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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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 Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:19 pm
So, I'm sitting here eating my supper, in the basement, encased in concrete, and the floor starts shaking all over the place. Fun.
@Greg: Yeah, I got that notice.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:27 pm
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:30 pm
Oh, it was. Reading Twitter afterwards is also fun.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:01 pm
Was there any cracking after in the concrete? If so, you might want to fix it before the next one, otherwise it could be exhilarating.
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:04 pm
Never got a notification either, how horrible of gaia to do that when it's most important. I apologize, I had a self-imposed sabbatical. By self-imposed I mean my job and sleep schedule simply did not allow for me to touch my computer for long enough to do or say anything truly efficient. I had time to correct my schedule, so all is well now. Now, Hinote I can't accept that for the sheer fact that there is a clear pause between the creation of the second pair of ropes, and the creation of the hands. And that is of course where you speak. It's so clear, it's the only thing in the entire post in color. So, no these two actions did not and could not have happened at such a simultaneous rate, at least the way it is written. You guys have to remember, I have to take in four posts, digest them all, and respond to all of them in ONE post, efficiently, and in a manner which allows for every post to be regarded in correct succession as well as in full. So when I see in a post that a jutsu is created, then you speak, then another one is created, that is the sequential order I have to take it as. It may very well have been an odd error in the way you wrote the post versus the way you meant to write the post, but as the person who has to read four posts and respond accordingly, I don't have the luxury of trying to interpret your true intentions in such a situation. I have the time to simply read all, digest it, and respond in a hopefully timely fashion. So I can edit my post and simply draw metal from my own pockets and cut the ropes to make that section more legitimate than it was, however I can't in all good faith concede to a decision such as the one you proposed when your post is definitive proof that I have the time to make such actions. ((Forgot to quote you there cobra, sorry about that.))
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:50 pm
Why am I being quoted? I'm just the guy over there with his throat being closed up by lighting shocks, waiting for my turn to post about how I'm in so much pain, maybe throw a weapon or command the Kyodaija. If anything, you should be quoting cobra.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:02 am
Luo1304 Now, Hinote I can't accept that for the sheer fact that there is a clear pause between the creation of the second pair of ropes, and the creation of the hands. And that is of course where you speak. It's so clear, it's the only thing in the entire post in color. So, no these two actions did not and could not have happened at such a simultaneous rate, at least the way it is written. Luo1304 You guys have to remember, I have to take in four posts, digest them all, and respond to all of them in ONE post, efficiently, and in a manner which allows for every post to be regarded in correct succession as well as in full. So when I see in a post that a jutsu is created, then you speak, then another one is created, that is the sequential order I have to take it as. It may very well have been an odd error in the way you wrote the post versus the way you meant to write the post, but as the person who has to read four posts and respond accordingly, I don't have the luxury of trying to interpret your true intentions in such a situation. I have the time to simply read all, digest it, and respond in a hopefully timely fashion.
1. Initial Sand Rope attacks
2. David makes first comment to Shinji about Jishaku to Shinji
3. Shinji starts to hallucinate and flashback via David's comment
4. Jishaku cuts ropes and attacks Yamatano
5. Second strands from Sand ropes and Sand Arms jutsu is launched
6. David makes second comment to Shinji
7. Shinji loses it, drops all his metal and charges (Note: He is no longer attacking with a weapon, nor does he have any metal on him... and both of the weapons he dropped are customs)
8. Yamatano's snake lunges to swallow both Shinji and Jishaku.
The window for your post HAS to occur somewhere between points 5 and 8
...as we can see however, Shinji launches his attack VERY quickly after the Sand Arms jutsu is launched. Augmentations activate at will. So you have at most, the 3 seconds it takes for Shinji to drop his weapons and a few pouches.
You have Sand Ropes & Sand Arms to contend with, and not long after... about 5 seconds later (at the most)... a raging Konaga and a Giant Snake.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:21 am
Cobra_X Luo1304 Now, Hinote I can't accept that for the sheer fact that there is a clear pause between the creation of the second pair of ropes, and the creation of the hands. And that is of course where you speak. It's so clear, it's the only thing in the entire post in color. So, no these two actions did not and could not have happened at such a simultaneous rate, at least the way it is written. Luo1304 You guys have to remember, I have to take in four posts, digest them all, and respond to all of them in ONE post, efficiently, and in a manner which allows for every post to be regarded in correct succession as well as in full. So when I see in a post that a jutsu is created, then you speak, then another one is created, that is the sequential order I have to take it as. It may very well have been an odd error in the way you wrote the post versus the way you meant to write the post, but as the person who has to read four posts and respond accordingly, I don't have the luxury of trying to interpret your true intentions in such a situation. I have the time to simply read all, digest it, and respond in a hopefully timely fashion.
1. Initial Sand Rope attacks
2. David makes first comment to Shinji about Jishaku to Shinji
3. Shinji starts to hallucinate and flashback via David's comment
4. Jishaku cuts ropes and attacks Yamatano
5. Second strands from Sand ropes and Sand Arms jutsu is launched
6. David makes second comment to Shinji
7. Shinji loses it, drops all his metal and charges (Note: He is no longer attacking with a weapon, nor does he have any metal on him... and both of the weapons he dropped are customs)
8. Yamatano's snake lunges to swallow both Shinji and Jishaku.
The window for your post HAS to occur somewhere between points 5 and 8
...as we can see however, Shinji launches his attack VERY quickly after the Sand Arms jutsu is launched. Augmentations activate at will. So you have at most, the 3 seconds it takes for Shinji to drop his weapons and a few pouches.
You have Sand Ropes & Sand Arms to contend with, and not long after... about 5 seconds later (at the most)... a raging Konaga and a Giant Snake.Cobra, that sequence of events is incorrect. I didn't think I'd have to pull direct quotes from Hinote's post, but here is the timeline as I see it based on the post: Hinote Tosatsu David stopped entirely at that, just standing and watching as the man threw the boy aside. Then the man reached for a kunai to cut himself free of the rest of the ropes, and that was where he'd meet his surprise. The second his hand touched his pouch, one of the cut off strands of rope wrapped around it, tightening and yanking the arm behind his back. Simultaneously, another set of ropes leaped from the earth below, one aimed to wrap around his neck and pull him backwards, a second to grab for the other freed arm, and two more wrapping around the torso after the rest had done their work and holding them all in place. Jishaku's mistake was simple. He cut himself free of one rope, and ignored the rest until it was too late. The one he had cut was still able to do it's work, returning to take hold, and David had plenty of time while the man was distracted with his own ego to run through the seals again. This is the first initation of ropes, plain and clear as day. He forms the seals AS Jishaku is talking. Hinote Tosatsu But it was evident that the ropes weren't enough. Even if he didn't break free on brute force, which would take some time now thanks to the sheer number on him, he had an unusual ability. One that, going only by what he'd done to Yamatano, and said to Shinji, David had to assume was similar to what the boy, Laxus, had shown in the tower. Magnetism. How interesting that the man attacking his village had the same power that was believed to have destroyed Iwagakure. "Shinji, I have an odd feeling that this man knows what happened to your village. You did say something about floating metal, didn't you?" Yet again, that cruel smirk crawled onto David's face. Even if this wasn't the right man, that would tell Shinji both his assumption that magnetism was involved, protecting him from that, and enrage him perfectly to pound this fool to a fine paste. But of course, that required that he didn't break free, and his ropes were oh so vulnerable to bladed floating weapons it seemed. THIS is where David speaks. Notice, that there is no initiation of sand arms. Hinote Tosatsu Running through a series of seals Jishaku wouldn't recognize so easily, David smiled wider as sand pumped up through the ropes, enlarging them temporarily and then growing outwards, a multitude of sand formed arms growing out of the ropes, grabbing hold of Jishaku wherever they pleased. Some wrapped all the way around him, grabbing hold of each other and pulling tighter, others would reach out grabbing for his other arm if it had escaped the ropes, dragging it back into line. Some grasped hold of the man's tool pouch, holding it shut just in case he tried to use magnetism to free his weapons. One pair even reached out to grab hold of his head and twist it, hoping to snap the man's neck, despite David's (Fading) wish to keep the man at least partially alive. HERE is where the initiation of the jutsu officially begins. AFTER he has spoken. Hinote Tosatsu "Shinji, turn him to paste please?" David spoke once he was done, and focused on holding the arms in place. And then here is where there is an added measurement of time to allow me to escape. Because I have to assume that you (Shinji) have yet to move until this point. You've become enraged and you're about to attack after David's mention of Iwa, he binds Jishaku, and then says this to you presumably before you strike.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:30 am
I should be clear. I didn't mean the full sequence of events you put forth was incorrect, just the absence of time between David speaking the first time, and then his initiation of the second jutsu.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:49 am
My list shows ALL of the events you listed in the exact order you just quoted them. The second comment to Shinji comes after the creation of the Sand Arms. We both agree to this.
Your window is between the Creation of the Sand Arms (Point 5) and Shinji's attack (Point 7/8 ) .
...my point is that the period of time between those two actions is like 5 seconds, or some very short amount of time.
...The gap between his initiation of the Sand Arms and you're actions is EXTREMELY short as it occurs JUST as you free yourself from some of the ropes, tossing Yamatano aside, and have yet to free yourself of ALL the sand ropes.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:07 am
Cobra_X My list shows ALL of the events you listed in the exact order you just quoted them. The second comment to Shinji comes after the creation of the Sand Arms. We both agree to this.
Your window is between the Creation of the Sand Arms (Point 5) and Shinji's attack (Point 7/8 ) .
...my point is that the period of time between those two actions is like 5 seconds, or some very short amount of time.
...The gap between his initiation of the Sand Arms and you're actions is EXTREMELY short as it occurs JUST as you free yourself from some of the ropes, tossing Yamatano aside, and have yet to free yourself of ALL the sand ropes. I apologize, by giving both jutsu the same instance without mention of the first spoken words I misconstrued what you had written as happening simultaneously. Your point is valid and I'll edit accordingly, however I think I can manage with the time frame given.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:31 am
Luo1304 Your point is valid and I'll edit accordingly, however I think I can manage with the time frame given.
(P.s. You're Awesome.)
(P.s.s. I mean, not as Awesome as me, but still, several levels of Awesome in your own right ninja )
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:57 am
Cobra_X Luo1304 Your point is valid and I'll edit accordingly, however I think I can manage with the time frame given.
(P.s. You're Awesome.)
(P.s.s. I mean, not as Awesome as me, but still, several levels of Awesome in your own right ninja )Of course! I'll probably quote my edit once it's finished.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:12 pm
The segmentation of paragraphs does NOT directly effect the timeline of a post. The sand arms are created immediately after the ropes, and during David's speech. The ONLY reason they aren't mentioned in the same paragraph, or even before, is because I wanted to mention cause before effect. The intent of the post was there. I can accept that it is vague, which is why I have no issue with clarifying it. However to continue to claim the wrong timeline because of how you interpret it is wrong. And if it really causes that much confusion and desire to basically ignore chunks of my post, I can easily edit one sentence, adding four words and editing one, to make it perfectly clear.
If you need proof that the simultaneous nature of the actions was intended, simply look to the paragraph before David spoke to Shinji. While it derails a bit, leading into his motivation for speaking to Shinji, it also makes reference to the ropes not being enough to hold him. David's motivation for the arms.
Now, if you want, I can make that minor edit. But please, don't claim my post means something other than what I intended it as to try and evade it. You said it would be effective if the timing was right. I have explained the timing. Please, accept that, and at least change tactics.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:22 pm
I edited my post with Raphael finally, just so you know,it makes more sense now, and it doesn't alter any need for missions after this is all done and over with.
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