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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:57 am
Black Metal is blasphemous. It's supposed to be a shout of rebel against the usual society values. It's crude, violent and full of hate. If it's Christian it isn't black metal... it's an insult to black metal and the free-thinkers of the world.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:43 pm
Black Metal is the most wide-ranged subgenre of music in existence. It is not what it's about that defines the genre, it is the music being played.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:33 pm
I know some people who are Christians and enjoy Black Metal. But I also know people who converted to Christianity and burnt all of their BM CDs and Merchandise (Which in this country is extremely hard to come by). This is already a confirmation by them that the two don't mix.
So bearing this in mind I do not believe that "Christian BM" is a term that can be used - It's Christian Metal.
Black metal has gone through decades of controversial events and ideologies that has made it infamous for more than just the music style, which was simply a vessel to express these, and to throw the term of BM around so loosely nowadays goes against everything that created the genre in the first place.
This is in no way an elitist viewpoint, I just don't feel that the name fits with the ideology. Though I must say, some of these bands can definitely sound brutal! =)
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:10 pm
Konrad Kurze it's an insult to black metal and the free-thinkers of the world. LOL! BM=/=free thinkers. yes there are free thinkers in black metal - and in Christianity i might point out. being a blasphemous little b***h is herd mentality, and that's why bands like dark funeral suck. they're just going along with what the crowd wants. black metal isn't just about praising satan, though satan does figure heavily into the BM scene. if all you're trying to do is blaspheme, that makes you the equivalent of the mindless bible belt Christians - you assume everything that's said to be good in the Bible is, and then you do what the Bible calls evil to spite God. the true BMer is not a black sheep, he is a goat - he goes his own way, does his own solitary little thing and ******** everyone else. sure, he may not be Christian. he may be a satanist or a pagan or a shamanist or an atheist. he may be nietzschean or taoist or whatever. the point is to embrace a part of him and his culture that has not been ground down by the brainwashing and sheep-making of the pope. @ volchiha - i agree
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:48 am
@ Vol: I know some Christians who listen to the 1st and 2nd wave black metal bands.
It's just perplexing to me what the big deal of this is. There are people who like BM, they want to play BM. And then there are other people who say they can't becuase of their religious beliefs.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:45 am
As a Christian myself I would say it depends on what kind of convictions a person may have. That is why some may listen to a certain style of music and one may not...I myself have had this problem. I say (again I am speaking as a Christian..but it probably can pertain to anyone) if you feel as though a certain style of music or contents in music may infringe on your personal belief of course do not allow yourself to listen to it. Or in the case of UHBM listen to an alternative.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:20 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow See to me that's being close-minded, i do not mean to be rude in any way. What does sounding evil have anything to do with it? It's music, yes? The lyrics aren't about Satan, lyrics don't define a genre anyway. There are Christian Black Metal bands that sing about life in general and fighting their inner self, ect. i don't care so much about if they are Christian. that's a personal decision. but if their lyrics carry a Christian message, it would seem to be anti-Christian to have that message - love for mankind, love for God, being good and righteous, etc - screamed over an evil sounding riff. it just seems to me that if they are going to sing/preach about Christ and his teachings, a more appropriate musical style would be a less angry, less evil sounding approach - more like power or prog metal. and while lyrics do not define a genre, one of the things that defines black metal is that it is dark. the lyrics focus on dark subjects, the artwork is dark, the music sounds evil. Christianity focuses more on light - the saving light of God, to be specific. thus, the focus of Christian music would seem to be anti-black metal. whether the band is Christian or not doesn't really matter, but the whole focus of their songs does, and if the focus is on the saving light of God...that isn't very dark, now, is it? damn paradoxes and the sound of the music- the lyrics don't have to fit- it's just needs to sound good for the final product My Hollow 3) I mentioned the bands being attacked not myself. I have witnessed much hate and scrunity for them. They are trying to take something founded on hate and pure ignorance and make it better. Have you ever thought about the Christians who like the sound and style of black metal but hold their religion higher than the lyrics, maybe they wanted to have listen to it but don't. Now they can enjoy the music as well.
And Yes, there are Christians who judge and attack other people, and you what what? That's wrong. But we all fall short because we sin, and God knows this. No one is perfect.hollow are you a Christian? i am a follower of Christ and i take attacks seriously- though i listen to satanic bands and christian bands alike, i don't understand it when people shn good music because of the lyrics- for religious or personal beliefs i thinks that warrants it. Warrior of Metal Here's what I have to say: Black Metal was founded on the ideas of Paganism and Anti-Christianity. Most of the bands conformed to this. It has a dark feel, uses the tritone, and the dissonance. But the CATHOLIC church is the one who called the tritone evil and all that. They also invented indulgences and a lot of other s**t. I am a Christian and have no problem with the tritone or any of that s**t. You guys say that the Christian lyrics are gonna be all light and sunshine-y, but it doesn't need to be like that. I could write Christian lyrics and have them create a dark imagery that would fit the music. It just matters that the music is good. i agree completely, except what is the tritone? Battousai Akuma In a way Christian Black Metal isn't Black Metal. Many Christian Black Metal bands want to be refer to as HUBM or White Metal. Since they do not share the same ideologies as some Black Metal bands do. So can we just refer Christian Black Metal as HUBM? I understand that playing Dark music as a Christian may seem contradictory but this is actually a way to reach people and get them listening. Rather than listening to a message of violence and hate they are listening to one of hope and salvation. Again a reason why they consider themselves HUBM instead of Black Metal. but then you are not differentiating between the bm scen and the bm genre- I think iT Should be caled Christian Black Metal, with the prefix, like how you would put you know, Pagan,Satanic, of Slavic before the BM part of the genre Etherealemblem hehe....not all Christian music is ment to be for ecouragement......lots of HUBM bands have violent lyrics, BUT it is a HOLY anger, directed at Satan, and all he stands for, which is the reason for the sound, it is powerful, and against evil, it just sounds harsh and nocturnal. oh of course just look at the lyrics for Frost Like Ashes Pale Shadows, and Born to Pieces http://www.metal-archives.com/viewlyrics.php?id=1453574http://www.metal-archives.com/viewlyrics.php?id=1453574MegaTherion777 The War Starter I did ignore most of the posts here, this is just my initial thought. I think black metal has progressed far enough to be able to let go of the usual conventions of yesteryear. If it can progress musically to the point where it can move away from the typical black metal sound and not sound like Darkthrone clone #523 or Bathory worship #819, what's to stop it from taking a different lyrical standpoint? As a whole, I think black metal needs to stop taking itself so seriously, 'cause in reality it was created by a bunch of pissed off kids saying "f**k you" to the world in another form of rebellion. well i agree that most BM bands could use a sense of humor... and yeah a lot of bands do sound like clones. but a lot of bands are really original too - bathory, satyricon, gorgoroth, darkthrone, emperor, mayhem all sound different. the newer bands need to stop copying these guys and do their own thing. but at the same time, some aspects of the genre do need to be taken seriously. i guess it's up to the individual how much should be taken seriously though. that is one of the reasons i enjoy folk metal much much more - it si diverse and changing Divinus Cruor One question, Lomedin. Do you happen to like any Christian black metal band? Crimson Moonlight is just so great. Thiis is the very first good bandi listened too! and still ym favorite, i've met them twice!! 3nodding 3nodding anyway, that's my 2 cents, or i geuss it's alotmoree than 2, but that's my view.
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:40 pm
cliff - yes, hollow is a Christian. so is warrior of metal.
also, the tritone is an extremely dissonant combination of notes. it consists of one note, and then a second that is three whole steps above it, being played at the same time. it sounds very evil, which is why it was banned by the church at one point. it's commonly used in metal to give a dark, eerie, or evil feel to the music. the prime example of this is the intro/main riff to black sabbath's "black sabbath"
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:40 pm
ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:41 pm
CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:05 pm
MegaTherion777 CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too. I don't like Sabbath either.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:20 am
My Hollow MegaTherion777 CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too. I don't like Sabbath either. heresy! in a black metal thread! how appropriate!
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:37 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too. I don't like Sabbath either. heresy! in a black metal thread! how appropriate! I don't see why everyone must like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath. confused Overrated much?
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:35 pm
My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too. I don't like Sabbath either. heresy! in a black metal thread! how appropriate! I don't see why everyone must like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath. confused Overrated much? well, i was being sarcastic... but i personally find them enjoyable. yes, there are arguably better bands, so they may be somewhat overrated, but i still like them. it's like the beatles - yeah there are better bands. yeah, they're given, probably, too much credit. but they're still good.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:44 pm
MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 My Hollow MegaTherion777 CliffordTheBigRedDemon ok i''l look that up- i actusally don't like them so i've never heard that song, juts iron man and some others id remember the names to whaaaaaaat? don't like sabbath? shame on you. hmm... i know of other songs that make use of the tritone, but "black sabbath" is the only one i can think of off the top of my head... definitely one of the most obvious uses of it, too. I don't like Sabbath either. heresy! in a black metal thread! how appropriate! I don't see why everyone must like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath. confused Overrated much? well, i was being sarcastic... but i personally find them enjoyable. yes, there are arguably better bands, so they may be somewhat overrated, but i still like them. it's like the beatles - yeah there are better bands. yeah, they're given, probably, too much credit. but they're still good. maiden is classic, btu i wil admit they can get repetitive, but idk i just never got into bs- lol funny initials eh? it's like listening to acdc because they are classic, not because the know more than three cords... xd
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