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ok this might clear things up
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whatev'...Aeris only liked Cloud cause he reminds her of Zack..the one she really loves...who was she with at the end of advent children...?..It was Zack...Now Cloud and Tifa have been friends for along time..and Tifas always been there for him and always will...Cloud promised her that if she ever need a hero he'd be there to save her...and he has saved her multiple times...besides Aeris is dead now so shes out of the picture...unless dateing spirts is ok...
stare ...Youve just been proven wrong...good day to you...
ok hun you havent proved anything. and listen aerith at first was drawn to Cloud becuase he was similar to Zack but she grew to love Cloud as an individual not as a copy of Zack. because she began to realize that she no longer loved Zack. Which is the same for Tifa. Do you actually think tifa loved cloud the moment she saw him? I dont think so..the night of their "promise" she wasnt all intersted in Cloud I mean she even came late. Tifa was the popular type that really didnt look at Cloud any different then any of the other guys. ok wow they have been friends for a long time...and that's how their realtionship has stayed which is pretty obvious. wow he saved her multiple times so that means he loves her? so you're saying since vincent saved elena and tseng that he loves them? I dont think so. Cloud rescued her as he would any other friend becuase he has the hero complex
"aeris is dead so she's out of the picture" this is so stupid I would've thought you'd be mature enough to not say that. eh so naive. Love is not just lets go on a date and make beautiful babies! Death doesnt stop love, because love isnt just physcial. love is a bond between two people.yes Cloud loves Tifa but as friends becuase thats all he sees their relationship as, here are some solid examples from advent
children:
-Cloud's dying, but he doesn't seem to care about spending the time he has left with Tifa. Since most people want to spend the time they have left with the people they love, it doesn't seem that he loves her.
- Cloud doesn't tell Tifa that he has Geostigma and doesn't tell her that he moved into the Church. Why is he hiding things from her if he loves her?
- If Cloud's hiding things from Tifa, he apparently doesn't feel understood by her.
- Cloud lets the answering machine pick up messages from Tifa instead of answering the phone. He seems unwilling to communicate with her, which doesn't show that he loves her.
- Cloud chooses to talk to Aerith's spirit about his need for forgiveness instead of talking to Tifa about it, which shows that he feels better understood by Aerith and that he has greater trust in her
also after the incident in nebleiheim(sp?) Cloud stated that he thought Tifa died. Then 5 years later he GOT OVER IT. hmm....I wonder why? yes he was sad that she passed away but he got over it! not like for aerith becuase he couldn't forgive himself maybe becuase he knew that he had started to develop feelings for her besides friendship.
plus tifa and cloud are alike in many ways. they both keep their feelings to themselves so in a relationship they really couldn't progress. Tifa is also clingy and insecure and cloud cant always control his emotions either. Tifa babbles on about wanting to help each but Cloud just cant do that because of his insecurties and since tifa is alike what will happen next? aerith unlike tifa isnt afraid to show her emotions so she would actually be able to help Cloud overcome his fears and faults. and the most apparent example of this is the ending of advent children when Cloud changes from being all emo to being happy.
also cloud and tifa would be like squall with quistis
which is a relationship that would never work
lastly throughout ffvii many things point to cloud and aerith such as:
cait sith's prediction
cloud's mom telling him that he'd be best with an older girl
the ending of ffvii when he says I think I can meet her there
so I think you should reconsider who was proven wrong. and if you reply whatev`then that just proves my point
xp what now?
ninja pshh..may I remind you Aeris is dead and shes with Zack now...so ha...AerisxZack
CloudxTifa...end of discution...I dont wanna wate my time anymore...
umm did you just not read anything I wrote? I think that you're just stubborn becuase I'm right and you're wrong. ok you're completely and udderly stupid! ok wow...so if tifa dies then cloud will go for yuffie?! huh huh??!?!
BAKA!!! oh and use spell check next time?
you waste your time? I dont think so. I'm the one schooling some noob
and lets see
vincent and lucrecia: ok vincent loved lucrecia even after death and her marriage!
I dont think that his 'enternal sleep' was because he was tired
tidus and yuna: tidus dies and do you think that yuna just gives up and doesnt love him anymore?
and I was right saying pssh just proves I'm right]
ok wow you just blocked me didnt you? you really are stupid becuase you're the one who pmed and you are stubborn to the fact that I'm right and you have no literacy or proof of cloud tifa. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO NOW? block me again? report me? LOSER YOU GOT OWNED.
lol know that I look back at this I laugh at myself...I got too into it
sweatdrop but we are friends now
heart I have to dip into this conversation. It may be older, but its something that I can take head on and really want to. The CloTi fans must have a true representative.
Im analysing what youve written Pink, and most of it is a skewed, opinionated view. Ill start around where you started then. Cloud and Aeris, being put together because Aeris saw Zack in Cloud. That is a very true thing. There was no individual for her to like outside of that. Pretty much everything we saw in the game was Zack being imprinted on Cloud, which shows a lot as to why Aeris was attracted to him. Cloud didnt become himself again, which was a completely different person from the Zack oriented person we saw through most of the game, until after Aeris was gone. So what do you think Aeris wouldve done once Cloud became Cloud again?
Moving along, Tifa and Cloud in childhood. Sure, Tifa didnt have feelings for the little spiky haired kid we see, but Cloud sure as hell loved her. He would do anything to get her attention but avoided the other kids she hung around with. When she went off into a dangerous situation and her friends abandoned her, he stayed, and afterwards took the fall for the entire thing, being blamed and outcasted even more by the entire town. But he still remained affectionate of Tifa, even though him trying to help her led to himself being blamed for an act of evil by the entire town. Cloud then decided to join SOLDIER, because he wanted to prove himself to the town, that he wasnt a screwup. He also went so that he could impress Tifa. By calling her out there to the well that night, Cloud took a step a lot of people couldnt, and showed that he had feelings for her, and wanted to not be hated, as he believed he was. Tifa didnt know Cloud that well, but after they promised something, she became commited towards Cloud. Cloud was gone, but Tifa checked the papers everyday for the signs of her hero, but the newspapers wouldnt report anything on Cloud, who had failed to attain his true dream due to things he couldnt control, his weakness towards Mako.
Then came the Nibelham incident, where Sephiroth went crazy and took everything from Cloud. Well, Tifa hadnt been taken at the time, and Cloud was hovering over her, wishing she would come to from the slash she had taken from Sephiroth. Cloud had already ended Sephiroth, or so he thought, so his attention was immediately drawn to Tifa. Not his best friend who was lying ontop of a compressed Mako chamber, but Tifa. He got her out of the way and was doing what he could, which wasnt a whole lot he could do, to help her. Then Sephiroth came back out of Jenovas chamber and Cloud stood up to him face to face this time, and was nearly beaten, but succeded out of sheer willpower. Cloud then blacked out, and was taken away, with no knowledge of what happened to Tifa or Sephiroth, only that he was alive and Zack was next to him. 5 years passed with only those two knowing each others fate, and Cloud ended up in Midgar after the shooting of his friend, with no recolection of how he got there, or what had happened prior to that moment. And Tifa found him. Cloud had no idea that he thought she was dead. He was in a partial coma for the past 5 years. With no recollection of anything that had happened, I dont think its fair to accuse Cloud of believing Tifa was dead. He only knew that Nibelham was gone and Sephiroth was to blame.
Now, onto your examples from Advent Children. Cloud chose not to tell Tifa or express his sickness with her because he saw himself as too weak to do so. He wouldnt be able to help them in his condition. He saw it as he wasnt strong enough to save Aeris and Zack, so how could he protect those still there that he cared about. So he seperated himself, outcasted himself, which was something he always did from childhood. Cloud didnt want to burden anyone else with his sickness, so he secluded himself in the church, somewhere far away from everyone else that he was familiar with. He didnt pick up the phone for anyone, so that isnt a valid point. And when he speaks with Aeris' spirit, its because hes seeking forgiveness from her. He wants forgiveness for the failure to save her, as well as his failure to save Zack. Thats not something he can get from Tifa. He needed to hear it from Aeris. Cloud had an overall sense of failure because of her death. Not because he loved her, but because he wouldve taken her life himself, and then he watched helplessly as she died in front of his eyes.
Hmmm...Im done for the night. But thats a good start in on that. Chew it for a while, savor it. And Ill continue later.
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