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Kennie is a chuunin actually. And I personally would love to see what happens when Sora gets knocked around a bit and lets loose.

Anyways, since Kensei pulled back, we only really need to wait for Sora, unless someone drags him back into it.

And I do back up Cobra's sentiments that with so many people, you need to keep close track of the fight and post as soon as you're able. If you're unable to keep up posting, try and pull yourself out of the main fight, and thus, posting order, until you're better able.

Let me get this straight... First you phase through the rope that stops your hand from getting to your kunai pouch, get rid of the one going after your other hand by... Slapping it? Shooing it away? Then cut up all the new ones despite the fact they were made before you got your kunai and would have begun their work by then, summon weapons from a fair distance away to cut up the few you couldn't get by hand. And then you magically replace yourself with a clone without David noticing despite using a very blatant method, to where he still wastes chakra using the sand arms which were also grown before you could have gotten the kunai, then end by unleashing your iron sand?

Do I have to list the ways that post is messed up? Or shall I just say the first and ask you to please stop basically godmodding this fight?

David started the second set of ropes while you weren't even paying attention. The first set, used to recapture your hand, was lying in wait even before that and would, despite any claims of speed you'd like to argue, have at least delayed by pure surprise long enough for the second set to at least begin to bind you. The hands then come along about the time you'd start reacting, at which point the only truly valid part of your post would be the flying kunai.

Beyond that, I'm beginning to tire of the trend beginning, that you manage to defend against or block anything that comes against you, and then perform ten moves of your own (Exaggeration, but still.) with no regard to any followup that the other fighters could and would have used in that time, forcing us to either bite the bullet and allow you to do whatever you want, or invalidate the majority of your post.

Yeah, I have to agree with Hinote... I think there is a disconnect between the speed in which you can cut the ropes (if you can effectively cut them) and the speed at which you can control the metal around you to do so. Bringing metal to you isn't instantaneous... its not slow, but tis certainly not any faster then a Jounin.

Also, on top of that, you used TWO separate ninjutsu (which Im not 100% sure you can do without the combo type)... and that is really pushing in terms of beating Shinji's speed, especially when hes moving faster then you are capable of moving or reacting.

Forgive me if I'm brief, but I just noticed you'd responded in my final check before going to bed, and should have gone to bed two hours ago, so I'm just going to try and respond point by point on the important bits.

If the genin did actively interfere, I would most likely have come up with a way to dissuade them. However, since the genin have stayed back, leaving it to myself and chuunin to fight, I haven't tried to dissuade them purely because David truly isn't ready for a battle on this scale. Not one on one. If I'm to be totally honest he's barely at chuunin level in terms of jutsu available to him. Now that Shinji has joined in though, and if it does turn out that this attack fails in the end, I'll most likely come up with some way to remove the others to some degree. You already took Yamatano out of the equation, for a few posts at least, and something can likely be done to smooth things out with Kensei too. (@Greg and Ken: I have nothing against either of you or your involvement in the fight. It's just very tedious trying to organize a fight with so very many people. In just this instance, Luo's post completely invalidates most of my own, as well as the entirety of Cobra's (Since David's reaction would not continue to send Shinji in if Jishaku's actions panned out that way.). Basically everyone but Greg loses chunks of their posts, his only surviving because he ignored my own and Cobra's when he wrote his anyways.)

Unfortunately allowing them to leave the village during the battle, while unfortunately inconvenient for many reasons, would also be a major transgression against logic and common sense, at least in my eyes, and thusly David's. Yamatano much less than the Kumo nin, but still relevant.

The sand arms, despite the unfortunate fact that it's difficult to portray without redundant and generally unnecessary extra exposition, were meant to be performed simultaneously to speaking to Shinji. Proving my sometimes horrible memory, I actually thought I had included them BEFORE talking to him at that. Regardless, they are done immediately after the ropes, and at the same time as speaking.

I say that your post basically assumes that David didn't see the change, because for some reason he continues to use the sand arms, despite it now being useless and a waste of chakra. If in fact your escape had gone as described, he wouldn't have used the sand arms at all, or made Shinji attack, instead focusing on recapturing you with the ropes first. That is why I said before that Cobra's entire post would be invalid.

Moving to the rope vs hand speed, the rope does not wait for your hand to get to the pouch before it starts moving. I may, again, have been lax in the description, but it was meant to be implied that it was waiting at the pouch. As for the ropes speeding up, no they don't, but I have to wonder if it'd be possible. Unfortunately the Ichibi sand manipulation doesn't include such points as speed and strength, facts I count as oversight on my own part that I may remedy in future. If it did, I'd say it could be possible to speed them up by transferring their control to sand manipulation rather than purely jutsu. (I may also add max range to sand manipulation if I do go back to edit it more, in reference to some degree to the trick I used on the sharks. With that kind of power there should be a range limit. Probably similar to or even the same as the jiton range.)

(Random fun fact: Shinji is actually moving at AB speed. Fun fact part two: His max speed using Konaga enhancements is actually AA, since in this post he's suffering a -1 rank deduction from his pain rank.)

I'm not sure why you're referencing the jiton in response to which ropes caught your hands? However this is a good opportunity to mention that, as far as I recall, Shinji had not dropped his weapons before David spoke to him. With that in mind, your post actually steals his dropped weapons BEFORE he drops them. While it's not too far fetched to say you could summon them, since range wasn't well established there, it would be considerably harder while they were still on his person.

(David didn't turn to Shinji at all. I specifically state this in the last paragraph, but it's unclear in the initial speech. He spends the entire time focusing on Jishaku and the multiple high focus techniques he's using on him.)

I was unaware of the ninjutsu specialist seal benefit. It seems to have returned to memory though now that you've mentioned it, since I do now recall turning it down when I originally designed Yasashii, since I had support type already, rendering it mostly pointless. However a new question arises with that. With David pumping chakra into that portion of sand to bring up ropes and arms and all that, I'm not sure Jishaku could actually have used the technique, since that would require going through sand imbued with David's chakra, even if you had removed the ropes successfully.

However I'd also like to note that the second you went under the sand David would have reactivated sand sight, and the ropes would actually be faster than you underground, not to mention they could form from seemingly nowhere if I just made new ones. Or even the fun fallback of using the same exact trick as I used on the sharks, since it worked on the assumption that they move in basically the same method as that jutsu. (Not a fault in your post, but a fun side note, and an extra point to my earlier statement that making posts that assume too much and make reactions impossible screw everyone else over in that they can't do what they WOULD do.)

Oddly enough, I hadn't even considered that you shouldn't have been able to use two techniques along with everything else...

And down to your final paragraph, I refer again to the timing on the hands being simultaneous to speaking. The transition between ropes and hands was meant to be basically seamless, since he knew quite well after the first time that the ropes weren't enough to hold you fully.

Most of the moral of this post seems to be that I need to work on being a tad bit more clear in my sometimes less than optimally descriptive machinations. =/

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Timmy's character is indeed the one performing rescue operations. I seriously need to get a post up for him, since he's been waiting on me for awhile now... I maaaay have stretched myself a bit thin again. Good thing I haven't gone and started up in any other guilds or I'd really be in trouble.

@Natsumi: Since we can't really say just yet how long this fight will take (Depending on Luo's edits, it could end in the next round or take another month. Personally I sort of hope it ends sooner than later, since it's only reminding me that David needs serious amounts of training at this point.) it'd be better for you to go ahead and pick someplace to post rather than waiting and hoping for something to come along. Once I get Yasashii going again (Along with Timmy's character) I can easily maneuver events to join you into that little operation if you'd like, or you could run alone for a bit if you'd prefer. (Or seek out someone else to help along, since it's hard to be active alone.)

And now... I go to bed!

gaia_diamond Acccctually, I did post. Quite a few days ago at the hospital. Seeing as how I'm a medical/support type, and a lowly genin (as it's coming to my knowledge) I figured that is where I would be best posting without causing any uproar. This also leads people who are lingering around, wanting to be "a part of the storyline" without, actually being "in" the storyline, to post something related to the attacks. (You know, buildings falling, etc etc). But, like you said, it's hard to be active alone and responding to myself just hadn't come to mind since I just was more involved in reading up on things going on around Suna. I like to absorb my atmosphere and learn a bit about how things go before I go plunging into a role-play. Mostly because I don't want to have to end up like most and editing my post x3 or more times.

However, I will post something different tonight, on account of an invitation. gaia_diamond

...I see a decided lack of resolution or discussion regarding Luo's last post and the overall fight.

- It has been over a week.

- There are 6 separate RPCs frozen in the event.

- The overall plot of the guild is frozen in this fight

...this one fight is KILLING activity. Either several members of the fight back off (regardless of how little RP sense it makes), or we progress this fight forward quickly or we risk re-killing a large portion of our active population.

Yea, I didn't get a notification from Cobra's post, either.

Have you guys had any contact with Luo outside of the initial debate in this thread? Because the next posts hinge on you guys coming to an agreement regarding that.

I must vote against this. While I am as eager as anyone to resume RPing, you cannot just autohit, especially for a possible kill, unless you are certain that the RPC/NPC is no longer in use and will not be in use again, either by user termination/leaving or an outright statement that the character is abandoned.

That eight day autohit thing is true, but that is in the instance that the offending party has not posted. In this instance, Luo, the one who would be receiving the detrimental effect of this autohit, HAS posted, and it is you who filed a discrepancy with it. In addition, its technically your turn to post, which means that you're the reason a post hasn't been made in eight days. While I am mostly in agreement with you regarding the previously mentioned discrepancy, the fact of the matter is that Luo is the last one who posted, and calling the eight day rule on him is not valid. I say you PM him directly to continue the debate about who was in the right on this matter, but an autohit would not be justifiable.

That one worked, did this?