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 Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am
My favorite fantasy characters?! What a list I could make >_< I'll only list like five though ^^
Drizzt Du'Urden from the legends of Drizzt by R.A. Salvatore ((Horray for the Brunor lover!))
I also love Artemis Enteri from R.A. Salvatore as well.
Jarlaxe Banre from the R.A. Salvatore series as well (Yes.. they are my favorite books.))
Ameterasu Ookami from the game Okami from Capcom ((I highly reccomend btw))
and Murtagh ((Before he became an a-...Butt hole in the second bok of the Eragon trilogy, Eldest.)
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:21 pm
Who DOESN'T love Drizzt? rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:40 pm
To answer your question, that would be me. I have no idea who that character is. Will I get the chance to read those books? Maybe someday but for now, I can't and to be honest, I don't really feel like looking them up, he-he. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:57 pm
DM_Melkhar Who DOESN'T love Drizzt? rolleyes lol, true. He's just cool like that....I feel terrible now! eek I forgot about Zak! I like him more than Eragon, whoops. xd
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:45 pm
Mine would be...holy crap i don't know.
Definitely Eragon
Jasmin from the Deltora Quest series
Zorel (a character from my story)
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:45 pm
DM_Melkhar Who DOESN'T love Drizzt? rolleyes Me... I've never read any of RA Salvatore's books because I read the first page or so of a short story by him & couldn't get any further - his writing style just totally jarred against me in a horrible way & I found it unreadable!
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:22 pm
Eoforgar DM_Melkhar Who DOESN'T love Drizzt? rolleyes Me... I've never read any of RA Salvatore's books because I read the first page or so of a short story by him & couldn't get any further - his writing style just totally jarred against me in a horrible way & I found it unreadable!
Admittedly I found Salvatore's writing style to be a little awkward, but I gave it a chance and got into it afterwards. The first few chapters of the Dark Elf trilogy I found to be a bit aggravating as it literally goes through Drizzt's birth *shudder* and then rapidly into him growing into maturity. It explains how he became an exile pretty well, but it could have been written up in a prologue rather than several prolonged chapters. In any case I actually quite enjoyed it, many other people enjoyed it, and we enjoy Drizzt as a character.
You cannot say you do not like Drizzt as a character when you've never read the books thoroughly. The logical thing to do would be to not make any kind of comment about it really unless you're going to say "well I don't know if I'd love him or not because I didn't like Salvatore's writing."
Ok, now before anyone goes off on one saying that I've said exactly the same thing about Harry Potter, I haven't really. No offence to those who like Harry Potter and the entire work of J K Rowling, I know enough about the franchise to be able to have an plausible and enlightened perception of it. I've also seen a couple of the films, and quite frankly I didn't feel anything for any of the characters. Metaphorically speaking they all appeared rather 2D to me. Also from what I've seen and heard of Rowling's writing, she's pretty much mustered every cliché and bunged it into one universe.
That's just MY opinion though. Like I said, I know enough about it to have made that informed decision about it and have absolutely no desire to read the books.
If you can talk about Salvatore in that way and slate Drizzt, then do so. However, if you know nothing of Drizzt, don't make comments about not liking him as a character.
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:07 pm
Well, while I didn't say that I hate Drizz't, I am swayed towards the negative camp due to his rep. amongst the D&D community... in AD&D 2nd Ed. dual-weilding was the power-gamer way to go - having more attacks was outright better than the extra defence that a shield afforded you. Drizz't was based on that stereotype & he also epitomises the whole 'but I'm a good bad guy' thing that's pretty cliche (more commonly involving vampires). Plus apparently he's so good that he always wins... possibly straying into ' Mary Sue' territory. There's also the whole Drizzt Syndrome thing that's made him unpopular because so many ignorant fanboi types just want to make a copy of Drizz't when they create a D&D character for the first time... What do you reckon, is it all unjustified?
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:09 am
Eoforgar Well, while I didn't say that I hate Drizz't, I am swayed towards the negative camp due to his rep. amongst the D&D community... in AD&D 2nd Ed. dual-weilding was the power-gamer way to go - having more attacks was outright better than the extra defence that a shield afforded you. Drizz't was based on that stereotype & he also epitomises the whole 'but I'm a good bad guy' thing that's pretty cliche (more commonly involving vampires). Plus apparently he's so good that he always wins... possibly straying into ' Mary Sue' territory. There's also the whole Drizzt Syndrome thing that's made him unpopular because so many ignorant fanboi types just want to make a copy of Drizz't when they create a D&D character for the first time... What do you reckon, is it all unjustified?
Anyhow, what's the problem with characters that are good if they come from a race that is normally depicted as being evil? Among a barrel of rotten apples, you may find the odd few that are still good. The only way to make sure they remain good is to take them out of that barrel so that they're not going to go bad like all the others. Drizzt left his people because of that. That is the stance I take on this.
Why must all vampires be downright evil? Likewise why must all drow be evil. There are bad humans as well as good, bad angels as well as good, so why not good vampires and drow as well as bad? I think it's very narrow minded of those who think that he/she is a vampire/drow and therefore he/she HAS to be evil, or that all angels are good. The story about Lucifer is that he was once God's best and most trusted angel, yet he went bad and fell from grace, thus he is thought to be a fallen angel. I'm not saying that story is true, but that's one of the legends/myths about him.
Drizzt has been made to be a Gary-Stu (the male version of Mary-Sue) because of D&D to be perfectly honest. I have characters who are so good at what they do that they pretty much always win, but there's reasoning behind WHY, as I have told you before in person. Salvatore's idea of Drizzt was so appealing to D&D that they used him and made him more of that type than he was originally.
However, I have only read the Dark Elf trilogy, and have not read other books involving Drizzt. I am speaking of what I know of him personally. I don't know D&D because I absolutely hate the idea of tabletop role-playing. I find it slow, I find it distracting, and unrealistic. It's slow because you have to sit there, roll dice, work out stats....yada yada yada. I find it distracting because it's a pain in the arse trying to be in-character and then out of character, especially as you're essentially acting in front of your fellows which doesn't look right without the costumes and props. I find it unrealistic for all of those reasons given there. At least with online role-playing, or playing an RPG video-game, or reading, you can engage in the world more or less completely and there's no faffing around with mathematics. Because Drizzt was such a strong character in the books, he was given outrageous stats in D&D, which I believe is where the sh*t hit the fan, giving people like you such opinions about him.
*Gets her cat o' nine tails ready.*
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:01 pm
Eoforgar Well, while I didn't say that I hate Drizz't, I am swayed towards the negative camp due to his rep. amongst the D&D community... in AD&D 2nd Ed. dual-weilding was the power-gamer way to go - having more attacks was outright better than the extra defence that a shield afforded you. Drizz't was based on that stereotype & he also epitomises the whole 'but I'm a good bad guy' thing that's pretty cliche (more commonly involving vampires). Plus apparently he's so good that he always wins... possibly straying into ' Mary Sue' territory. There's also the whole Drizzt Syndrome thing that's made him unpopular because so many ignorant fanboi types just want to make a copy of Drizz't when they create a D&D character for the first time... What do you reckon, is it all unjustified? I'm not trying to be know-it-all or anything, but Drizzt has lost. A few times in the series actually. Of course that was only the battles, not the war xd And he does overcome most of it, so I see where you're coming from. Personally I like the thought of him being near perfect, even though its unrealistic, and I'm sure it didn't help when the other sub-main-characters weren't exactly his equals in battle... They got better later on though ^^
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:19 pm
DM_Melkhar Because Drizzt was such a strong character in the books, he was given outrageous stats in D&D, which I believe is where the sh*t hit the fan, giving people like you such opinions about him. The problem with Drizz't hasn't got anything to do with any official stats for him (which I know nothing about), it's that he's a cliched Gary-Stu with a mindless cult fanboi following, akin to the more recent phenomenon of Harry Potter... lots of people like Drizz't because it's 'cool' to like him; & that's something which repulses me. DM_Melkhar Drizzt has been made to be a Gary-Stu (the male version of Mary-Sue) because of D&D to be perfectly honest. That doesn't make sense to me Mel - it's Salvatore that's writing him, what influence does D&D have over Drizz't's Gary-Stuness?
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:47 am
Eoforgar DM_Melkhar Because Drizzt was such a strong character in the books, he was given outrageous stats in D&D, which I believe is where the sh*t hit the fan, giving people like you such opinions about him. The problem with Drizz't hasn't got anything to do with any official stats for him (which I know nothing about), it's that he's a cliched Gary-Stu with a mindless cult fanboi following, akin to the more recent phenomenon of Harry Potter... lots of people like Drizz't because it's 'cool' to like him; & that's something which repulses me. DM_Melkhar Drizzt has been made to be a Gary-Stu (the male version of Mary-Sue) because of D&D to be perfectly honest. That doesn't make sense to me Mel - it's Salvatore that's writing him, what influence does D&D have over Drizz't's Gary-Stuness?
But anyway!
Characters that I like: (this can be a long list.)
D - Vampire hunter D
Lestat - Interview with the vampire
Link - Legend of Zelda (when he is older)
Vyse - Skies of Arcadia (tis where I got my name from)
Rameriz - Skies of Arcadia.
L - Death note
Ed - Full Metal Alchimest - He is my fave one at the moment, I love him to bits!
I have loads of them that I love, some of which I can't name for reasons....that I will not say. *shifty eyes*
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:04 pm
Eoforgar DM_Melkhar Because Drizzt was such a strong character in the books, he was given outrageous stats in D&D, which I believe is where the sh*t hit the fan, giving people like you such opinions about him. The problem with Drizz't hasn't got anything to do with any official stats for him (which I know nothing about), it's that he's a cliched Gary-Stu with a mindless cult fanboi following, akin to the more recent phenomenon of Harry Potter... lots of people like Drizz't because it's 'cool' to like him; & that's something which repulses me. DM_Melkhar Drizzt has been made to be a Gary-Stu (the male version of Mary-Sue) because of D&D to be perfectly honest. That doesn't make sense to me Mel - it's Salvatore that's writing him, what influence does D&D have over Drizz't's Gary-Stuness?
I don't see why a character should be slated for their prowess in battle. Drizzt was always intended to be a formidable fighter and extremely difficult to counter. His fighting style reflects that. That fighting style IS exceedingly effective if the wielder knows how to manipulate his/her blades. However, they'd be liable to take a bit more damage as a result depending on their clothing. What's the problem there? In the first book of the Dark Elf trilogy, it is explained that Drizzt did an awful lot of training to get as good as he is.
The makers of D&D are not R. A. Salvatore, and vice versa. Have you never seen characters ruined by other people? How about Rayne as another example? Originally, she's an amazing character created by Majesco. She's sarcastic, a fantastic fighter, a dhampir, and has a rather amusing sense of humour although she has a difficult past. Look at what that tosser Uwe Boll did to her in the films. Neither actress can act as Rayne. Oh, but Majesco wrote her character, so it's their fault for Uwe Boll f***ing it up is it? No. The same applies to Drizzt. It's not Salvatore's fault that the writer's of D&D decided to emphasise his character to the point where he became unrealistic and Gary-Stu like.
If THAT doesn't make sense to you Eo, then I get the feeling nothing will. If it still doesn't make sense, I believe it may be your opinion on this that doesn't allow you to.
And Mandy, you mean Baldur's Gate.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:17 pm
DM_Melkhar If THAT doesn't make sense to you Eo, then I get the feeling nothing will. No, it's not making sense to me Mel, because I'm not seeing where 'D&D' started writing the books instead of Salvatore... Drizzt is inseperable from D&D, as he was created based on a D&D class & race in the D&D setting of Forgotten Realms. Everything else (his cliche Gary-Stuness) is down to the writing of Salvatore. If you're in doubt as to what the 'Gary-Stu' thing is actually about, I suggest reading the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article.
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:52 pm
Agh....the misconceptions they hurt.
Ok gotta set a couple things straight. One creator of forgotten realms D&D campaign setting : Ed Greenwood.NOT SALVATORE.
Two: Dizzt created AS A CHARACTER NOT RELATED TO D&D by Salvatore.
Now don't get me wrong I strongly dislike Drizzt fanboys who understand nothing about Salvatore's writing or Drizzt's character and story. The thing is I like Drizzt because of Salvatore's writing and for no other reason, I've never played D&D and when I started reading about Drizzt I had no idea the two were related. To be perfectly honest I don't give a F*** what D&D says I like the character for what R.A Salvatore's made him to be.
Now on to Elminster, well there's not really much I can say he is pretty stereotypical but...I like him and Greenwood is a fine writer in my opinion
Side note: for those who think Drizzt doesn't lose enough check out the plot line involving him and Artemis Entreri
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