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Actually I based this on what I was taught when I was little and what I read in the bible back when I was struggling with the choice of christianity.


Not everything I say is based on you, but of how I see humanity, and to be humanity fears death. Even more so humanity fears what happens, if anything, after death. I know humanity is like the weather, it fluxuates and is unpredictable. I also know it's impossible to say something about humanity as a whole without overgeneralizing it, but still this is what I think about with the majority of the world.


I'm the opposite, which I guess is more of a cliche than what you did, but still I was taught to be a christian and did not make my choic to be 'a rebel' but based on what I beleive.


In the eyes of a christian, I'll say he tempts us but in the end it's our choice. In my own eyes, I say no. Plain and simple.


Ya see I can see that he would want to make God's children sin just to hurt God, but like I said from what I learned, is that his main goal is to take as many to hell with him as possible. Acourse I'm sure you know about your own faith more than I do.

I find contradiction in your 4th and 5th paragraph. You say he dosn't care about what we do and then says he wants us to worship him. I'm not going to get too deep on it because I assume you mean somthing seperate behind the two, but just want to point out that's what I see. (Is being real lazy today)


I'm sure it's the same for anyone who truly beleives in what they follow.

In response to the rest, you did it souly to keep your God happy, not because of anything else. If that's true then I really find it odd, with all do respect. I can't say I don't beleive you because I'm not a mind reader, but I guess for one you truly cared for I can understand. Suicide to me is a very weak thing to do. Everyone, including me, that ever went through any major hardship has had thoughts of it, but to go through with it is more selfish than being a thief. You actually bring up somthing that really makes me feel for you, was God the only reason you didn't do it? Do you have any family memebers who would have suffered as well? Do it it just for a God that might not exist, in theory, is what I find odd, but I guess to a person who beleives, it's not so odd.


That's was your idea of comfort at the time. My theory is for people to find peace AFTER death, but does not know what comes after death. Suicide is one thing that all religions, except for radical muslims that off people, strongly speak against. I beleive that religion was also made to keep people from killing themselves. Because lets face it, if their is nothing worth living for then death might be a persons best option. When these faiths were really coming to light, it was during a time of major hardship for everyone. I'm sure suicide was one of the major forms of population control.


I do not want to seem heartless, but yes it does, to me. I'm sorry for your pain and I'm happy you did not give in to that desire.


And this is where you differ from alot of christians I know, to them serving God is very important, but heaven is the goal.


That's true, better to be on a God's good side, who could control weather and cure diseases, than his bad side. Really though I know that's not the point. I read the story of Job and know he was truly a faithful man, I would have been pissed. As well as the story of Moses, Noah, Ruth, Elijah, Elisha, Daniel, Jacob, and Abraham. I know they were faithful because they beleived in the God they followed, and to be honest that's how it should be, why follow somthing you do not believe in.

To note, though I assume you already know this, I'm not hear to change your beleifs and like you, I find it fasinating to hear what goes on in other peoples heads. To be honest alot that you said I could not really debate with because most was how you viewed the christian faith, somthing i have no business to disagree with.


Well to be honest I did disagree with the, "Settling for less" comment, but that's really somthing between you and him. Anyways if I do find somthing I agree with I will say it.

I was a christian and im familiar with your beliefs please donèt tell me what God wants for me again. satanism is ok with hurting others, they mean it about the vengeance thing. As long as you donèt hurt those you care about you are ok.

its not in the statements but it is in the satanic bible that children and animals are the purest form of life. (this is becasue children before they have recieved any kind of religious upbringing will do what feels good and anilmas do this naturaly) thus to defile a child or animal is against satanic doctrine.

"all others are false and one is true, however who's to say christianity is the correct one? hart and i are still open to the idea that we may be wrong, you guys (christians) are the only ones completely convinced of your own superiority. "


Okay, maybe not a stereotype. But I would very much appreciate if you got off your hate-on for Christianity so that we can have a REAL discussion, instead of just making absurd remarks.
Christians are the only ones who think we're right? Oh, mmhm, I forgot that Muslims don't follow their religion based on the fact that they think it's right. Nor do Hindus. Nor does anyone else who believes in their religion, because people follow religions because they think the religion is wrong.

Can we please stop making low-blows at Christianity now, and get on with a real debate?
You said that you and hart at least are open to the fact that you may be wrong.
I realize that no one is perfect, I could possibly have this wrong. If you think I'm wrong in believing in Christianity, then show me HOW I'm wrong. Show me WHY I'm wrong. At least Hart is making for an actual debate.

In reply to your other post, I think you missed my point, what with your beliefs about children and animals. Thus, I will ask you show you a case that happened recently with adults, no children involved.

" The man was attacked as the Greyhound bus traveled across a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway about 12 miles from Portage La Prairie, Manitoba.

Witnesses say the victim was sleeping with headphones on when he was stabbed 40 or 50 times by the man sitting next to him.

The attacker then severed the victim's head with a large hunting knife while other passengers scrambled to flee the scene.

A witness said the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off".

Passenger Garnet Caton, 26, said: "When he was attacking him, he was calm. There was no rage or, or anything. He was just like a robot.

"The victim didn't do anything to provoke the guy. The guy just took a knife out and stabbed him, started stabbing him like crazy and cut his head off.
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Another passenger, said the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body."

After the bus pulled over and the terrified passengers fled, passengers said the attacker began taunting those outside with the victim's head. "
Fully article found here

Oh yay for self - gratification.

Well maybe he was satanist and believed it was okay to do it because it made him feel good?
Who knows. From what I've read of Satanism in this thread, it's a possibility.

I'm not going to lie, when I hear about those things, it makes me wonder if the people are demon possessed ><
(some people don't believe possession still happens, but it mos def does.)

... Thinking though... I've seen only a conversation from the opposite sides of the spectrum.... And that's what's been reported on all through out the world. This white man did this... well the black guy did that... no that Mexican-

As far as I see it's just something to gripe about. The human race sucks. We're screwed up. We are all at fault. It's not that one race has done more than another, we have ALL made mistakes. It's just that the world likes to pin one up on what we want to think is wrong... When was the last time you saw an Native American in the news for something good, or bad?

well if he was posessed by demkons i dont think he would be complaining about the devils music in the victims headphones. on the other hand what does this have to do with satanism. ?

ok i'll put this straight out it just looks to me that satan has a hold of you. If you actually didn't worship satan you wouldn't be a satanist i'm not flaming. but i think that anyone who turns to it, satan has a hold on you, you could have just turned away from Christianity but you decided to go complete opposite and i believe that satan will destroy you on the inside. anton lavey was a true worshiper of satan, and i don't think that you would have chosen this path if you wanted to get away from Christianity that is my answer to you