader, however Two-Face and Scarface could have some kind of mob war though. I've known in the Animated Series that Two-Face has had a mob and never liked Scarface.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:26 pm


Drinky McIrish
l -Xera- l The Dark
The dummy?

You mean Scarface? Why him? Sure he can control the mob but come on. D:

Lame sauce.

Go for Hugo Strange. He's actually the next villain and that way you can incorporate Arkahm and find out Joker's past.
Scarface is a pretty neat psychological statement. So far I've loved the Mob's presence in the movies, and The Ventriloquist could really take it to a new level.

Also, The Joker doesn't have a past.

"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

He said that in The Killing Joke. Either way though, he has not had a solid origins story, and frankly does not need one. Hugo Strange is a not a good villain, if nothing else, the movies need to stick to the real Rogues Gallery.
The mob involvement is perfect. They've never been the central role, but it dictates constant the crime that Batman must fight. It also gives reasons for some characters, like the Joker, to show up trying to kill Batman id they're hired by the mob.

As for Two-Face, it is assumed that he died, but that could be rewritten if needed...

Now for a new discussion: If they make it, what villain(s) would you like to see or expect to see in the next Batman movie?

I personally want to see Clayface, as CG capabilities make it very possible. I would expect to see Catwoman, as she is important to the Batman universe.

For speculation purposes...If the Joker should/needs to return: Johnny Depp. ACCEPT TO SUBSTITUTES. I can't think of any other actor who could come close to Ledger's performance. Depp would be able to revive all the aspects of the Joker that Heath was amazing at, and if plenty dark enough to work the role.

The perfect Riddler (and I am serious) would be Jim Carey. He was crazy and funny enough the first time around, and his dabbling in darker roles would make him a good choice.

Mr Jawes
Crew


Darth Kaiba

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:36 pm


Clayface?

Seriously?

Well if anyone has seen the Animated Series "The Batman" the clayface they protrayed is much better than old one. The old one was bleh. However Joker was the one who created Clayface.

I would like to see Mr. Freeze but no Anolnd. D: He was so baddd.

That guy from the Green Mile (The Big dude) could be a perfect Mr. Freeze. Or someone who is pretty big however have that look of him.

Also Depp as the Joker is stretch. Sure he was good in Sweeny Todd but he isn't "Super Duper Evil".
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:54 pm


l -Xera- l The Dark
Clayface?

Seriously?

Well if anyone has seen the Animated Series "The Batman" the clayface they protrayed is much better than old one. The old one was bleh. However Joker was the one who created Clayface.

I would like to see Mr. Freeze but no Anolnd. D: He was so baddd.

That guy from the Green Mile (The Big dude) could be a perfect Mr. Freeze. Or someone who is pretty big however have that look of him.

Also Depp as the Joker is stretch. Sure he was good in Sweeny Todd but he isn't "Super Duper Evil".
Well since Heath died, having someone who can simply do dark can be good enough. After all, the Joker was captured, so he could only have to appear a few times. We've already had movie where the Joker got to use Gotham as a playground. As for Mr. Depp, he doesn't have to be evil so much as psychotic and chaos-loving. Not to mention that Johnny Depp WOULD pull of the mannerisms just as well as Heath Ledger..

For Mr. Freeze, don't blame Arnold. He got a shitty script to begin with. He would have been perfect had they included giant "POW!" screens during ever fight (as in going over the top and making it a funny movie with homage to the Adam West). You're right about *looks on imdb* Michael Clark Duncan
as Mr. Freeze, or as a good choice to be in the movie to being with. Even as a mediocre actor, he's got a distinct body structure and would bring a lot to the role. Also, Mr. Freeze isn't evil, and MCD has that teddy bear appeal when he's happy, which could shine through the darkness to show that he intends good or is only trying to help his wife.

Mr Jawes
Crew


Darth Kaiba

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:01 pm


I don't mind if Joker is going to jump in and out of the movie. The problem is I don't want Depp to have that kind of pressure on him because Ledger died. It'd kind of unfair for Depp and even Ledger to follow on his foot steps.

Well yea Batman and Robin was s**t. However he could pull it off. Frezee doesn't talk a lot and when he does he always mentions his wife most of the time. Plus it was a freak accident that caused him to be Frezee of course Wayne blamed himself for probably going with the project (I don't remember how the story goes).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B7FlajcFEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VfVTWGwLFo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEgTcullKJI <-- Clayface.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:16 pm


l -Xera- l The Dark
It depends really, he can't really fight. All he really wants to be is a real human anyways.

The mob need a leader, however Two-Face and Scarface could have some kind of mob war though. I've known in the Animated Series that Two-Face has had a mob and never liked Scarface.
Scarface can't really fight, but he is a fierce mind and if they play up Albert Weskers past a little, they could show why he has such a loyal following (Wesker being part of an old time gotham mob family). I think a mob war between two factions like Two-Face and Scarface would make for a good movie.

Priest_of_Syrinx
The mob involvement is perfect. They've never been the central role, but it dictates constant the crime that Batman must fight. It also gives reasons for some characters, like the Joker, to show up trying to kill Batman id they're hired by the mob.

As for Two-Face, it is assumed that he died, but that could be rewritten if needed...

Now for a new discussion: If they make it, what villain(s) would you like to see or expect to see in the next Batman movie?

I personally want to see Clayface, as CG capabilities make it very possible. I would expect to see Catwoman, as she is important to the Batman universe.

For speculation purposes...If the Joker should/needs to return: Johnny Depp. ACCEPT TO SUBSTITUTES. I can't think of any other actor who could come close to Ledger's performance. Depp would be able to revive all the aspects of the Joker that Heath was amazing at, and if plenty dark enough to work the role.

The perfect Riddler (and I am serious) would be Jim Carey. He was crazy and funny enough the first time around, and his dabbling in darker roles would make him a good choice.
No, Clayface would not fit into the world that Nolan has crafted. Yes they could pull it off but it would offset the realism that they've been trying to maintain with Begins and Dark Knight. Catwoman would be far more appropriate, so I agree with you there.

I do not want to see Depp as Joker, in fact, out of respect for Heath, they shouldn't even think about recasting it. Ledger should not be replaced. Yes, it means that they'll have to discontinue his character in this vein of the movies, but no one could come close.

Riddler would be cool, but again I disagree with the casting choice. Carey is a good actor, and I'm sure he could play a darker Riddler, but Nolan has done a wonderful job setting these movies apart from the previous films, putting Carey in the role would I think jeopardize all of that.

Many people doubted the decision to cast Ledger as the Joker, and by far his performance is not only the truest to the character that has been portrayed so far, but his performance is arguably the best this year so far.

Cast Choices in my mind for future characters.

Penguin: Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Catwoman: Charlize Theron
The Ventriloquist: John Hurt (With Daniel Day-Lewis doing the voice for Scarface)
The Riddler: Edward Norton (Yeah, he's Bruce Banner, but he'd make for a great Nigma too).

They should at all costs avoid Clayface (as cool of a villain as he is, I don't think he'd work in the movies), and recasting Joker.

Drinky McIrish
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Drinky McIrish
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:21 pm


Duncan could do the voice of Freeze pretty well, but Freeze isn't a big man (Nor is he black). Perhaps Clive Owen.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:50 pm


Drinky McIrish
l -Xera- l The Dark
It depends really, he can't really fight. All he really wants to be is a real human anyways.

The mob need a leader, however Two-Face and Scarface could have some kind of mob war though. I've known in the Animated Series that Two-Face has had a mob and never liked Scarface.
Scarface can't really fight, but he is a fierce mind and if they play up Albert Weskers past a little, they could show why he has such a loyal following (Wesker being part of an old time gotham mob family). I think a mob war between two factions like Two-Face and Scarface would make for a good movie.

Priest_of_Syrinx
The mob involvement is perfect. They've never been the central role, but it dictates constant the crime that Batman must fight. It also gives reasons for some characters, like the Joker, to show up trying to kill Batman id they're hired by the mob.

As for Two-Face, it is assumed that he died, but that could be rewritten if needed...

Now for a new discussion: If they make it, what villain(s) would you like to see or expect to see in the next Batman movie?

I personally want to see Clayface, as CG capabilities make it very possible. I would expect to see Catwoman, as she is important to the Batman universe.

For speculation purposes...If the Joker should/needs to return: Johnny Depp. ACCEPT TO SUBSTITUTES. I can't think of any other actor who could come close to Ledger's performance. Depp would be able to revive all the aspects of the Joker that Heath was amazing at, and if plenty dark enough to work the role.

The perfect Riddler (and I am serious) would be Jim Carey. He was crazy and funny enough the first time around, and his dabbling in darker roles would make him a good choice.
No, Clayface would not fit into the world that Nolan has crafted. Yes they could pull it off but it would offset the realism that they've been trying to maintain with Begins and Dark Knight. Catwoman would be far more appropriate, so I agree with you there.

I do not want to see Depp as Joker, in fact, out of respect for Heath, they shouldn't even think about recasting it. Ledger should not be replaced. Yes, it means that they'll have to discontinue his character in this vein of the movies, but no one could come close.

Riddler would be cool, but again I disagree with the casting choice. Carey is a good actor, and I'm sure he could play a darker Riddler, but Nolan has done a wonderful job setting these movies apart from the previous films, putting Carey in the role would I think jeopardize all of that.

Many people doubted the decision to cast Ledger as the Joker, and by far his performance is not only the truest to the character that has been portrayed so far, but his performance is arguably the best this year so far.

Cast Choices in my mind for future characters.

Penguin: Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Catwoman: Charlize Theron
The Ventriloquist: John Hurt (With Daniel Day-Lewis doing the voice for Scarface)
The Riddler: Edward Norton (Yeah, he's Bruce Banner, but he'd make for a great Nigma too).

They should at all costs avoid Clayface (as cool of a villain as he is, I don't think he'd work in the movies), and recasting Joker.
Uhh, you contradicted yourself. While you believe that my choices for the Riddler and Replacement Joker aren't great, you pointed out that Ledger didn't sound good at first either...

I do totally agree about NOT putting the Joker in a third movie. I'm just saying that if they HAD to recast the Joker, Depp would be the best choice, as no one else could perfectly imitate the character, but Depp could pull off the mannerisms and darkness of the role. Again, they SHOULDN'T recast, but if they HAD TO, they would at least have someone to rely on.

I see where you're coming from with Jim Carey. He would still be a great choice for Riddler in this Batman world, though. The craziness practically IS Jim Carey, while he has refined his skills to cover more material. If the specific goal is to avoid the previous movies, though, it would be wise to choose roles that are not spoken for. The Ventriloquist (though I never saw him myself) would be a good start, and if Two-Face lives and Catwoman is casted, you have three villains. One recalled from a previous movie, one to fit in with the mafia aspect, and one simply because she is important.

I think Theron would be a pretty good choice for Catwoman, but I don't see Bruce Banner flopping to DC. Steve Bushemi, on the other hand, has enough craziness in his head with a dark twist to fit.

On to Mr. Freeze...Clive Owen kind of looks the role, MCD would be good for the role, but I'll trump both of them with Bruce Willis and Jason Statham. These bald badasses make much better choices 9now that I think about them).

Mr Jawes
Crew


Mr Jawes
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:54 pm


Is it bad that I want to fit Alan Rickman into a Batman Movie?

Also, how about Jason Lee as The Riddler?

EDIT: I don't see any better Penguin than Danny DeVito at this point...
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:13 pm


Priest_of_Syrinx
Drinky McIrish
l -Xera- l The Dark
It depends really, he can't really fight. All he really wants to be is a real human anyways.

The mob need a leader, however Two-Face and Scarface could have some kind of mob war though. I've known in the Animated Series that Two-Face has had a mob and never liked Scarface.
Scarface can't really fight, but he is a fierce mind and if they play up Albert Weskers past a little, they could show why he has such a loyal following (Wesker being part of an old time gotham mob family). I think a mob war between two factions like Two-Face and Scarface would make for a good movie.

Priest_of_Syrinx
The mob involvement is perfect. They've never been the central role, but it dictates constant the crime that Batman must fight. It also gives reasons for some characters, like the Joker, to show up trying to kill Batman id they're hired by the mob.

As for Two-Face, it is assumed that he died, but that could be rewritten if needed...

Now for a new discussion: If they make it, what villain(s) would you like to see or expect to see in the next Batman movie?

I personally want to see Clayface, as CG capabilities make it very possible. I would expect to see Catwoman, as she is important to the Batman universe.

For speculation purposes...If the Joker should/needs to return: Johnny Depp. ACCEPT TO SUBSTITUTES. I can't think of any other actor who could come close to Ledger's performance. Depp would be able to revive all the aspects of the Joker that Heath was amazing at, and if plenty dark enough to work the role.

The perfect Riddler (and I am serious) would be Jim Carey. He was crazy and funny enough the first time around, and his dabbling in darker roles would make him a good choice.
No, Clayface would not fit into the world that Nolan has crafted. Yes they could pull it off but it would offset the realism that they've been trying to maintain with Begins and Dark Knight. Catwoman would be far more appropriate, so I agree with you there.

I do not want to see Depp as Joker, in fact, out of respect for Heath, they shouldn't even think about recasting it. Ledger should not be replaced. Yes, it means that they'll have to discontinue his character in this vein of the movies, but no one could come close.

Riddler would be cool, but again I disagree with the casting choice. Carey is a good actor, and I'm sure he could play a darker Riddler, but Nolan has done a wonderful job setting these movies apart from the previous films, putting Carey in the role would I think jeopardize all of that.

Many people doubted the decision to cast Ledger as the Joker, and by far his performance is not only the truest to the character that has been portrayed so far, but his performance is arguably the best this year so far.

Cast Choices in my mind for future characters.

Penguin: Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Catwoman: Charlize Theron
The Ventriloquist: John Hurt (With Daniel Day-Lewis doing the voice for Scarface)
The Riddler: Edward Norton (Yeah, he's Bruce Banner, but he'd make for a great Nigma too).

They should at all costs avoid Clayface (as cool of a villain as he is, I don't think he'd work in the movies), and recasting Joker.
Uhh, you contradicted yourself. While you believe that my choices for the Riddler and Replacement Joker aren't great, you pointed out that Ledger didn't sound good at first either...

I do totally agree about NOT putting the Joker in a third movie. I'm just saying that if they HAD to recast the Joker, Depp would be the best choice, as no one else could perfectly imitate the character, but Depp could pull off the mannerisms and darkness of the role. Again, they SHOULDN'T recast, but if they HAD TO, they would at least have someone to rely on.

I see where you're coming from with Jim Carey. He would still be a great choice for Riddler in this Batman world, though. The craziness practically IS Jim Carey, while he has refined his skills to cover more material. If the specific goal is to avoid the previous movies, though, it would be wise to choose roles that are not spoken for. The Ventriloquist (though I never saw him myself) would be a good start, and if Two-Face lives and Catwoman is casted, you have three villains. One recalled from a previous movie, one to fit in with the mafia aspect, and one simply because she is important.

I think Theron would be a pretty good choice for Catwoman, but I don't see Bruce Banner flopping to DC. Steve Bushemi, on the other hand, has enough craziness in his head with a dark twist to fit.

On to Mr. Freeze...Clive Owen kind of looks the role, MCD would be good for the role, but I'll trump both of them with Bruce Willis and Jason Statham. These bald badasses make much better choices 9now that I think about them).
Not a contradiction since the first four Batman movie could be considered one vein of the character, and Begins and Dark Knight are a different vein. Either way, Carey was a very hollow Riddler, just like how Jones was a hollow Two-Face (as well as being incorrectly portrayed).

I don't see Norton making his way into the movie either (Though, Hugh Jackman was considered for the part of Dent). Buschemi is getting rather old for the part though I think, not to mention he doesn't really look the part either.

Willis and Statham look the parts (Both being notoriously bald), but I don't think I'd want to see them in a Batman movie, I don't think they either of them have the voices for it.

Drinky McIrish
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Invulnerable Enthusiasm

PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:29 pm


I totally agree with, Syrinx.
Carey is (read carefully) PERFECT for the Riddler. He is the only villain of the past movies that I actually enjoyed and felt like the right actor was used for the role.

But then again, I disagree with Clayface being the best choice for the next villain.

With Begins, and Dark Knight I really think Chris Nolan and crew are really trying for a realistic portrayal of the Batman series than ever before. And based on how Dark Knight was produced and how often Nolan wanted to avoid CG, I really don't think Clayface would work for the next one.

I really think you're all over thinking the possible choices. You have to remember that maybe not everyone that's seeing the movies is a diehard fan and might not have heard of Clayface or Scarface. We should really just keep it more mainstream and stick with the usual (and more popular) villains.
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