Mostly so I could set up a gateway in each village and essentially make Sunagakure capable of infiltrating any of the other villages completely without detection unless someone shines a torch on the shadow he bound to the area. Simply by binding a bit of his own shadow to a place with a simple technique, he'd be able to travel back to it. It would allow us to become a power capable of counteracting most of the other villages.
If that were acceptable, could I expend twice the amount of chakra ( Equal to Kuchiyose and Shadow imitation cast twice ) and bring only one other person through with me at most? It would be amazingly useful for me and Panthers to work as a team, rapid transport mixed with an assassin would be an amazing asset to have as a village.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:39 pm
I must say, it's disturbing how many things you ask for, saying you plan to use them to Sunagakure's benefit, by attacking another village... I don't foresee a war in Suna's future for at least another six months, probably more. We're way too undermanned, in ALL of the villages to support that.
Anyways, no, I don't think I, or anyone else really, can approve a talent capable of, or created for the express purpose of, teleporting you undetected into an enemy village. Especially with the intention of bringing along an assassin.
Plus, that would be a technique anyways, not a talent. Having seen what happens when you do, I'm making an effort not to allow talents that take the place of highly advanced techniques like that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:50 pm
It isn't that much, merely the capability of placing a portion of his shadow, much like you would a seal, and then allowing for rapid transport between the two places, with the possibility of bringing another human through. It is one thing, just expanded, since you'd have obviously asked if it allowed more than me to pass through if I made it a technique, rather than a talent.
Not necessarily undetected, someone could see Raphael coming out of a large shadowy portal through time and space. But I was just wondering.
Okay. I guess I'll have to think of something else for Raphael to use.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:28 pm
Hinote has suggested a moderator steps in to help get this moving so Okey dokie here it goes: Luo needs to make edits allowing for use of a matching set of handseals and the time required to complete them.
Most of the other issues have either already been taken care of or aren't that important so the rest of this post will be in spoiler form. If you wish to reopen any of this then please do so in PM or the Debate forum where it belongs.
Luo: -It has been determined that all jutsu require handeals unless otherwise stated clearly in the jutsu (Or Bloodline/Clan). I beleive this is one of the rules which never got written down, but it is a safe ruling nonetheless. I am sure you are aware that our jutsu lists are not as refined as they should be, so going on implication is dangerous.
Cobra: -Since Luo made the post before changes were made, anything which was valid at the time should not be forced to follow the updated rules. This should be said however it doesn't apply here anyways since it hasn't changed anything, but merely clarified. -You already acknowledged the bridge thing, but yes that was important. -I appreciate your apology, though it wasn't to me -Hinote really hates this about me sometimes but... "Rules are there to prevent people who can't control or balance themselves appropriately in an RP" I'm going to call total BS on this one. In order for the guild to remain balanced and not broken everyone needs to follow the same rules. On rare occasions there may be exceptions, but even those usually have strict perameters and a matching weakness. If you have broken rules, whether it actually breaks RP or not, you should be called on it. If nothing else it gives others the "Well Person X did this" excuse. Actually Tim said this pretty darn well, so I'll leave this be for now.
Tim: -If you would be so kind as to PM me the offending approvals, I'll take a look. Or you could do as Hinote suggested and open a thread in the debate forum. -"Welcome to my world..." You say similar things all the time about everyone picking on you, so I'll just say this right now. This is only because you keep making errors etc, not because everyone in the guild hates you. -Tim you have probably been the meanest of those participating, and if you can't control your temper then don't post. You have made several good points and brought up important matters on the side, but there are better ways of presenting yourself.
Hinote: -Tim has a point on Kye's talent. How did that get passed? -Sorry I took so long.
Everyone: -I am already annoyed that this battle/debate has gone on as long as it has, and the fact that I am of a lesser status than two of you makes it even more annoying that I have to say this. If you aren't trying to find a solution, or mutual understanding, then you need to shut up. No, you haven't been swearing every word or anything but you aren't exactly showing your best sides either, and you definitely seem to be trying to win an argument more than fix the problem.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:19 pm
The talent was passed quite some time ago. I can't remember all the details of why it was deemed acceptable, since I do most of my judgements for Cobra's stuff in IM and did so with that one. However, unlike Tim's insinuation it was also not breaking any rules, since said rule did not, and still does not exist. (My saying I won't allow it in future doesn't make it a pre-existing rule.)
Regardless, the talent has been redone and taken care of. For everyone's sake, I'm not going to say any more on the matter except in the case of said debate thread, because quite honestly I'm still rather upset about what I've read here and if I get started on it, it won't end quickly, nor well.
Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:22 pm
@ Hikaro Hinote is taking a look at the things that have been called into question, and I haven't looked at the revisions beyond what he did with Kye's talent. I'm very satisfied with the revised version, didn't take up much of the benefit, but took out the immense power it had before.
I'm sorry, it just tends to seem that way when people get angry at me before even asking if I meant something. Kinda like with Hissei.
Sorry, I don't mean to be offensive or mean, it's just how I talk. I've tried to edit how I talk, but honestly it was getting annoying since both of my characters are severely limited as to what they can do. I'll try to put more effort into editing my sentences to use the least amount of offensive material in them.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:51 pm
Would a hidden crossbow be too close to that one thing that Shikaku uses?
Otherwise I'm just going to have Raphael carrying around a regular crossbow and using that.
Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:55 am
Can't comment on your crossbow idea's pass-ability as a custom, I am not that familiar with custom weapons. However I feel I should mention, my second RPC was going to be an archer (just traditional bows not crossbows) when I realized arrows/bolts would be about as useless as kunai are. You can almost guarantee that you will almost never get a hit. With words and ninja magic it's just too easy to dodge when you know exactly where the arrow (or in this case bolt) is directed and when it is fired. Food for thought.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:40 am
Actually I once Enro is at a rank wher he can freely leave the village, I will have him carry either a bow or concealable crossbow. It won't be much use in Suna because the winds will eff up your trajectory to hell...
However, in any other location you better believe enemies can be hit by an arrow. Arrows are launched much faster than kunai and if you create a custom style you can boost your skill with techniques that increase the speed of your arrow, reduce redrawing speed, muffle the sound of your arrow.
Honestly few ninja should be able to pull of handseals quick enough to defend against an arrow even if they have the reflexes to see them coming.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:00 am
One of my favorite bandit NPC designs is an archer.
Edit: Done right, the winds in wind country wouldn't be as harmful as you might think. An archer born, raised, trained, and practiced in those winds would know, for one, how to compensate and still reach their target. Add in wind ninjutsu and you can make the winds word for you, making the arrow faster, sharper, and even let it change direction to some degree, using the right jutsu.
@Timmy: The kunai launcher crossbow is designed to be hidden easily. However, as a Kumo tech, good luck getting a hold of one with Raphael.
But no, considering how common such a weapon would be it shouldn't be too hard to come up with a custom weapon for it, or even a guildwide one for the normal version rather than my kunai launcher design. The launcher has right in the description that it's based on military technology after all, so it's not that great a leap to come up with said original.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:43 am
Okay, I was kinda wanting the crossbow for a hidden weapon since Raphael will more than likely need it at some point. Since he isn't good at close range fighting unless he has a blade in his hands, and even then he is at the most average.
@ Hikaro I'm not too sure, like Martin said, the bolt is going at speeds that would be much faster than a thrown kunai. ( I'd say around B rank speeds myself, but that might be pushing it a bit. ) The people who catch arrows either spend time moving as soon as they perceive the arrow to dodge, or try and catch it. Any error, and they could suffer extreme damage, or even death.
@ Hinote Ah, thank you. ^.^ I was just worried that if I wrote it up, that it might be rejected due to the similarity between it and the Kunai launcher. If I do go for the hidden one, would it still have the possibility of being allowed the grappling hook, or would I need to have a light crossbow for that? ( I really don't want Raphael to be lugging around a heavy crossbow, that's 40 extra pounds of solid wood I don't want him having to deal with. )
Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:01 pm
I doubt a normal crossbow could handle a grappling hook. They really aren't something meant to be fired from such a device. The one I designed works, because it's in the form of a kunai and fired by a kunai launcher, but I can't see you pulling off a crossbow bolt grappling device. (The launcher itself also has nothing to do with the grappling bit. That's another bit of custom/Kumo tech, which I don't think you can quite get away with replicating. Not without at least having a copy of the original to copy in game.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 6:25 pm
Okay, so my hidden, batman-esque grappling crossbow isn't possible. xD
I guess that I'll just have to use and actual grappling hook in order to climb buildings. But thank you for telling me before I expended the effort in making it. ^>^
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:55 pm
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Im sorry that I used such harsh tone in my arguments, you're right, you don't deserve to be talked to in that way and I apologize.
Allow me to say that the part about appearing behind you was a misunderstanding on my part. I thought that David had created a platform of sand over the entire pit, so going behind you would have been possible. I have edited my post/attack position accordingly.
However, as to your point on the hand seals, and I have mentioned this to you several times... I will admit that the use of hand seals is not specified... but as Hinote mentioned, this should not indicate that they are not needed, quite the opposite really.
Just to reiterate... I am officially telling you that you NEED hand seals to use that jutsu. That is simply the way it is. You can not execute that technique before Shinji gets to you... and honestly, in fairness to me and my post, you should really just respond to my attack without assuming you have time for another technique.
It's alright. I understand being frustrated, especially when things are not quite clear. Lets try and keep that sort of stuff to a minimum though.
Expect an edit by the morning. I'd say 11:30am. I went from flying home after visiting with family straight into working all morning, so I'm gonna try and get a little done in a few important areas and turn in early.
Expect an edit by the morning. I'd say 11:30am. I went from flying home after visiting with family straight into working all morning, so I'm gonna try and get a little done in a few important areas and turn in early.
Cool, thanks.
...please quote me in this thread when you make the edit, so I know it's done and can respond accordingly.
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