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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:13 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:25 pm
Xenos Mortium Okay, first off, none of the armies just flat out suck. If you say that, well, you're an idiot. True, GW may have rushed them into production, unbalanced, but if you've never seen them win, that is simply because the players haven't the slightest as to what strategy. You take an expert Tau player, and have them face you, and you'd not know what hit you. I personally think that victory in Warhammer is dependant on two things: Skill (Being strategy and being able to select an effective army) and Luck (Being able to roll a die) im actually a good player but how would you know? they dont suck(if you are an expert ok) but they are the worse army out there.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:50 pm
heavyflamer im actually a good player but how would you know? they dont suck(if you are an expert ok) but they are the worse army out there. heavyflamer, we're running off of certain suppositions here. I'll place them in a logical format for you. P1 - You have rarely seen Tau win. P2 - You have rarely (never?) never lost to Tau. P3 - Tyranids and Tau are on roughly equal footing. ----- C - The Tau players in your area are inordinately poor. From this conclusion, we can also construct the following: P1 - The Tau players in your area are poor P2 - You have rarely (never?) lost to Tau --- C - You have never faced a Tau player of high skill. Returning to your original post, you started talking about how Tau were the worst army in response to my assertion that I started playing Tau first because I wanted to be able to pick up it's strategy rather than learn Marines and then have to re-learn my strategy all over again when I would buy Tau, which is the army I actually wanted. I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish by this. So to reiterate, Tau are not the worst army in all of 40k. It's actually my opinion that there is no worst army in an overall view. Different armies can be worse at doing specific tasks than other armies, but over all, there is no worst army. However, because they are particularly difficult to learn how to use effectively, they are one of the worst armies for some one just looking to get into the game. I'm well aware that there are many who will just try out thier buddies Tau and declare "OMG these suck, I'll be Chaos when I start building my own army." I was willing to wait out the 2 months of losses while I worked out how my Tau were meant to be used. I'm not a master in any sense, but I at least know the basics of how to field my army now. Thus, they are not nescessarily the worst army, but definately one of, if not the, most difficult to learn. Tau have a much steeper learning curve than Marines or Necrons do, and a distinct lack of the sort of high grade cheese that some other armies can field. That's why many (including you if I understand correctly), think they are terrible. The Tau codex and rules sets have some flaws yes, but just about all the codexes have flaws and problems and useless units. It's merely a matter of perspective.
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:58 pm
a tau suit force, is HELL to fight if you don't have LOTS of numbers to make up for your losses, and fast moving troops to assault them. They can move, shoot you, then go behind cover again. This makes Tau's suits incredibly tough AND annoying. You have to get close.
Once again, the usefulness of an army rests on the shoulders of the General... I will field a themed army that looks great, has fluff, and tons of character, even if it CAN'T win in many situations, just because it's FUN. If I wanted to, I could turn that army into a killing machine designed to take down tournament players, but that would not be fun. I'm sure i'm not the only one who shares this love of an army that looks good, over one that plays good?
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 6:31 pm
heavyflamer Xenos Mortium Okay, first off, none of the armies just flat out suck. If you say that, well, you're an idiot. True, GW may have rushed them into production, unbalanced, but if you've never seen them win, that is simply because the players haven't the slightest as to what strategy. You take an expert Tau player, and have them face you, and you'd not know what hit you. I personally think that victory in Warhammer is dependant on two things: Skill (Being strategy and being able to select an effective army) and Luck (Being able to roll a die) im actually a good player but how would you know? they dont suck(if you are an expert ok) but they are the worse army out there. Tau are certainly not the worst army out there. Personally I have played and one plenty of battles with my Tau army. They are much harder to play then some of the other armies but if you dedicate a few battles learning how to use them correctly they can be devastatingly effective
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:32 pm
I love people capable of logical thought. heart
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:03 pm
Xenos Mortium I love people capable of logical thought. heart *bows* Why thank you. xd
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:07 pm
Xenos Mortium I love people capable of logical thought. heart And we love being right. heart
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:34 pm
*Hides behind rock* Psst... tau scare me... if played right... oh god... the pain... One word thingy... S5... oh god... so evil! But thats just the sugar man... I watched a tau army lead this guy around the table for 3 turns and obliterate him. It was horrible... Oh god... so evil sometimes...
And for the record (not that that thing above wasnt)... the army i can think harder to play than Tau, the Dark Eldar. I can say this without feeling ignorant, and have been reassured by many many Dark Eldar players. Around, (might be over exagerating this bit...) 90% of the Dark Eldar Codex is worthless right now. Best armies i have seen... (my friend has 4000 points and can field any combo of guys... he got them dirt cheap) his BEST armies, were warriors, in raiders, wyches, in raiders, lord and incubi, in raider. It was plain mean. So many raiders! SO MANY WYCHES! It hurt, I can say that much... I won in the end through pure... luck mostly. I rethought my strategy against him from the ground up, and I still cant see myself winning easily anymore. (Nothing like attacking WS5 wyches with a WS2... and losing extra attacks from additional close combat weapons...)
Dark Eldar are hard to use... Tau in many respects are Dark Eldar killing machines, very good at blowing Raiders out of the sky, just hope the Wyches dont get in close combat... WS1 tau...
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:51 pm
Yeah, thay's why GW stopped selling DE. They're getting a complete reworking before being re-released. But really, WS 1 is no big deal for Tau. We still hit everything on 5+. Tau played right should put down those Raiders before they get too close, and leave the DE to footslog it under hails of S5 AP5 shots that will whittle them down to nothing. In fact, while I have never played against DE, I imagine my strategy would be similar to my strategy against fast 'Nids.
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:38 pm
Only DE are faster, and can get a 30 inch first turn assualt... 25-30... Its also a good amount of raiders... I mean, around 7-8 in 1500 points...
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:29 pm
i'd have to say the tau players by me are noobs. im still saying they are the worst army, because even when used well, there are armys that can out cheese them easily. when the new codex comes out im sure tau will be one of the best armies, they should be with those giant a** guns lol. and what dark eldar guyy gets 25-30 inch assualt first turn? i have only played them once vs a guy and he wasn't even all that good, at all actualy. he was horrible. hes better now though but he won't play me sad
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:19 pm
heavyflamer i'd have to say the tau players by me are noobs. im still saying they are the worst army, because even when used well, there are armys that can out cheese them easily. when the new codex comes out im sure tau will be one of the best armies, they should be with those giant a** guns lol. and what dark eldar guyy gets 25-30 inch assualt first turn? i have only played them once vs a guy and he wasn't even all that good, at all actualy. he was horrible. hes better now though but he won't play me sad Actually, I beleive the Tau will remain more or less the same when the new codex comes out. Some new units, some new special rules, some rules fixes, but I expect them to be more or less cheese free. The only way the Tau can cheese anything is by spamming a certain type of weapon, which they are fully capable of doing in small points games. I can cram 9 Broadsides or 3 Hammerheads into 1000 points. That's about the extent of Tau cheese, and I expect it will remain more or less the same. After all, Tau don't have psychic powers, traits, doctrines or any other optional rules that they can combine to create powerful effects. All they have are big bashy guns, and lots of them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:49 pm
heavyflamer i'd have to say the tau players by me are noobs. im still saying they are the worst army, because even when used well, there are armys that can out cheese them easily. when the new codex comes out im sure tau will be one of the best armies, they should be with those giant a** guns lol. and what dark eldar guyy gets 25-30 inch assualt first turn? i have only played them once vs a guy and he wasn't even all that good, at all actualy. he was horrible. hes better now though but he won't play me sad Please play a Tau player with some skill before you go off judging the army. yesterday, I won a tournament with my 1,500-point Tau army and had to beat 2 SM armies, an Eldar army, and one hell of a bad-a** Chaos army too do it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:20 am
Chaos owns all but you have to know what your doing.
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