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Shadeaux D Gloom

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:43 pm


I took us back to Monster High so the Art kids could do their thing and Perry and co. could start the prank war on their home turf, having the advantage, since the Luna High team would be arriving at the school soon.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:31 am


Oh... so we're not going to actually include me in the plan loop at all are we?
I really appreciate that.

Just.. you know what, forget it. I won't bother trying to include my characters in any plots because it's clear i'm not permitted to do as such.

No communication, no consideration of MY PLANS which were scuppered by the random art class thing in the first place (my plan came first and I mentioned it to drake, but nobody cared to actually run with it because oh no, it involved ME huh?)

whatever.

I'm annoyed and honestly really offended. I feel completely cut out. Nobody is bothering to speak to me or tell me anything. It's like there's this whole plan going on behind my back that nobody wants me to be involved in. I don't even feel I can play Jewels atm because I have NOTHING to do with her. All her actions have been taken over by other people and I have nothing to add to what's already been written.

So whatever. I'm done with this.

Perry Hartley


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:40 am


Wait, Perry, Ronan, and Jewels are gone. Why?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:17 pm


Ugh, I'm sick of this crap. There's a severe lack of communication in this guild that needs to be rectified, or else you're gonna end up banning everyone and there goes the guild.

I know it's been frustrating with the lack of activity of late, but also try to remember that we are mostly adults here with very active real lives. And ESPECIALLY this time of year, most of us are retail workers and are extremely busy. But I mean, Monks was one of the most active members of the guild and you kicked her out for voicing her complaints. I hardly think that was the most effective way to handle things. I will concede she was overly passive-aggressive about how she felt, but in reality a lot of us have been feeling the way Monks had felt but were never willing to speak up about it. She finally did, and she got banned for it. So, yeah.

GM's, y'all need to stop taking every criticism of how the guild is run so personally. It really feels like every time someone expresses their concerns about something it's met with "Well you have no idea how hard it is to run this guild!! If you don't like it, LEAVE." and frankly, that's rude, and that's the main reason none of us have critiqued you in any way until now. If we're taking the time to complain about feeling left out or steamrolled, then you should take it as a clear indicator that we WANT to be here, take it constructively and try to make a change. Otherwise you'll just end up turning everybody off and either banning them or driving them out.

Marceline LaGhede

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Draconia St George
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:32 pm


She wanted so badly to be out of the guild that she spent over an hour complaining long and loud on MHD chat about it, how awful it is, how terrible we all are and what a horrible place this is to be. She said she wanted Ronan to transfer out and Perry to drown. Apparently all we do here is 'write stories' and don't roleplay, and it's just the worst thing ever. She spent all morning ANGRY over it.

I've taken MORE than enough abuse, both to my face and behind my back from people for what was supposed to be a 'casual rping' guild. There's a huge double standard that she held herself to, where it's all right for her to take characters and drag them where she wanted without asking anyone, but wasn't okay for Shad to send them right back to where he thought the plot was supposed to be without asking her permission first.

She claimed she couldn't think of anything to post for Jewels, that no one would talk to her, and then got mad when the character was brought with in the plot, and STILL didn't post.

You can't have it both ways. You just. Can't.

And I'm tired of the abuse. She wanted to quit. Bluff called. Now she's quitted. Not for 'speaking her mind,' but for holding everyone here in such disrespectful contempt. She holds everyone in contempt, and assumes everyone holds her in contempt back.

I try really hard to be kind, I try hard to be generous and helpful and I bend over backwards where I can to make things fun. But her attitude has finally brought me to the absolute edge and I cannot deal with anymore of this crap-stirring, especially since she took the time to individually PM everyone on her way out with this 'speaking her mind' slant to ensure there was as much fighting afterward as possible, made sure to ask Sally to post in here in the hopes of starting a fight by proxy.

That's cancerous. It's poisonous.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:41 pm


Marceline LaGhede
Ugh, I'm sick of this crap. There's a severe lack of communication in this guild that needs to be rectified, or else you're gonna end up banning everyone and there goes the guild.

I know it's been frustrating with the lack of activity of late, but also try to remember that we are mostly adults here with very active real lives. And ESPECIALLY this time of year, most of us are retail workers and are extremely busy. But I mean, Monks was one of the most active members of the guild and you kicked her out for voicing her complaints. I hardly think that was the most effective way to handle things. I will concede she was overly passive-aggressive about how she felt, but in reality a lot of us have been feeling the way Monks had felt but were never willing to speak up about it. She finally did, and she got banned for it. So, yeah.

GM's, y'all need to stop taking every criticism of how the guild is run so personally. It really feels like every time someone expresses their concerns about something it's met with "Well you have no idea how hard it is to run this guild!! If you don't like it, LEAVE." and frankly, that's rude, and that's the main reason none of us have critiqued you in any way until now. If we're taking the time to complain about feeling left out or steamrolled, then you should take it as a clear indicator that we WANT to be here, take it constructively and try to make a change. Otherwise you'll just end up turning everybody off and either banning them or driving them out.


Let me get this straight. You post once every ten days or so and then appear to complain about this? I work retail as well and I can always find a few minutes in my day to check in here to see if I need to post. But you know what? That's not really here nor there....this is about 'monks,'

She was given a chance to be in on this as Kai pulled Jewels into it. But she didn't want to play Jewels. I can only assume this as she dropped out of posting with her and picked up posting with Perry. I guess being involved with Jewels was not good enough. Kai then has to do the heavy lifting as Jewels has already been pulled into it. Since 'monks' seemed to want to use Perry in this revenge scheme, she forces Shad to zap her not only into Luna High but attempts to force them into the other group....the group with the mule she doesn't feel like posting with. Well, I guess Shad wasn't keen on this as he zapped them back.

Now instead of behaving like a rational human being and sending some nice posts around, 'monks' does what she always does. She throws a giant b***h fit. Now, you're gonna say "Hey, noob....who the hell are you to say that? You don't know 'monks' from a hole in the wall." I don't need to. I've read plenty of her post backlogging the OOC, seeing the MH chat logs, and hearing from MULTIPLE users who are not the GMs in this guild about her behavior. She is a bully who takes everything out on everyone else to get her way. Did you see the chat logs in the MH chat before she erased them? Verbally abusing our GM, most of her guildies, and every facet of the guild. Then she threatens to quit. Don't make those threats if you don't want people to take them seriously.

'Monks' could have played Jewels. She could have done more with Ronan but she didn't. She called Harry over when I brought him in the destruction and then ignored me when I tried to interact with her. Did I throw a fit? DId I go on to a chat site not affiliated with this RP and trash her out to other guildies? No. You pull your adult undies on, act like a freaking adult, and move on.

Again, don't make threats and expect people to cow your bullying. She found out the hard way.

Harry Herne

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Hellene Harpie

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:23 pm


Marceline LaGhede
Monks had felt but were never willing to speak up about it. She finally did, and she got banned for it. So, yeah.
She didn't get banned for voicing concerns, she got banned because she is a petty, spiteful bully who has zero respect for people in the guild. That's not the first time she's gone on a tear either! It's a pattern of really nasty behavior. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

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If we're taking the time to complain about feeling left out or steamrolled, then you should take it as a clear indicator that we WANT to be here, take it constructively and try to make a change. Otherwise you'll just end up turning everybody off and either banning them or driving them out.


She never, not once, took the time out to contact myself in the RP in a constructive way. She never contact Shad either, but felt no qualms god-modding one of his characters so she could grab his powers for her own purposes. She apparently didn't contact Harry either, we can guess she also didn't talk to Peggy. If someone feels left out out, the way to deal with it isn't to go on a tirade in the MH chat. It isn't to make passive aggressive "woe is me" posts in the OOC thread. You contact people, you talk over your grievances like a rational person and you work out the issues. You can even do it publicly but you don't do it by ranting about how everyone is horrible.

She felt steamrolled? Ok, why? I have zero idea. Jewels became part of a story and then she never posted. The last post we have from Jewels is from November 20th. We kept waiting for posts that never happened, but Perry and Ronan, well they post just fine. Ok, she doesn't want to post with Jewels, but now we have to carry her. If we don't use Jewels, she rants that everyone ignores her. If we do, she rants that people use her. She has PLANS? What were they? I have no idea. You and I have been able to do back and forth PMs to discuss guild happenings, why can't she?

She wants to flip over the table when things don't go her way but we have no idea what her way is.

And finally, I have one thing to say about her feeling left out: she specifically told me to not use any of her characters. Ever. I was one of the "lucky" ones that got her ranting and screaming at me through PMs, insulting not only me, but the GMs and other guild members, all to the tune of how terrible I am and how "spineless" the rest of the RPers are. She told me that if she were running things, I would have been kicked out of the guild long ago. Other RPers contacted me to apologize, swearing they had nothing to do with her going off her nut. Everyone was walking on eggshells for fear she'd explode at them.

So I find little sympathy within myself for a woman who has alienated herself from multiple online communities and has now terribled herself out of yet another one.

I hope she takes some time to reflect on herself, grow up a little and maybe find some help. When she wasn't being a raging bully, she did add positives to the guild. I don't know what she needs but I hope she gets it, because her behavior isn't just mean, it's unhealthy.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:39 pm


I drafted my first post a few times and at some point there was a statement that went something like, "I don't know the whole story, but from my perspective..." so perhaps that should have been left in. This isn't the first time someone's complained about how the guild is run, though. Monks wasn't the only one with complaints here, she was just the only one to be really vocal about them. Not saying she handled them in the right manner, but that's her deal. The rest of us have had chats about these in private, sort of in a "Is it just me, or..." manner, and a few of us have had similar grievances... and they're almost always punctuated with, "Well I wanna say something, but I don't think the GMs will listen..." That being said, I think this is a good catalyst to hash out these grievances and try to take this guild in a more positive direction.

But look, I'll be blunt here. I have a lot that goes on in my personal life and it does hinder my ability to be very active in this guild; kudos to you, Harry, for being able to find the time in your busy day to do so, but don't assume you know enough about my life to compare it to yours. When I signed up for this, I had a LOT more free time to go around; with a full-time job and a part-time independent business I'm desperately trying to keep afloat, I have significantly less time to myself. There isn't a minimum post quota that has to be met, since this is, as Drake had said, supposed to be a fun, casual MH guild; but lately I've been feeling a LOT of pressure to post in here, which sort of contradicts the casual aspect of it. I really do try my best but my personal life has got me stressed to my breaking point, and that's not the best catalyst for any form of writing on my part. I want to be part of this RP, because it IS fun most of the time; but if I'm forced to make a post out of obligation, that sort of strips the fun aspect for me, which makes me want to post even less. Like I said, I try my best but I don't have enough hours in my day to do anything more; so if that's not enough, let me know and I'll bow out gracefully.

Marceline LaGhede

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 3:06 am


Monk did not tell me to post in here and start a war as a proxy. I chose to post myself. You are so quick to jump at the opportunity to put her down and kick her out instead of trying to fix the issue, I'm surprised you didn't ban me then and there as well.

The issue she complained about was the whole talking for the other person deal, and I kinda agree with her. When you are RPing with people and they consistently talk for you, it does make you not want to post. Whats the point? This isn't an RP at that point. That aspect of it was always strange to me how so many people were okay with it, and it seemed to work at times. But, when you've got people like Monk, who feel put out because everyone else plays for her, then theres a problem. You have to accommodate everyone to keep the guild busy and happy. And especially since this has already happened once , are we just going to let things go on?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:10 am


I was "quick" to jump down her throat? Quick?

This guild has been open for about a year and a half. In that time, I've easily blown through dozens of potential plot lines and given everyone multiple angles and chances to rp. I've changed things up, quickened and slowed the pace, done guild-wide angles and set up smaller events, and everyone has had the choice whether or not to participate in them.

And I still get told in insulting, passive-aggressive ways that everything I'm doing is wrong - and let's call a spade a spade here - I'm running EVERYTHING. Glen may co-own the guild, but I've initiated every storyline, given everyone ideas and suggestions, it's all on my back. And despite Monks claiming no one talks to her, I talked to her about EVERY storyline and idea I had.

After last week being a truly terrible week for me - and no, I don't share what goes on in my personal life with everyone, but, fine. My grandfather had a stroke. My car required many expensive repairs immediately at the same time my insurance came due. I'm buying the business I work for and was suddenly informed that I have to get all of my affairs in order before the end of the year, and not March like I was expecting. I have Christmas shopping, CHristmas decorating, family committments, work committments and half a dozen other things all on my head at the same time, necessitating that I not post in here for a few days...and when I come back online to Monsterhighdolls.com, I get to see a long, LONG, angry diatribe about how terrible everything I do in this guild is. By someone I thought was a friend. I'm tired of being treated with contempt, and I'm tired of giving her something to be so angry about. I cannot take it any more. I cannot. For weeks, I have not wanted to be on monsterhighdolls.com because I go away feeling sad and angry - because she's ALWAYS angry. About something. And it feels directed at everyone in there, and especially at me, because it always seems in every rant, something is tacked on about how awful, or boring, or slow the rp is.

I'm tired of her venomous attitude, I'm tired of feeling bad and I'm sick of dreading her reaction to everything. Yes, dreading. I've never had a friend who made me feel so consistently bad about the things I do or say.

So, no, this was not me being 'quick to criticize her.' This is me breaking down after many, many months of feeling like I'm just plain not good enough for some reason.

Marghoul, in regards to your concerns, since those are being aired out here, too, I've not said a single word to you since August about having to post in here. Every conversation we have had, I have made it clear that your ideas are great, and that you can control the pace of your angle - I told you that you're the leader here and everyone will follow your lead. Every suggestion you've given me, I've said you can go ahead with. I haven't pressured you to post, prodded or poked you, and I haven't mentioned your characters without you providing them in the setting first. Why do you feel stressed out and pressured to post with this setup? What is being done wrong by you right now?

Draconia St George
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Lin McGearloch

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:35 am


Skinny Sally

The issue she complained about was the whole talking for the other person deal, and I kinda agree with her.


But... she did it too. Many, many times. How can she complain about others doing the exact same thing she herself is guilty of doing? Talking for others, she's done it. God modding others characters, again, she's done it -- and complained about others doing it with her or someone else's characters. Is that fair?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:59 am


Skinny Sally
You are so quick to jump at the opportunity to put her down and kick her out instead of trying to fix the issue, I'm surprised you didn't ban me then and there as well.
What issues are we supposed to fix? Publicly in the guild, the only thing Monks has complained about is all passive aggressive "and now I'm going to leave" diatribes. She's never taken an issue to anyone except in the form of an extended rant. You can't work with that constructively. The only way I've found around it is stay out of the fight. She goes on rants all the time in the MH chat, who is supposed to know what is a thing she has a real gripe around and what is a thing she's just raving about because she in one of her moods?

The lack of activity was one thing she was complaining about, but people rarely post on weekends. That's a thing we're all basically aware of at this point. Weekends are slow if not at a standstill, people post during the week and the holidays are a time when everything slows down more. We know that too because this happened last year, and in fact this is when Monks had another giant blow up. She didn't get banned for that either. We can't make other people post, we can only post ourselves and hope other people do too. If at any point she wanted to come to someone and have a conversation, she could have, but she didn't. Instead, she had gripefests on another site entirely.

What in Draconia's temperament would ever say she'd ban anyone? A year and half of operation and NO ONE has been banned before. Not one person has been threatened with banning, inactive members don't get banned. People screw up, story lines get picked up and dropped, no one gets banned for not showing up or for getting something wrong, no one gets banned for asking questions. Meanwhile, I've seen Monks rage-suspend people on the MHchat for literally zero reason except they annoy her. That's one of the reasons I only rarely drop in there, because the chat room gets to be such an ocean of negativity.

Hellene Harpie


Marceline LaGhede

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:00 am


... not a single word since August, except all the passive-aggressive jabs in MHD chat about "Oh, I wish SOMEONE would post in the guild... Y'know MARCELINE might have something to say here..." which then devolves into you moaning about how inactive everyone is and getting on MY case for getting involved in a plot and then having s**t come up in my personal life that takes precedence. If I don't want to post, I don't appreciate you constantly nudging me to do so; if anything else, it makes me NOT want to post anything. What's worse is coming back to MHD and seeing a backlogged chat where you've complained that I can spend time in chat but not here... Being a Mod on that site imbued me with a bit of a responsibility to just be PRESENT there in case some kid when off on a rant, but I can assure you most days I just have the tab open and I'm off doing other things.

As far as the comment on god-modding... In the beginning, we voiced our complaints about it and were met with, "Well this is just the way we RP, so deal with it." So we've all adapted. I admit I've done it, but no more than like a handful of three-word sentences. I don't feel comfortable taking over other people's characters; it feels like I'm a little asshat kid snatching someone's Barbie from their hands and saying, "NO, THIS is how you play!!!"

And any other complaints I have... It has always felt like this is just the Main Three's RP and we're all backgrounders in it. The Trouble Tribe interacts with themselves; Drake, Hellene and Glen/Chase are their own clique. The only exception is Rory, but the rest of those three-person cliques hardly interact with anyone else except in the form of godmodding. And when there IS actual interaction, there's always this underlying mood of "I'm doing this wrong" permeating through the posts that follow. I signed up for this guild to have fun, not to feel like every step I take is the wrong one and "here, let me fix that for you the way I think it needs to be."

And now I'm late for work, so if you'll excuse me.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:26 am


Marceline LaGhede
... not a single word since August, except all the passive-aggressive jabs in MHD chat about "Oh, I wish SOMEONE would post in the guild... Y'know MARCELINE might have something to say here..." which then devolves into you moaning about how inactive everyone is and getting on MY case for getting involved in a plot and then having s**t come up in my personal life that takes precedence. If I don't want to post, I don't appreciate you constantly nudging me to do so; if anything else, it makes me NOT want to post anything. What's worse is coming back to MHD and seeing a backlogged chat where you've complained that I can spend time in chat but not here... Being a Mod on that site imbued me with a bit of a responsibility to just be PRESENT there in case some kid when off on a rant, but I can assure you most days I just have the tab open and I'm off doing other things.


I've tried very hard to be conscientious about not doing that for the last few months since you went off on me, if I've slipped up I do apologize. I do sometimes wish someone would post, but I haven't wanted to target anyone individually and I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable about it, because like you said, then you just feel less like posting.

I don't foresee a return to MHD chat for me at this point, so rest assured you won't have to hear it at all in the future.

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As far as the comment on god-modding... In the beginning, we voiced our complaints about it and were met with, "Well this is just the way we RP, so deal with it." So we've all adapted. I admit I've done it, but no more than like a handful of three-word sentences. I don't feel comfortable taking over other people's characters; it feels like I'm a little asshat kid snatching someone's Barbie from their hands and saying, "NO, THIS is how you play!!!"


If you don't want myself or anyone else to utilize your characters, please let me (or others) know, and respectfully, we won't. There may be minor things about getting characters placed, or having someone ask a question so it can be answered, but if it's a big issue, saying so directly to the person in a polite way should resolve it.

I love Marceline, and I've come to adore JD, so if I've been too eager to write for them, it's because I find them to be such fun characters. If I'm overdoing it, please do let me know. I have a habit of wanting to get to know other people's characters and imagining how they act, react, and operate. It's less 'snatching the Barbie' and more 'OMG, I wanna play with it toooo!' If it's an issue, tell me and I'll back off writing them.

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And any other complaints I have... It has always felt like this is just the Main Three's RP and we're all backgrounders in it. The Trouble Tribe interacts with themselves; Drake, Hellene and Glen/Chase are their own clique. The only exception is Rory, but the rest of those three-person cliques hardly interact with anyone else except in the form of godmodding. And when there IS actual interaction, there's always this underlying mood of "I'm doing this wrong" permeating through the posts that follow. I signed up for this guild to have fun, not to feel like every step I take is the wrong one and "here, let me fix that for you the way I think it needs to be."

And now I'm late for work, so if you'll excuse me.


This sort of thing happens in a big multi-person rp, and the problem is compounded by a few things. In a large roleplay, everyone has different ideas of where they may want to go with an idea, and they may not always match up. Sometimes you make adjustments to reach your goal via your post, sometimes you just nod and roll with what the other person is doing. If you have a big frustration, please let me (or the person you're having the issue with) know so it can get ironed out.

I hope this at least starts to address your issues, and if there's anything else you need from me, or if I need a tongue-lashing, please hit me up via PM and I'll try my best to address it further.

Draconia St George
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:51 pm


Lin McGearloch

Hellene Harpie


I wasn't speaking to either of you. I do not plan to attack everyone, I am just voicing my opinions.

Draconia St George


I am sorry you are going through a hard time. But, honestly, everyone has troubles. You can't just use that as an excuse (though it is a valid one) and expect everything to be fine.

The biggest issue i see with what you are saying, and this is my personal opinion, is that you are doing TOO MUCH on your own. You say you did this and you did that to help the guild. Well, if its THAT much of a stress, why don't you try to GET HELP running the guild? Why do you insist on doing it on your own? And then wonder why people get disgruntled
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